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Ways to improve Victoria Hotel (Toodyay)

Hi, I'm Nechlison. Elrebe56, thanks for creating Victoria Hotel (Toodyay)!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. try to provide more references and reliable sources.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse. Nechlison (talk) 13:00, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Please keep up the good work!!

Please try to read the edits on articles you have created - there are many things worth learning from them.

Please consider http://trove.nla.gov.au it is well worth the time to check places names and things in the simple and advanced mode searches.

Cheers satusuro 12:41, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please try to see the edits others have made, by now if the articles you have created have been edited by others. Well worth having a look at the changes.

Please make an effort to try to not remove links created by others where they are trying to make the articles more in line with WP:MOS.

Please try to have a look at what WP:LEAD is about. Articles that do not have clear lead sentences or lead paragraphs can be a problem, specially for things down the line.

Please try to have a go at Trove. satusuro 14:33, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Municipal Inventory and Heritage List

You recently added to Stirling House a reference to "Municipal Inventory and Heritage List. Shire of Toodyay." Could you please advise whether this is the same as this document which I found by searching the Shire of Toodyay's web site.

If it is the same document, it would be helpful if the article's reference included a link to that document. (Ideally using a {{cite}} template, but that can be added later.) This will probably apply to other articles as well - a quick search suggests that the reference is used in other Toodyay articles.

If it is the same document, but you're unsure of how to link to it, let me know (by posting a reply here, or on the article's Talk page), and I'll create the link for you. (You can then look at the article's "source text" to see how it's done, and copy to other articles where appropriate.)

Thanks, Mitch Ames (talk) 07:48, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

For putting in the extra bits to make things easier:

Two things though

Could we drop the Heritage Council nomenclature scheme of (fmr) in article titles?(leave em in the list if you want)
If you are doing a new article and have a street name that hasnt been used yet, make a red link category for further development (in the end all streets in toodyay are notable due to their having heritage houses (and topics and subjects related) located on them so ignore any outsider tagging -

example Joe Blow Street, Toodyay - in category space. that is however just a suggestion, whatever you feel comfortable with in the end

Thanks for what you have done to date - it keeps us on our toes and we appreciate your hard work!

satusuro 09:54, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the feedback. Trying to improve the quality of the articles as I check more references. Will do my best to follow your suggestions.

Elrebe56 (talk) 10:28, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No rush, and please feel free to throw stuff back at any of us old timers, that is what we are here for... satusuro 14:19, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CATEGORY#Articles suggests that

An article should never be left with a non-existent (redlinked) category on it. Either the category should be created, or else the link should be removed or changed to a category that does exist.

If you have problems creating the category, I'm sure "any of us old timers" will help you out with it. Mitch Ames (talk) 06:05, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The suggestion was made in good faith without the thought that he would inevitably turn up and contradict. satusuro 07:09, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Redlinks from Roman Catholic Church Group, Toodyay

All of the links I attempted to create in the article about the Roman Catholic Church Group, Toodyay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Church_Group,_Toodyay) have articles I have already created to link to. I did notice there was a 'sea of red' but hoped I could ask for some help from someone to fix. I wondered if the removal of the word 'fmr' from the titles of some of these articles (after I had originally created them) may have something to do with it. Or then again, perhaps not... Appreciate your help.

Elrebe56 (talk) 09:19, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed some of them. If - per satusuro's previous comments (in #Thanks) - the "fmr" is removed from the articles (to which I have recently linked) the pipes can (and should - for easier editing) be removed from the links.

However after this rename of St Aloysius Convent of Mercy classrooms and girls dormitory (fmr) to St Aloysius Convent of Mercy Toodyay, we now have these two articles:

I suggest that one of them needs to be renamed (not just dropping "fmr") or they need to be merged. I haven't fixed the redlink St Aloysius Convent of Mercy School Classrooms and Girls Boarding House from Roman Catholic Church Group, Toodyay yet - probably best to wait until the two abovementioned articles are sorted out. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:38, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

One thing I did notice was the one of the redlinks was due to a "curly" apostrophe - Dr Growse’s House vs Dr Growse's House. Generally we use "straight" apostrophes - see WP:PUNCT for details. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:45, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Could you also link the Leeder's House reference to the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeder's_House for me please? Many thanks

Elrebe56 (talk) 09:43, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:46, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for your help. I did notice the above problem that has emerged between the above two St Aloysius Convent of Mercy articles about the two different buildings in question. The naming is also confusing and long-winded on the Shire of Toodyay Municipal Inventory document. This is why I attempted to launch forth into the broader article about the entire site - in order to have a more complete historical perspective on its development, and hopefully clarifying what these buildings were used for...although this changed over the years. Will keep working on the articles - perhaps the insertion of 'school' in the two articles about the girls and boys boarding houses may help. This is what I chose to do in the Catholic Church Group article.

