User talk:Forsblot

August 2020

Hello, I'm Largoplazo. I noticed that you recently removed content from Jim Shockey without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Largoplazo (talk) 23:18, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I work for Jim Shockey and represent him on Wikipedia. We'd like to change the information about him on Wikipedia to focus more on his Hand of Man museum which he owns. Can you put back those changes I made? THanks. Forsblot (talk) 22:35, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but no. A Wikipedia article isn't an outreach or publicity vehicle for the article's subject and doesn't serve as a reflection of how the subject would like to be portrayed. That extends to not deleting legitimate content posted by others in favor of the subject's preferred focus. Largoplazo (talk) 00:59, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can I rearrange and add headings while keeping the existing content? Forsblot (talk) 17:15, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your best bet is to propose changes here on the talk page and ask for feedback and assistance in having edits made for you. See WP:COIEDIT for guidance. Largoplazo (talk) 17:27, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I would like to add the following headings, this is all factual information that is missing from the current site.

The “HAND OF MAN” Museum

An avid and active collector of Tribal and Ethnocentric Folk Artforms, Shockey has created and curated the 17,000-square-foot, critically acclaimed "HAND OF MAN" Museum of Natural History, Cultural Arts and Conservation to house his extensive and varied collections. He enjoys spending time at the museum curating new installations and visiting with the more than 26,000 visitors that attend the museum each year. His collections have appeared several times in publications such as Country Living magazine, Western Living magazine and Century Home magazine.

Music

Music is a mainstay in the Shockey household. Louise is an award-winning accomplished singer, and their son Branlin has written and recorded many original songs. Jim has a Number One iTunes Blues Chart topping song to his credit, Howl With Me.

Family

Shockey married his soulmate, Louise, who was an actress, in 1984 and the couple has two children. Branlin (writer/producer) and Eva Shockey (lifestyle influencer) and four grandchildren. The Shockeys embrace and live a healthy "Field to Table" organic lifestyle and both feel the most important thing in their life is family. They live on a 70-acre lakeshore farm in the "Warm Land" Cowichan Valley on Vancouver Island, where Shockey provides wild game meat for the table and grows their vegetables in their extensive garden. The fruit they eat comes from their own orchard and they bottle their own "Shockey Reserve" wine from their vineyard. Shockey divides his time between their farm home on Vancouver Island, their 2200-acre ranch in Saskatchewan, and their 7.5 million acre "Rogue River" Outfitting Territory located in the remotest (bush plane access only) reaches of Canada's Yukon Territory. During the winter months, he spends time at their lakeside home in Pinehurst, North Carolina located within the boundaries of the Country Club of North Carolina, where both he and Louise are members. An avid golfer, playing to a single-digit handicap, Shockey enjoys all outdoor activities and keeps himself in top physical shape, He enjoys hikes/walks and barring health issues, averages 11,500-12,500 steps every single day of the year. They enjoy wildlife viewing and bird watching, living this one life we are all granted, fully, completely, and with zero regrets. After traveling up to 306 days a year around this amazing world, for the last 40 years, Shockey now enjoys sitting at his computer (wherever he happens to be) and writing novels. His first CALL ME HUNTER will be released by Simon and Shuster in October of 2023, with a projected first run of 100,000-125,000 copies. Forsblot (talk) 18:13, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not offering to post this to the article myself, based on our conversation here. As explained at WP:COIEDIT, you need to post your request on the article's talk page with a suitable heading like "COI proposal for inclusion" and a {{requested edit}} tag.

What you've written is a good illustration of the reasons for the COI guidelines. You've written this as a personal bio in point-of-view style, a style suitable for a magazine or as the "about the author" under an article or book that he might write, but unsuited for a neutral encyclopedia. "He enjoys spending time at the museum"—well, that's subjective and unverifiable. There isn't exactly an objective way to verify that a person enjoys a given activity. "Shockey married his soulmate"—this isn't encyclopedic language. Re "both feel the most important thing in their life is family", it's inappropriate to use an article to channel the feelings of the subject and others close to him, to concentrate on what they like and enjoy. The focus should be on substantive matters, not fluff. A Wikipedia article isn't a vehicle through which the subject presents himself. It's to be written from a neutral, third-party point of view.

