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I'll try deleting AWB entirely and installing a fresh new version. - FakirNL (talk) 19:51, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

You can download the latest working version from http://toolserver.org/~awb/snapshots/ -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:59, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

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putin regime - "mafia state" anachronism

[1] hi i want to get more people to discuss the mafia state anachronism so to get some real multi user consensus, what is your opinion and please tell us at the given wikipedia talkpage link Peterzor (talk) 19:00, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Please note that the only change I made to the article Vladimir Putin was a technical one, I fixed a link from a disambiguation page to the correct page. Please keep that difference in mind. - FakirNL (talk) 20:09, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

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Look at the article's talk page to see why I objected to this deletion proposal. - FakirNL (talk) 15:17, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Medals

Hello.

Regarding your revert of my edit on 2012–13 ISU Speed Skating World Cup. Sure, the athletes win a full medal, as there are no half-gold half-silver medals, but how does it count in the statistics? If you have a shared gold medal, it's obviously less worth than one that's been won outright, as you didn't beat all your competitors; you tied with at least one. Likewise, shared silver and bronze medals are less worth than medals won outright.

In country statistics, countries could, at least theoretically (and depending on sport), manipulate the medal table by letting two (or more) leading competitors of the same nationality share first place, thus obtaining two (or more) gold medals for the country, instead of one gold and one silver.

Do you have a source for the medal table?

Regards

HandsomeFella (talk) 09:32, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi,

Shared medals have always counted the same way as non-shared ones as far as I remember. Maybe you think it's worth less, but that's probably not the deciding factor. I see what you mean by manipulating the medal table but in speed skating that would be incredibly hard to do on purpose! Trying to skate a time of (let's say) exactly 1:45.67(8) is practically impossible. Of course in other sports it might be slightly easier, especially those sports where you set a bar then aim for it and then either pass or fail (pole vault and high jump).

When you look at 2012 Summer Olympics medal table you'll find two shared silver medals and even a three-way shared bronze medal that are all counted as full. In 302 events a total of 304 silver medals were won. It's not really a source claiming it should be done this way but at least you'll see it's common practice to count shared medals as full ones. I had never seen shared medals counted as half ones before.

It seems strange that there is no article medal table yet and the most general article about the subject, Olympic medal table doesn't mention shared medals.

P.S. I have never heard anyone being referred to as "shared Olympic champion" or "shared Nobel Prize winner".

With kinds regards, - FakirNL (talk) 10:33, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi.

Yes, of course it would be hard manipulate the result in sports like speed skating (that's why I wrote "theoretically"), but it might occur even without manipulation (which it did here). Would it be fair or correct to count that as two gold (or silver or bronze) medals for the country? I think not. This is more important in the lower parts of the medal table. Let's say that Country 1 only manages to achieve one 1st place and one 2nd place in one sport, and that Country 2 only managed to have 2 athletes sharing 1st place in another sport. In both cases, the countries' athletes had no competitors in front of them, and the rest of the field behind them. Would it be fair to say then that Country 1 took 1 gold and 1 silver medal, while Country 2 took 2 gold medals, just because the athletes of Country 2 happened to have the same result? In relation to the rest of the field, the countries' performances were identical.

In the case of the ISU World Cup, the prize money for shared places "will be the average amounts for the applicable ranking positions", i.e. two winners divide the sum of the prize money for the first two places evenly between themselves (according to the source, page 10), so it's perfectly plausible thath they think of medals the same way. That's why I asked if you had any source for the medal table. I haven't been able to locate one.

One might not say "shared Olympic champion" (or Nobel Prize winner), but one can definitely say "joint Olympic champion".

HandsomeFella (talk) 13:15, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Try googling "joint Olympic champion", I hardly get any results. The prize money for shared places might be averaged, but maybe that's just because of monetary constraints? And your argument is easily countered by noting that in case of a tie both skaters get full points and a full physical medal (and isn't this last thing what really counts?). Whether you or I think it's fair is totally not relevant. I think jury sports are unfair but that doesn't change the way the ISU or IOC see them.

In my home Wiki, the Dutch version, there is a page called Wikipedia:Sports Cafe that is used as the village pump for sports related discussions. Do you know of such a place here on the English Wikipedia? Might be interesting to have some more opinions about this subject. - FakirNL (talk) 13:33, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the points might indicate otherwise. When it comes to the physical medal, that might be explained by the fact that it would probably be a little weird with half-gold half-silver medals. It would also be hard to make plans for how many that would need to be manufactured.

Cheers. HandsomeFella (talk) 13:55, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

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World Cup 1

Hello Fakir.

Thanks for the fixes and corrections you've made to the 2013–14 ISU Speed Skating World Cup.

The World Cup commences next weekend, with World Cup 1 in Calgary. Due to an upcoming family occasion, also the next weekend, I might not be able to keep the articles up to date resultwise. I assume you will update the articles in the Dutch wiki. Would you also be able to help out in the English ones, if you notice that I'm unable to find time for it?

Thanks in advance.