Elrebe56 (talk) 10:06, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Stirling terrace

Hi do you have any information on when Stirling terrace was formally put through the Roman Catholic Church Group, Toodyay precinct thus separating the old church from the rest of the complex. Gnan garra 10:50, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, I must admit I was wondering the same. An 1895 map of the Newcastle township reproduced on the back page of Rica Erickson's book, Old Toodyay and Newcastle, seems to have the road located where it is today. It was called New Road then, from memory the name changed to Stirling Terrace around the time the township changed its name to Toodyay in 1910.

The map, although it finishes just where the church is, definitely has the church on the opposite side of the road to Lot S19 which was allocated to the Catholic church in 1861. Around the church there appears to be a border drawn, but there is no lot number because the text RC Church takes up all the space. Do you want me to email a scan of the page?

I don't have anything else at home that might throw any light on this. Would have to wait until I go back to work on Tuesday to investigate further.

Elrebe56 (talk) 11:16, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

no rush its one those questions that come along while writing articles, especially as it considered all part of the one complex... obviously it would have been because people would attended church and thats the way they came into town at some stage the land would have become part of the road boards responsibility, maybe and fairly likely it just morphed into that and shire/road board just assumed responsibility. I'd be surprised if there was a formal action, though perhaps around the sale(1963-4) it would have to have been surveyed into separate lots. Gnan garra 11:37, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It is fascinating how things develop isn't it? By the way I found a reference in Rica's book about the name change of New Road. It became Stirling Terrace in 1905 through the casting vote of the Mayor; the town Council had been strongly opposed to the idea of a name change. Elrebe56 (talk) 12:18, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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all fixed :) Gnan garra 09:24, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

thanks Elrebe56 (talk) 11:09, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Are you seriously of the opinion that every building on the local heritage list justifies an article? Usually we expect a national listing. 'DGG (at NYPL)' (talk) 20:35, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

actually we dont expect a national listing, every building is on the State heritage list, the sourcing for the stub is from the municiple because that is what they what they direct access to. Gnan garra 00:18, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Historic buildings

I just started a discussion at WP:AWNB about standardising the formats we use for historic buildings articles around the country, and with the work you've done in the area, I'd love your thoughts. The Drover's Wife (talk) 12:53, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Freemasons Hotel (Toodyay) - Apostrophe or not

I see that you have been editing some of the Toodyay articles recently. Any chance of your having a look at Talk:Freemasons Hotel (Toodyay)#Apostrophe or not. Mitch Ames (talk) 05:50, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Supa-Value

your input is requested at Talk:Jager Stores#Supa-Value. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:52, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Toodyay Municipal Inventory reference link

(In response to your e-mail of 2018-04-10)

I can see the new MI at http://www.toodyay.wa.gov.au/Council/Shire-Documents/Municipal-Inventory (direct link http://www.toodyay.wa.gov.au/files/sharedassets/public/building/municipal-inventory/municipal-inventory.pdf). I might be able to use AWB to automatically update some of the references - it depends on how much variation there is in the citation format and ordering of template entries. (I'm sure AWB can do it, but I'm not so sure that I can work out how to get AWB to do it!) Mitch Ames (talk) 14:23, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've started updating the references to link to the new URL. I can't see an easy way to have AWB do it automatically, but it certainly helps me find the old links easily. I'll work my way through the 40 or so pages over the next few days. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:52, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

All done now. (As far as I can tell. If you find any articles that still have the old link, let me know, because I'd like to establish why my search did not find them.) Mitch Ames (talk) 02:41, 14 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Mitch

Sorry. Away for a couple of days and am trying to respond on my phone but having difficulty. Appreciate your help. Elrebe56 (talk) 14:20, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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