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Controversy sections

Hello Francabicon, I note that you have added large controversy sections to articles. Please have a read of WP:CRITS, which discourages such sections as they may compromise the article's neutral point of view of the subject. While Wikipedia does not have a policy disallowing such sections, most controversial articles strive to integrate the materials into other sections; see for example Donald Trump or Republican Party (United States), which though full of controversies, lack such sections.

Per WP:DUE, such sections must also be featured with due weight and not half the entire article. Please strive to integrate such materials into existing sections in future. Do ping me for any assistance, of which I will be glad to assist. Seloloving (talk) 10:44, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

@Seloloving: Thank you for the notification for my edit and i will take noted on that but i had seen multiple scandals in the news regarding this party which leads me to add in large chucks of it. Maybe i might consider contributing to a new page regarding its controversies.I'm new to this page for please do notify me in the future if there is any case like this Thank You. Francabicon (talk) 16:00, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Controversy on Michael Reeves

Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living (or recently deceased) persons, as you did to Michael Reeves (Internet personality). HelixxUnderscore (talk) 06:05, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Dear Francabicon, another editor has also conveyed the same opinion I had, in regards to your 'controversy' sub-section on Michael Reeves. YouTube videos are generally considered to be unreliable for a primary source here on the Wikipedia, rather, YouTube videos are mainly mentioned to provide further context to what the section is about. A news paper article or general article would be a better option to include information but upon trying to find out info regarding this situation and Michael, I realized this is not even a controversy because if it was, at least one site would've made an entry regarding it. As of now no one has even spoken about it other than a meme entry on Reddit which too is unreliable. Further, this 'controversy' happened more than a year ago and not a single article has come out regarding it, which clearly conveys no controversial background behind it. I would suggest looking into the reliable sources guideline here on the Wikipedia(which is provided by the editor who reverted your edit on the page) and going through the requirements for discussing a controversy here on the Wikipedia. Kindly do not revert or undo the reversal until, it is discussed on its relevant talk page, wish you the best. Delta fiver (talk) (UTC) 07:31, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

@HelixxUnderscore: and @Delta fiver: Thanks for taking your time to write to my talk page and its great for us to discuss for any conflicts in edit to prevent misunderstanding. Now the reason why i sourced youtube videos is due to the video is being uploaded by Offlinetv and it did spark alot of comment down in their videos and micheal reeves himself didn't respond to the comment. After reading the controversy content guidelines I totally agree with your statement so i will not edit further and proceed with the changes.

That's great to hear!! wish you the best. Delta fiver (talk) (UTC) 17:59, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

UMNO & PAS

Will You ever Stop Using You "Sources" As propaganda against Umno and PAS ?. As Much I Don't like Both of them. Why don't write About Contraversy about Pakatan Harapan and It's Leaders. They are the Real Narcisist.42.188.87.96 (talk) 06:32, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@42.188.87.96: Hi there thanks for taking your time to write in to my talk page. Now hope you understand that my stands on being neutral means that i write things on what i see in the news and the news which is not owned by political parties like straitstimes, malaysiakini, freemalaysiatoday and NOT party owned news media like theStar,Utusan Malaysia, Harakah,The Rocket. If i want to be bias i could had already used political party owned newspaper from UMNO or Pakatan Harapan and that would already be a lot more controversies. If you got any Pakatan Harapan's Controversy sure list it here i can upload it right at Pakatan Harapan. Hope you do not have any misunderstanding as I'm just stating facts on the news. Thank You.

Dosen't matter, Your Target is to against PAS And UMNO. PH deserve to have Contraversy as well. Truth dosen't come by emotional. And Be remind MKini, FMT, Straits Stimes are still Pro PH as always. Never been Independent since they keep Lying post on What Right-wing do.42.188.87.96 (talk) 12:44, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm writing facts about what I've seen and why are you blatantly placing accusation on something without physical evidence that the independent news agency are siding with Pakatan Harapan. As far as i've seen the news agency had previously also criticize both PH and Barisan. For example during Pakatan Harapan government they had also stated how inexperience the government was and also they had also praise the current government for fighting the pandemic. Also they had stated that the current government had having double standards and praising Pakatan Harapan for standing up to the inequality. Hope you don't get offended on I'm writing.Also It doesn't make sense when you are accusing me for writing propaganda and it is ok for you to label be as totally against PAS and UMNO. Even CNA, and BBC are also calling out UMNO and PAS; Could you also say that they are siding with Pakatan Harapan? Like i said if there is one or many controversy of both Pakatan Harapan sure list it here i will write in Pakatan Harapan page. Don't just come here and start whining or nagging on Pakatan Harapan deserve its own controversy. I'm curious to know on what circumstances are you placing Pakatan Harapan as Narcisist I would like to know.