HandsomeFella (talk) 11:06, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye on the main article (2013–14 ISU Speed Skating World Cup – World Cup 1), but I'm not sure about all the other race articles in Category:2013–14 ISU Speed Skating World Cup – World Cup 1. It's a lot of work and you knew it was going to be when you prepared all the pages. - FakirNL (talk) 12:43, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. Thanks anyway. HandsomeFella (talk) 15:09, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

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Hello, thanks for editing Fritessaus, and pointing out why. Could you please take a look at the Remia-article I just created? I do not want it to be deleted because someone considers it "more as an advertisement." Best regards,Jeff5102 (talk) 12:10, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

I think it's okay, we'll see whether other people disagree. - FakirNL (talk) 15:12, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

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Re: my observation about the group winners in "Talk"--I ran it past Google News before I wrote that, and there was nothing about it. So I probably made the observation about the time they did. Regards Tapered (talk) 02:46, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

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All that happened was that I discovered that the page ELINCS was covering two distinct subjects, which pages shouldn't do. So I split those off and created a disambiguation page on ELINCS. And yes I moved the content, mentioning this in the edit summary, but I did not create the unsourced and ambiguous content, and frankly, I don't care about it either. - FakirNL (talk) 10:27, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

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Now our Hollerberg is actually gone :) It looks as if i have to rethink my anticipation of enwiki always keeping such pages. Only out of curiosity: did you tag it for deletion, or did the admin act spontanously? Holger1959 (talk) 22:42, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

@Holger1959: I tagged it for deletion as it was a hoax, an article about a non-existent village. FakirNL (talk) 14:01, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Speed skating

Hello, FakirNL.

Thanks for correcting my errors in the 2014-15 speed skating world cup articles. But I wish you could tone down your edit summaries a bit.

• What was the previous schedule even based on? (repeated 3 times)
• Bro, did you even look at the source?

isn't exactly comments that make one feel encouraged. It might be that the comments were not intended as snotty (in fact, I assume that they weren't), but it still didn't feel right.

I try to do my best, but errors are almost inevitable. Hopefully, they are detected soon, by me, or you, or someone else.

Thanks for your understanding.

HandsomeFella (talk) 15:11, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, the point I was trying to make was that I found it very strange that you already written down the schedule before it was released and the schedule you it turned out to be very wrong. Per Wikipedia:Verifiability I'd say it would be better to wait until the official press release before creating new pages, templates etc. Better to wait a week than to write down wrong information. - FakirNL (talk) 15:38, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't explain the last remark.

Besides, there was a document (communication no 1888) on 1 August that doesn't seem to be available on www.isu.org now (at least it isn't listed there). Much of the information came from that, although I admit that parts of the schedule was wrong.

HandsomeFella (talk) 16:03, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Well I might have gotten a little grumpy, I have to admit that. It's just I don't like seeing wrong information being added (rather have no information than wrong information). - FakirNL (talk) 16:17, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Allright, no harm, no foul. I just created the WC 2, 3 and 4 articles. Maybe you'd like to check them for errors? Not that there is a whole lot of information yet...

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Well yes, I like Black Mirror very much! - FakirNL (talk) 23:28, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

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Since there is no new information in the article, and all I did was split off the short track events from Speed skating at the 2007 Canada Winter Games, it would be consistent to move that article to Draft:Speed skating at the 2007 Canada Winter Games as well. - FakirNL (talk) 09:15, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

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Hello FakirNL. I am supporting your request for merging the:

• 1994 World Allround Speed Skating Championships (created at 18 October 2020, by Axel Bear, and it is the better article‎) -> 1994 Men's World Allround Speed Skating Championships (created at 12 January 2020‎, by Wolbo)
• 1995 World Allround Speed Skating Championships (created at 18 October 2020, by Axel Bear, and it is the better article‎) -> 1995 Men's World Allround Speed Skating Championships (created at 12 January 2020‎, by Wolbo)

but in both cases the article title should include Men since it was still a championship held at to different arenas and different dates for ladies and men. Best regards Migrant (talk) 14:05, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

GR-34 vs GR 34

Hi FakirNL Please note that the Basque wikipedia article eu:GR-34 refers to a former footpath in the Basque region of Spain and is therefore different from the long distance footpath around the coast of Brittany en:GR 34 and fr: Sentier de grande randonnée 34 and therefore requires a separate wikidata entry. I'm not sure how to do this myself. Can you help please? Thanks! -- KenBailey (talk) 08:49, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Since GR 34 (Q3478712) was mostly about the path in Brittany, I moved the Basque path to GR-34 (Q106239040). Maybe you can check whether things are correct now? - FakirNL (talk) 09:46, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Looks perfect! :-) Thanks -- KenBailey (talk) 09:55, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

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Your merge request

Why are you proposing this (last time you proposed) again ? See my above-thread User talk:FakirNL#Merging support, were I didn't get an answer. See also this earlier edit in the same article, and also my post at the article talk-page Talk:1994 Men's World Allround Speed Skating Championships#Merge proposal. What are your reasons for merging these articles ? Best regards Migrant (talk – contribs) 20:24, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

They are still two articles about the same championships right? - FakirNL (talk) 21:07, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

The naming of these championships should be including gender since the world allround championships were held separete with the womens held in Butte, Montana USA, and the mens were held at Gothenburg, Sweden. So this article-title 1994 World Allround Speed Skating Championships should actually be a disambiguation-page for the 2 different championships. Best regards Migrant (talk – contribs) 22:20, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

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