You'd be improving your chances by taking my advice into account and writing this in encyclopedic tone, restricting it to facts observable by others. Otherwise, at best there may be editors who take the facts underlying your content and write it up in their own way, but the language above won't be going, as is, into the article. Largoplazo (talk) 20:04, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, makes sense.

Thanks. Forsblot (talk) 20:17, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So I went to the 'talk' section of Jim Shockey and added a section called 'The Hand of Man Museum'. I only left facts in the paragraph. Did I do this correctly? Forsblot (talk) 22:36, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The text you posted looks pretty good. However, you gave no indication, such as discussed at WP:COIEDIT (or, if that link doesn't take you to the correct section of the page WP:Conflict of interest#COI editing), of your purpose in posting it there. The idea is to identify yourself as having a COI who understands that it's best not to edit the article himself, and that you're proposing the content for addition to the article. You can also, as I've mentioned before, place a {{requested edit}} tag in front of it. Largoplazo (talk) 03:00, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, got it. Thanks. I sent a new one with the request edit information. Let me know if that works Ok. Thanks again. Forsblot (talk) 17:38, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Updates to Jim Shockey

It would be fine to add the latest information on the museum, but all the info in the article needs to retain its sources, even if re-worded. LizardJr8 (talk) 20:37, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, Forsblot. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Jim Shockey, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

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In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Largoplazo (talk) 21:27, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit summary "We would like to change the focus of Jim Shockeys information to his conservation work and the museum he owns" gives the impression that you have a sense of ownership over the article, that you have a sense that your vision overrides the collaborative nature of Wikipedia with respect to each article. See WP:Ownership of content. Largoplazo (talk) 21:32, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Shared accounts

Is there more than one person who logs in under and contributes under this account? If so, you're operating in violation of the user account policy. The possibility of this is suggested by your edit summaries "We would like to change the focus of Jim Shockeys information to his conservation work and the museum he owns" and, earlier, "We've removed some content and added info on the Hand of Man musuem". See WP:NOSHARING. Largoplazo (talk) 21:36, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am the representative for Jim Shockey. Forsblot (talk) 23:15, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I work for Jim Shockey and have been tasked with updating and cleaning up his Wikepedia page. Is there something I need to do? I am the ONLY person who has access to this page. Forsblot (talk) 20:59, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to add this heading to the top of JIm Shockeys Wikipedia page. I work for Jim and represent him on this. It would be a conflict of interest for him to add/remove content. I kept this all to the facts.

The “HAND OF MAN” Museum

An avid and active collector of Tribal and Ethnocentric Folk Artforms, Shockey has created and curated the 17,000-square-foot, "HAND OF MAN" Museum of Natural History, Cultural Arts and Conservation to house his extensive and varied collections. In 2022, over 26,000 visitors visited Hand of Man. His collections have appeared in publications such as Country Living magazine, Western Living magazine and Century Home magazine.

Family

Shockey is married to Louise Shockey in 1984 and the couple has two children. Branlin (writer/producer) and Eva Shockey (lifestyle influencer) and four grandchildren. They live on a 70-acre lakeshore farm in the Cowichan Valley on Vancouver Island. Shockey divides his time between their farm home on Vancouver Island, their 2200-acre ranch in Saskatchewan, and their 7.5 million acre "Rogue River" Outfitting Territory located in the Canada's Yukon Territory.

After traveling up to 306 days a year around, for the last 40 years, Shockey now enjoys sitting at his computer (wherever he happens to be) and writing novels. His first CALL ME HUNTER will be released by Simon and Shuster in October of 2023, with a projected first run of 100,000-125,000 copies. Forsblot (talk) 21:39, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]