See, You keep Denial all blames to Umno. Your "Facts" was Based on PH Lies. CNA, BBC are just Listen to Pro Analyst Pakatan Harapan Suppoters, Claire Brown and few Others. They are Listen to Half of PH suppoters and Members only. Malaysiakini Owned by DAP suppoter as well. Im no problem writing on Contraversy but Please don't write Ideology That Some people Pissed off. Pejuang is not an Anti-Corruption but Old Man mahathir is The Real Narcisits Corruption.42.188.87.96 (talk) 08:38, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

So you are saying that political analysis from Australia and UK are all sided with PH. Also controversies is based on what they believe in also do you know that what ideology means.A system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy. What they do in politics is reflect to their ideologies

Nice Lying, There are some parts Aussies and UK are sided with PH. You know what, I think You Bias. Like i said, MKini and Few Others Still Support PH.45.121.38.64 (talk) 01:23, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

You can Put as the Contraversy on PAS but No need to Add Evil Ideology for that Purpose. These People from BBC and few more are Bias.45.121.38.64 (talk) 01:25, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

I have no words of your comment because it is vague and cliche.
Firstly you have no proof (or can't proof) of how or in what way that the independent news media are part of or siding with PH.
Second whatever political scientist or analyst, news agency that i've said are siding with PH if they just have said something against PH which by the way the independent news media had also posted videos of of criticizing speech of PH also. Here i can also say this The star has no relation to BN or MCA and very independent news media which can't be true right.
Thirdly Mahathir is indeed the real narcissist of this entire political field which is true but i doubt you did not read of Mahathir page on this controversies because what i wanted to say is written in there. So you want to write in there that he is a greedy bastard craving for power?
Fourthly where is the proof of ph controversies like since you said they did deserve its own controversy.
All you are providing to me are Very Vague Statements and Claims. I'm trying my best at finding reasons to agree with you on what should i write for its ideology sources but i really can't find one to convince myself that you are right. Francabicon(talk) 21:37, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

My best Awnser is : Are You Really Bias To UMNO And PAS only ?. 2nd, Proof ?. That's why Mkini, FMT and Few "Independent" Sources Don't Write Their Allies (PH) because they "Only" Criticise on UMNO and PAS. 3rd, Yes. Mahathir Should be Wrote about His Forex, BMN and Few Scandals. World Didn't see mahathir is a Biggest Crooks. 4th, The Star is Always a Pro to MCA. Neither They Wrote Contraversy or not. Always Pro To MCA. 5th, Yours are Super Vauge and Cliche. Even i Don't get what you said.180.75.44.183 (talk) 01:53, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Also My best Answer for you is also this:
- I see what i read in the news and more than 5 news agency reported it then it is a fact. If Umno and PAS have done the same thing multiple times then it is an ideology because you cannot do things when you don't believe in it. Also i can talk alot more if i wanted to like when ismail sabri yaakob called the 8 children road case saying that Malaysian the Chinese lady is the one shall be responsible which infact was the childrens fault for modifying their bicycle. Or the Naik Zakir who endorse muslim into terrorism is protected by umno and PAS. Or PAS trying pass down the huddud law also if I'm not wrong few of the members had ties with the mujaheddin force of Malaysia . Also the misbehavior of the Umno and Pas MPs within the parliament. The PAS and Umno rally of 2018 Anti ICERD Rally. With many more controversies.
- This is how i define independent just so you know: They ARE NOT funded by political parties also there are no evidence of it, They USE independent sources like from political analysis or reporters like Bridget Welsh, James Chin or Clare Rewcastle Brown. I'm surprised that you do claim they they are siding with PH just because they said things about 1mdb scandals or just Analyzing political grounds.
- Have Pakatan Harapan being racist? Have Pakatan Harapan tried to interfere with how people should live their life? Have Pakatan Harapan tried to introduce Huddud Law? Have Pakatan Harapan into corruption?
send me the sources i'll read it from there about mahathir controversies.
If i offended you in anyway i apologies in advance but i don't think it is right to just make claims that is very vague. I speak(or write) with sources and not with feelings or hatred which is the same as the court of law speak with evidence not with pure though or feelings. Francabicon(talk) 16:58, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

