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Affect of Soyuz ms-22 crisis

@Erick Soares3: i recently saw your edit on SpaceX Crew-6. As you seem the person with knowledge on this topic i am asking that since the Soyuz MS-22 and 23 missions are semi-crewed. Wouldn't it be nice to list them on Uncrewed spaceflights to the International Space Station. If yes, how should i add them?? Any suggestions. Santosh Aggarwal (talk) 13:26, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! It could be useful to list them with a different color or even in a separated list inside the article. Is the best that I can think of, since the only similar event was the Soyuz 32/Soyuz 34, way back in the 70s (and we don't have a list for the Salyut flights). Erick Soares3 (talk) 13:34, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Erick Soares3: Ah, snap!!! List of uncrewed spaceflights to Salyut space stations got it. Going to sleep you can change it if you want. Santosh Aggarwal (talk) 18:50, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Did the same on human spaceflights page as we don't list flight up and down on that page in en-wiki Santosh Aggarwal (talk) 19:57, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All right!! Erick Soares3 (talk) 09:44, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My comments on reliable sources

Sorry if I am telling you stuff you already know; I hope I am not coming across as patronizing. I see you have been around a while but you might not have encountered the intricacies of the reliable sources policy if you don't usually work on this type of breaking-news article that may turn out to have factual disputes Elinruby (talk) 17:29, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In the last few year I have been noting the intricacies, and going by the question if the "sources are that good": is kind hard to reply because the media groups, in the end, have been influenced by political and even military interests (the Grupo Globo supported the 1964 Brazilian coup d'état and the majority of the events in the past 4 to 9 years). Because of that, I rather wait for convictions in any of those charges (something that should happen, since the Lula's government received a lot of support internationally and there's some fear that this stuff may happen again in Latin America).

On the title, I support any move that shows that it happened in the government buildings, but any idea may sound weird (like 2023 attack in the Brazilian 3 Government Branches). Erick Soares3 (talk) 18:55, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If that last one sounds weird to you, then that probably isn't the way to go. We need something recognizable to Brazilians yet meaningful to monolingual anglophones. I like the parallel to the US events in the current title, but it's still wrong, as it was more than Congress. Everyone else in the discussion seems to have moved on though, and I am not going to stress about it. I agree with you that caution is called for when it comes to coup. I just wonder how long a conviction will take, and suspect we will wind up using coup at some point. Not really advocating that we do it right now. Elinruby (talk) 19:11, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Completely unrelated question for when you have time

Re the pt-wikipedia article Bacharel de Cananeia [pt] , "Bacharel" keeps getting translated as "Bachelor" --probably true in a more usual context, but it seems like it is a title here. Any thoughts on this? I translated that article at one point when I did a big copy edit on History of the State of São Paulo because I was interested in a castaway who founded a settlement. I didn't find enough sources fast enough, and the article got deleted. Your user page doesn't look like history is your main area of interest, but if you know the answer or could refer me to one or more good sources, I'd appreciate it. Elinruby (talk) 17:46, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Elinruby: "Bacharel" is related to Bachelor's degree. The use would be equivalent of "Dr." (like, Dr. Einstein), but since Cananéia is a place, the translation would be "Bachelor from Cananéia" (since it is a pseudonym from a person whose identity is uncertain).

History is also of my interest, but I'm used to edit it more in the Portuguese Wiki (Santos Dumont is one that I have always tried to keep up to date in both languages and I have also created/translated Urânia Vanério, among others). My computer is kind of overheating now, but since it seems that you understand Portuguese, you could use the Hemeroteca digital (historical newspapers and magazines) and the BBM (old PD books and other materials). Erick Soares3 (talk) 19:10, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

On the example of the Hemeroteca use, I did the original of Paulo de Mello Bastos and Félix I pretty much only using the old newspapers articles, with a little bit of modern sources. Erick Soares3 (talk) 19:54, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, that is very helpful. Elinruby (talk) 00:46, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Elinruby You're welcome! Erick Soares3 (talk) 08:48, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

by the way, I can only read Portuguese with some difficulty, and like to check any translations about which there is doubt, which is why I was so relieved when actual Portuguese speakers showed up the other night. But I can in fact do it, however tentatively, and that guy sparked my interest. It would be pretty unusual to have a bachelor's degree in the 15th century, so he must have had some ties to the aristocracy, and yet. He winds up on a jungle island fending for himself. Maybe not a very nice guy since he might have been a castaway and definitely became a slave trader, but that doesn't mean that there isn't an interesting story there. Elinruby (talk) 09:09, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Elinruby reading here, if he was or not a bacharel is anyone guess, since his identity is unknown. According to the link above, the name Bacharel was used more as a nickname, and not necessary as a title. As I said above, "Bachelor from Cananéia" may be a good translation, or you may keep it in Portuguese, with a footnote explaining. Erick Soares3 (talk) 10:15, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

the thing is, in English the word just means an unmarried man. Apart from the archaic use in "bachelor's degree". It's not a major thing though, just something I wondered about. Maybe his shipmates thought he was a snob or looked down on them, and that's where the name came from. I will take another look for sources. The reason that I stumbled across this is that he is mentioned as the likely founder of São Paulo (although it was San Vicente really) but it was a redlink at en-wiki. Just an interesting little quirk of history. Elinruby (talk) 10:36, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Elinruby In Portuguese "Bacharel" is related to "Bachelor's degree". Unmarried/single man would just be "solteiro" (unless "solteiro" is a modern term, what I don't believe it so). Erick Soares3 (talk) 15:42, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

but it does mean bachelor's degree? Interesting. I haven't looked up the etymology of the word and maybe I should just for fun. What you are saying about solteiro sense based on solitaire and solitary makes sense based on their meanings of "alone". And yet "unmarried man" is bachelier. Now that I've checked that I see that meaning of degree-holder is university-level in Canada only, probably (my speculation) due to repeated mistranslation from English. In France it means the holder of a secondary school degree. It both places it means an unmarried man. Language drift is so much fun. French wikipedia says that a bachelier in the middle ages was a night who did not have a horse or his own men. There is a root in Old French that means something like "landholder", which might be where I got aristocrat, and probably also has Latin roots, which is why there is as much parallel as there is (?). I was only aware of a possible translation as having a bachelor's degree, but I found this surprising given the period. Anyway, this has been fascinating but probably more than you wanted to know. I will look at sources again. Maybe I can figure out who he was and avoid this issue, at least for the title. If not, yeah, it looks like a big note would be required. Appreciate the help. Elinruby (talk) 18:32, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Elinruby:, that's all quite interesting and your research made me go and find this 1789 Portuguese dictionary and look for the meaning of bacharel (p. 156).

Original (without the special characters): "BACHAREL, s. m. homem, que recebeo o primeiro gráo em qualquer faculdade na Universidade. Bacharel formado, he o que cursou com approvação hum anno além do em que se fez bacharel...."
Translation: "BACHELOR", s. m. [male substantive] man who receives the first degree in any college at the University. A graduated bachelor is the one who has attended with approval one year more than the year when he became a bachelor."

Just for fun, the follow 3 words:

BACHARELADO: adjective, related to bacharel.

BACHARELAR: to speak too much.

BACHARELICE: the addiction of speaking too much.

The only option now is to find an earlier 1400/1500 dictionary to see how this word was used in Portugal at the time when Bacharel de Cananéia lived. It has to focus in Portugal since Brazil only became an independent country in 1822... Erick Soares3 (talk) 20:06, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I had forgotten: unmarried is also translated as não casado (literally: non married"). Erick Soares3 (talk) 23:25, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet Carol moved to draftspace

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