That is one of the most Ridicullus & Unlogical Things i ever heard. It cleary you still trust What Pakatan Harapan and Claire Brown the PH's Propaganda Britsh Suppoter said. PAS Is cleary have on Two Groups. One is Hadi and One is Nik Abduh. And yet Does People Gonna Trust the news from You Took ?. No ?. Look, If you love so much with PH. Nothing can Stop you writing but Stop Writing on Anti-Christian Issue or Jihad things on Ideology. PAS is not all like that. And about the Proof ?. Please go find it yourself. Why ask people like me to find.And You Saying Zakir naik is a Terorrist right ?. These People are Liers. They accuse him but in reality they don't stand the truth what he said. Additional Information, Why Don't write YB Kula and YB Ramasamy who Are LTTE Terrorist Suppoters ?. Don't be an Hypocrite ok.180.75.44.183 (talk) 16:20, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Look, I don't want to Argue A lot but im actually came here to deliver the Message. Your Logic Really makes no Sense. Bridget Welsh, James Chin and Clare Brown are all PH Informat. Why don't take An Example of Kula Segaran, Ramasamy, Ex Adun Gadek, Adun Seremban Jaya who support LTTE ?. Khalid Samad's New Wife, Nga Kor Ming Racist comment ?, Shafie Apdal's Corruptions, PH first 100 days's Promise. These Things are Real Contraversies and Don't be Lazy to Find What PH didn't have Contraversies. Ismail Sabri is Another Pawns of PN/PH, i don't care who is he

and Still PH Always Funded These "Independents" because many of them were Members of PH & PN. Another Example of Agenda Daily, Otai & Mkini. They Both are same to hide their secrets. One more thing, Why don't write about Zeti & Her husband's Corruption as well ?.180.75.44.183 (talk) 16:36, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

First, I didn't say Zakir Naik is a terrorist i said "endorsing terrorism" and not "being a terrorist" there is a difference on what i'm saying so don't put words into my mouth. Also you can't even proof that those political analysis are PH informant you can't just say that they are attacking UMNO and PAS with real facts and information. Also regarding the factions that you said within PAS, I'll ask you one question if you are in a company and there is a mistake being made will be customer blame the entire company or just the employee who made the mistake and that is the same thing within the political parties the people will blame the entire action on the party and NOT Factions within the party.Also how many times do i have to repeat I DO NOT SIDE WITH ANY COALITION OR POLITICAL PARTIES and like i said their actions reflect to ideology in what they believe in. Also PAS themselves has pass down huddud law and it affected Christians. Oh i've had forgotten one more thing that is Hadi Awang Himself had face Seditious Remarks against Christians https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2021/01/29/hadi-awang-applies-to-strike-out-suit-over-alleged-seditious-remark-against/1945228Well there is extensive research by the yusof ishak institute shown then in terrorist organization that PAS members are fairly involved in it.OK now in PH controversies :
- There is insufficient evidence about it and tried to write about it 4 years ago.
- Khalid Samad's New Wife i don't know what is this
- This has written into Ngar Kor Ming page (If you had read it)
- not guilty all and case drop already so I'm not sure how can that be on a controversy if it can be written down sure let me know https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2018/08/28/insufficient-evidence-so-rm1-5bil-corruption-case-against-shafie-dropped
- This is written in their administration period and not controversies
- Zeti is still under trial so how can i write it.
One more thing ya is it's not "Contraversies" but "Controversies", it's not "Ridicullus" but "Ridiculous", it's not "Unlogical" but "illogical". Also i mean no harm and I'm neither arguing nor wanting to find trouble but this is a debate and not who's right or who's wrong so hope you understand from your side is just that something you disagree with me then write here and talk about it. Best wishes and happy new year! Francabicon(talk) 15:03, 03 January 2022 (UTC)

So, What's the Diffrent You Talk Zeti Under Investigation while You wrote Very Quickly on najib. And Zakir Naik "Endorsing Terroist" is Western Propaganda News. Calling me a nothing Proof ?, dude. You Really also Nothing Proof as well. You said you don't side with PH but insist you write DAP is Anti-Communist. That Means you trying to Cover up what DAP Hiding for. Plus, Why don't write Lim Kit Siang who Didn't made his Promise to retire Politics if Mahathir didn't give to anwar. That's pretty contraversy as well.180.75.44.183 (talk) 15:23, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Well I don't what you are talking about Najib has over 20 case on his hands and the sentence has been pass down already that means i can write it. The reason i wrote about DAP being Anti Communist because the EX Communist leader CD ABDULAH said it himself and I write what i see about it. Also don't forget DAP's predecessor is People's Action Party or Malaysian Forum before Singapore got kicked out which don't forget participated malayan emergency against the communist also because i wrote that because they are really anti communist not by the umno and pas propaganda.proof:
- https://mynewshub.tv/politik/kit-siang-bengang-grafik-beliau-ala-komunis/
- http://alamijiwaparadox.blogspot.com/2015/09/cina-sendiri-mengaku-bahawa-lim-kit.html
- https://www.agendadaily.com/politik/setiausaha-pas-selangor-kata-syor-kit-siang-mungkin-cara-komunis/
Now i didn't see on any news on Lim Kit Siang saying he will retire any time soon. Sure let me do research on that maybe there is something i can write about that but still doesn't count as a controversial statement as that is not something that can bring the nation by storm like misbehavior or treason acts. About Zakir Naik I didn't write about it but not enough evidence also i didn't write it like i said if i'm really bias to umno or pas and siding with PH i would literally write it down.
I can also proof that utusan malaysia is funded by umno https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utusan_Malaysia also write racist remark about the chinese. Francabicon(talk) 20:55, 04 January 2022 (UTC)

Nice Touch, Still you use one of your "Lies" ahead. Cause You can't admit you only trust the Sources was made by PH And It's Propaganda. If you want to believe it fine, But don't need to write Ideology as your personnel thoughts. Zeti Under Trial ?, dude really ?. you put najib first even on trial as well. And Saying UMNO remarks racist ?. Why don't Write DAP also make Biggest Contraversis like Nga Kor Ming called Mentalic Black on Zambry ?. Anyway, Good Luck with your Logics.180.75.255.69 (talk) 04:16, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

There is a different between on trial and on appeal trial. As far as I'm concern the sentence has been passed downed regardless of whether it has been appealed or not. Also define what you mean by "Lies" and as for now I've given you valid facts with evidence showing it but i never seen your argument with your evidence. Personal though??? I don't think so have you search on the very core of meaning of the word ideologies "a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.". Do you act upon something you don't believe in right?.
I didn't say for once umno is racist. If everything seems nice touch in your eyes for me to go against umno or pas why not show your argument that hasn't been written as controversy about PH also Ngar kok meng facts has been written it into controversies. You argued that i've nothing to proof of my facts and when I've shown valid evidence you said I'm painting umno and pas a black picture with a "nice touch of lies". I do not really know what you really want? Logics??? really??? it is constructive argument. I don't use logic to write stuff i wrote with valid facts even as we speak. Really enjoy these arguments come on then show me what you can prove. Francabicon(talk) 15:21, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Dude, You can't even prove PAS is Anti-Christian Setiment. Those are Propaganda. Listen, Stop Attack PAS as your Propaganda. Your Facts Based on PH's "Articles".180.75.255.69 (talk) 15:01, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

All just empty, vague accusations without concrete evidence. Are they funded by PH? Are they proven to be biased? According to you, everything negative about umno and pas is all propaganda did you ever read the news or you are just clouded by the ideology that you are based upon.From time to time showing you valid evidence you had shown me none. PAS leader Hadi awang has been sued for seditious remarks against Christians if the leader himself has provided such remarks don't you think the entire underlings within the party will be influence by his remarks. Every factor I've proven to you about umno and pas wrongdoings you either cherry picked or ignored outright. I really don't want to say this but get the narcissist, naive and childish attitude out of your mind and start proving me some facts that you claim is propaganda. Francabicon(talk) 15:21, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

This is one of the most Propaganda things i ever heard. Yeah, you claimed you not PH Suppoter but you still Didn't wrote any bad side of PH and always hate Umno and PAS. Sarawak Report will always be PH's Propaganda Tools and You just don't want to admit Zeti is the real thief.180.75.255.69 (talk) 02:45, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Is is really propaganda or you just being too bias? Why you keep things so vague when you want to challenge the statement that I brought up.I'm wondering do you actually have the evidence to backup your facts or it is your bias to UMNO that makes you cherry pick my statement to challenge. Like I said independent news media that i used for my reference doesn't have any foul-play or political funding to fuel a biasses that you claim. The truth is what the news had written not you or me or the political parties propaganda funded news agency. I can already tell that you are siding from umno.well i can say the same for someone who is not said not siding with pas had tried to remove statements that is negative about umno and pas. Francabicon(talk) 01:24, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Nice Propaganda You have, Dude You Really need to stop Listen to Malaysiakini and Any PH Sources. Don't try to cover up your Logic. You really a Bias to umno. If Umno is a Facist ?, they what about DAP ?. Also, You can Rewrote about PAS. They are not worth anymore.180.75.46.87 (talk) 15:48, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

All i heard is non backup evidence from you. Then why should i believe you where you can't even backup your statement? Is it really propaganda or just your own bias and sentimental views that make you believe that UMNO or PAS are the answer to Malaysia Political Stability.

Do you believe that Pandora papers, Zakir Naik's statement, najib corruption, 51% bumi policy or 355 act amendment action is all a lie just to smear UMNO and PAS.

I'm not sure I'm getting you on what is propaganda. They aren't Logics they are facts with valid evidence. I'll take an example just so you make you realise that you make more logic than evidence ok:

- You say dap member ngar kok meng have blood relation to communist leader chin peng and so you claim the entire DAP is communist but when i say PAS member nik abduh has a mujahideen malaysia terrorist organisation member which is his brother you said is propaganda.

- When i say Sarawak News reported about najib tun razak corruption you say it is PH propaganda but when i said umno funded news paper written such racist remarks on the chinese you said nothing about it.

- Oh ya regarding the funding of news reports I said there is no evidence of PH funding Mkini or Free Malaysia Today to write those news and you also claim that it is propaganda but when i said about UMNO funded multiple news paper you go quiet.

- Lets talk about Zakir Naik when i said that he endorsing terrorist you claim that is the news is smearing him but does your views apply to same person Bridget Welsh, James Chin and Clare Brown that they are siding with PH.

If you want to claim i'm using logic at least prove me wrong. Facism had proven by researchers and PAS had wahhabism and islamofacism tendies, Umno also have malay facism tendencies. There is no shred of truth behind your claims and utterly preposterous.

I don't think that you really read alot of news these days. I read countless news from various source from aljazeera, TRT to europe news network like DW and france24 or central asian news like hindustan times to local Malaysian news. If i were being bias i can literally make good use of news funded by PH like UBAH TV or TAIPING KINITV or RoketKini. Are you really just one of those social media people like you want to claim that everything in the news is really fake news like Donald Trump favourite line. Francabicon (talk) 18:51, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Nice Try, You still can't Deny MalaysiaKini and Many of your "Sources" is fake news. And you really a clinton suppoter by calling people a Trump Suppoter ?. Dude, Stop Deny That PH is keeping the lies. you only read the news from Leftiest Suppoter.180.75.47.183 (talk) 08:26, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

You still didn't answer anything to my question why you still claim that I'm a PH supporter without evidence. I throw you may facts and evidence and you showed me non and you are just coming with facts that you claim to believe with no physical apparent physical evidence. I hope that you can read the line carefully as I didn't call you a trump supporter I said "you want to claim that everything in the news is really fake news like Donald Trump's favourite line" doesn't mean i call you a trump supporter unless you are claiming you are one then I have no idea. I didn't TRY to prove you wrong because i already had the factual evidence but instead I had already proven you wrong.

By the way, what is there to prove whether MalaysiaKini and Many of my "Sources" are fake news when they are clearly writing independently with no funding by PH. If you can instantly prove that they are funded by PH i will stop using their sources. simple as that. Also why you keep ignore the all the statement and facts that I've challenge you.You keep skip when ask you if anything going against Umno is is really called bias. Are you not trying to keep the UMNO's Lies. Moreover, I don't remember TRT and Aljazzera are Leftist.

Aren't you the one cherry picking the facts that you've liked and ignored everything that is negative. Francabicon (talk) 09:21, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Frabby, Seriously You making a Propaganda here. I know you a PH Suppoter. It seems you only Target is UMNO, PAS and PPBM. Not Any Leftist Party. Don't Deny it Francabicon.180.75.47.183 (talk) 10:54, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Well that is what you claim without factual evidence. I don't take advice from a person who cannot even answer the simplest question that I've stated above. Here i can even say that you a Far Right support of Islamic Extremism. Now do you like it? also what is wrong with you people only know how to win a conversation with insults without actual facts. Francabicon (talk) 08:26, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Well well well, You keep Deny and Still That's a Propaganda from Your Beloved Page Malaysiakini. Frab, Admit You a PH Suppoter. I just give you a Simple Awnser and still You deny it. Frab Frab, ICERD And Sheraton Move is not Contraversies. Pakatan Harapan Is the real Contraversies. Lol, you said you don't take advice from people huh. You also Insult Malays and Muslim by Putting the Propaganda.180.75.47.183 (talk) 09:59, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Huh.... What are you saying, dude try to fixed your english before you start commenting lol..... first advise and lessons have very different meanings read the line carefully Again. Next it is not Contraversies but Controversies... Also the meaning of that word is "The act or practice of engaging in such disputes.".

I insulted Muslim and Malays? Well i wonder where you got that conclusion? Are you really a narcissist that claims using your logic. Well like i said PROVE PH is funding MalaysiaKini and I'll stop using its sources. Francabicon (talk) 13:18, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Dude, You wrote the contraversy was actually an insult. don't need to spin like you don't know. and also, just admit you don't like umno. PROVE dosen't mean you right Frab.180.75.47.183 (talk) 14:34, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Look, You really need to move forward on and you really 10x worst english than i am. still you wrote 2 or 3 times like a mad person.180.75.47.183 (talk) 14:39, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Look who is the mad man here.... XD you really think that I'm mad.... Oh boy you are really one of a kind. Just to let you know I'm enjoying every moment of your responds also it brings much joy to me to see how your intelligence is down to the ground with your terrible english. I don't write 2 to 3 times but instead i wrote over dozen of times to prove how wrong are you. If you go to court and you tell the judge PROVE doesn't mean you right you will see how the judge will respond to your statement. You repeated more than 10 times of the word "propaganda" and 5 times of "nice lying" or "nice propaganda". Who is the mad man here. Also my name is Francabicon Franc please call me Mr Franc or Franc. Really fix your English my man. Nevermind look here:

Wrong spelling:

"Dude, You wrote the contraversy was actually an insult. don't need to spin like you don't know. and also, just admit you don't like umno. PROVE dosen't mean you right Frab.180.75.47.183 (talk) 14:34, 25 March 2022 (UTC)"

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"Dude, You wrote the controversy was actually an insult. don't need to spin like you don't know. and also, just admit you don't like umno. PROVE doesn't mean you right Frab.180.75.47.183 (talk) 14:34, 25 March 2022 (UTC)" Francabicon (talk) 12:08, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Wow, love how your spin and insult me 360° degree. Keep talking abt your lies. You can't win with your beloved Political page Mkini. Im done talking to you. Why don't bother PAS. They are way more Contraveries than UMNO. It's weired Frabby always use her logic. And 2x writing like she's a god. Tsk tsk tsk. Im not coming back to talk. We done. And don't say another word and stop touching UMNO page.180.75.47.183 (talk) 15:20, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Another Thing, Rather Forcing me to find PH Prove. Why don't you do it Yourself then. Don't be a lazy girl. You wrote longer and still The fact is UMNO didn't make contraversial about Icerd Rally and Shraton Move wasn't part on UMNO. Your Spread haterd toward umno about Icerd rally because you hate Bumiputra Rights. Ah no wonder. Miss, i assume you an Outsider. Not a malaysia. You need to stop Writing about UMNO's Fault ?. Why not Shafie Apdal's Corruption ?, he's an Ex UMNO as well. Remove the mindset of Contraversial thing. These aren't gonna work. Even you wrote much anything you hate them. They will remove your edits. Like User Amin Muhammad did.180.75.47.183 (talk) 15:31, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

First Amin Noor had its nearly been banned also he had multiple account too from editing umno and pas page for removing other editors facts. Second, I did multiple research to prove that my source aren't some political backed news agency so what is there to proof. Well unless you had some evidence then well prove it then I'll stop using but you can't prove it can you.

well i even research its company from the government website it match with their about page what is there to prove:https://shrekis.life/INHILC

Third sure Shafie Apdal corruption case sure that can be written in there didn't that case was found not guilty but ok sure that will be written. Speaking about Amin Muhammed, are you like him some Malay dude with a strong sense of Malay pride that shame people who talks negatively about Malay centric parties by removing it and asking people to ban that particular user then got proven that they had indeed abuse other users then when on quiet for a few months and return like nothing had ever happen.hmm very familiar huh???

I don't need to insult you mate its already game over for you. You lost from the very start by insulting me first. You did more cherry picking than the farmers in Big Fella Cherries in Australia. So much ignorance and skip through every single question thrown to you. Also stop hiding the fact that you are indeed being bias to UMNO. Nvm sure come prove to me whether my facts are wrong. Francabicon (talk) 16:09, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Wow, nice insult you have. Oh Miss Cherry Blossom. Why should i bother you talking about facts. See for yourself. Denial Person. Ignorance ?, it was you who keep repeat the same contraversial things in your head. Lost ?, Hahahahaha. That's the Biggest Funny i ever heard. You really a comedian Blossom. It the truth you are one of the "Malay Haters" and never seen you wrote Contraversial thing about DAP and PKR. Weirdo.180.75.47.183 (talk) 16:24, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Just wanted to say that Mkini is an actual news site and can be used as a source on Wikipedia. In fact, it's used on plenty of Malaysian Wiki pages. It's also unacceptable to attack other contributors on Wikipedia and make assumptions about their motivations, so I hope both of you will stop. Sisuvia (talk) 15:56, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Sisukia, look i had no means to insult others and i do not want to insult others as i wasn't here to do this. But i don't like people just came out all of a sudden to just to claim my contribution is fake without evidence and I've just ask the person to prove it and if he roves it I'll stop using it and perhaps find other news sources. Francabicon (talk) 16:16, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

You Kidding me right, Even it's real news. problem is ICERED Rally and Sheraton Move have nothing Contravesies about UMNO. Mkini sometime they are targeting BN but never Pakatan harapan. More like PH's Support. User Amin Noor Muhammad himself even revent what user Fracabicon did. What he really need is to stop writing contraversy on UMNO. Be Rational.180.75.47.183 (talk) 07:57, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

I really don't care what you or Francabicon think about ICERD and Sheraton in relation to UMNO.

Malaysiakini is a legitimate news source, end of story. It does not target Barisan Nasionl but if you think it does and that it shouldn't be used on Wikipedia? Go ahead and bring the matter to an administrator or something instead of insulting/fighting another Wikipedia contributor. Sisuvia (talk) 12:08, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't wanna fight anymore. But please no writing about Contraversial things. Individu is Fine.180.75.47.183 (talk) 08:00, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Firstly User Amin Noor Muhammad had been called out by other users and not just me alone in an ANI discussion for vandalizing articles made by other users and speedy removal of many of other users work for multiple article nearly got banned wikipedia entirely. So i don't see why you bring him up for. I don't write those two controversies because without evidence. UMNO had participated the event is not like they weren't there. UMNO was also seen joining in the Sheraton move. If those things weren't participated by UMNO then i wouldn't write it at all. News speaks on events and not on whether this should be bias or not in the first place. If you probably think that i wrote with feelings well you are certainly wrong. I see what i write if there controversies about muda or dap or some other parties of PH then i would write it but i didn't see it. Francabicon (talk) 03:48, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Also i want to clarify that i don't mind being wrong about something because people makes mistake and improvement can learned from mistakes but name calling or being called a racist bias person does not automatically prove that someone is wrong about something or anything at all.You clearly don't understand the meaning of propaganda and pure real news. Propaganda write fake events with fake statements and real news tells real event with real statements. Francabicon (talk) 04:07, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Don't mind being wrong !?!?... what are you a comedian. Amin Noor Wasn't wrong but What you did is Really slandering The party. It was BERSATU Plan's not UMNO. News and Evidence sometime cannot be Trusted as well. You just bring it into yourself to Lied What MKini and most of them said. You always a Bias Person no matter what. Double standard when you don't even dare to write about PH's Controversial.115.135.198.174 (talk) 14:08, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Am I lying or is it your pure bias to UMNO that clouded your vision of what is right and what is wrong. Also did you even read the reference before removing. Well i placed more than 2 reference and they couldn't be wrong that they have participated in the event.Participation and collaborating means that they are part of the event regardless they plan it or not. Double standard? well prove to me one controversy of PH then sure i'll write it. Also i never wrote about BN.

Also please elaborate How does Anti-Icerd Rally not controversial.

Do you even know what ICERD is? Have you even read the report of researchers proven that how ICERD won't affect anything on the country of Malaysia and in fact boost its credibility of getting more foreign investment?

Did you know that comedian is one of the smartest people out there? Francabicon (talk) 06:27, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Have you ever know Comedians are the now the dumbest people in the world because of their Comedy Politics nowdays. And Do you know What ICERD REALLY MEAN ?. I mean Really Really mean. Icerd is a act to remove Every Rights that Against Bumiputra rights and funny You Beloved Friend Israel and USA Never Signed the Act. Don't say im a Bumiputra Suppoter but Anti-ICERD Rally is Never a Controversial.115.135.198.174 (talk) 07:33, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

So LTSV 48 or who ever you are... First do more research as Bumiputera rights has no single affect once this is signed. Second comedians did more research than you did on what those umno and pas false information that they are feeding to you. Also why don't you respond to @Sisuvia answer regarding the sources.I don't care you are a Bumiputera supporter or not because you can have your views regarding this but my view is so long as they are at the event participating then they are part of it. Anti ICERD is controversial in my eyes and so does the Sheraton move. Francabicon (talk) 11:02, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

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Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at United Malays National Organisation, you may be blocked from editing. Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 23:34, 26 March 2022 (UTC) Hi Vif12vf I've already add sources to the content list already. I though that linking it to the main article can be considered as a source. Thanks for your notification. Thank You.Francabicon (talk) 07:10, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Hi Tofusaurus, I'm well aware of the matter but the main problem that is i've already place the sources linking to the main article. Claiming it fake and remove the my contribution its not a best way at all.Hope you understand I'm new to this Wikipedia editing space. I've tried to make on to the talk page of the pages but no one reponded.As I'm not sure how to even dispute resolution,Requests for page protection or go to appropriate noticeboard i do not even know that was an option.Thank you. Francabicon (talk) 07:52, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at United Malays National Organisation, you may be blocked from editing. Personal controversies are not by default a party issue. Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 13:29, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

@Vif12vf: Well i hope that you can speak in a very polite manner because being civilized can resolve multiple problems. As for your statement and claims of having disrupting editing behavior, may i remind you that I've specifically remind you to create a talk page on this matter of above to reach a agreement for what it has been edited in it. Even if i did concede with you by removing those what you claim as "disruptive" you are still holding grudges against me on this matter above. Like I said I do things rationally with rational thinking. Those people are party members and they are leaders of those party and such statements they made can be considered aligning with party ideologies. Also may i remind you that other editors had agreed or aligned with me on this matter. However do feel free to let me know on why you think it is not parties controversies so if i agree with it you i will stop it.

Now as for the ANI discussion you have all the right to create a ANI discussion against me but if the admins ask me to stop doing it then I will but as for now public opinions are agreeing to my edit. So the statement that I and other editors make shall not be removed as it had consist of other people's hard work. Francabicon (talk) 03:28, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Nik Omar Nik Abdul Aziz

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It has been replied thank you. Francabicon (talk) 05:24, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

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