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sources for consideration

just digging through Trove will post potential sources for expanding this article Gnan garra 09:13, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

St Mary's church foundation stone laying, "TOODYAY". The Perth Gazette and Independent Journal of Politics and News (WA : 1848 - 1864). WA: National Library of Australia. 13 March 1857. p. 2. Retrieved 2 June 2014. Gnan garra 09:13, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Correct name for the Agriculture Society

Does anyone have a definitive reference to say whether it was The Northam, Toodyay, and Victoria Plains Agricultural Society, or The Toodyay, Northam, and Victoria Plains Agricultural Society?

Google finds mostly instances of "Toodyay, Northam ..." (even when I search for Northam, Toodyay and Victoria Plains Agricultural Society without quotation marks) including multiple contemporaneous newspaper articles from the 1800s. The only Trove articles I could find that say "Northam, Toodyay ..." are:

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2929584 (1856)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/33307701 written in 1933,

so I'm inclined to think that "Toodyay, Northam ..." is correct. Mitch Ames (talk) 00:48, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It is a fallacy to think there is/was a correct name. Rabbit hole and waster of time. The usage of trove (which has verbatim copy of how it appeared in the 1870s) is sufficient - to actually consider whether the reporting of the name in variant manners deserves no time, no extra thought. You find a ref, use the form found - to ponder whether there is such thing as correct misses the point of what references are about JarrahTree 04:17, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

West Toodyay "landing page"

(In response to e-mail of 2018-04-10 from Elrebe56, re these edits [1][2])

@Elrebe56: All West Toodyay articles should appear in Category:West Toodyay (or subcategories thereof), and you can get to that category from the Category link at the bottom of each West Toodyay article.

We could create a standalone list article "List of places in West Tooday" article, and/or a navigation template. ("Towns in the Wheatbelt region of Western Australia" at the bottom of West Toodyay is an example of a navigation template. We can have more than one of these, and they can have more complex formatting - see the bottom of Perth for example.)

Personally I'm not a fan of the duplication with the category, but WP:NOTDUP explicitly allows such duplication.

In some cases the "See also" section is an appropriate place to link to other related articles, but it is not suited to listing all articles in the area.

(I haven't checked the other refs yet to establish whether the Depot is part of the "precinct", but WP:SYN might be a problem.)

Mitch Ames (talk) 14:22, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of places in the precinct

I disagree with these edits, adding to the list of places in the heritage listed precinct, for two reasons:

The additional entries are not listed in either of the cited sources.
I don't think a complete list of the places (which is clearly what it is turning in to) is suitable for embedding in the article - although I admit that the map is quite good, and well worth keeping.

Perhaps, per #West Toodyay "landing page" above, a navigation template would be better. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:22, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Precinct map

Independently of the #List of places in the precinct, the map is quite good (kudos to Samwilson for creating it). Given that the map follows the text "The precinct ...", is it feasible to add the boundary of the aforementioned precinct (e.g as inHerit does) to it. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:29, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Mitch Ames: Good idea! I'll have a go at doing it. I'm not sure what the license is for the geometry given on Inherit, but I can derive from File:Map of West Toodyay, 1910, Cons 3868 item 395.jpg instead and compare it with Bing (open-licensed for OSM use). Sam Wilson 05:32, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Assistant Surveyor Arthur? Hillman

The article says that "Assistant Surveyor Arthur Hillman carried out this survey in September 1849".

Should this be Alfred Hillman (1807–1883), who was appointed Assistant Surveyor in 1832, and with the Surveying department until 1863?^[1]^[2] Mitch Ames (talk) 02:16, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What does the source say for that sentence? Gnan garra 03:55, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a copy of the The History of the Toodyay Convict Depot, so I can't check, and the online plan at SRO doesn't include the name.

However, I just searched the documents I had from Toodyaypedia Stage 3 for "Hillman" and found an extract from The Road to Toodyay (use as a reference for The Highland Laddie, Toodyay) which says "On 8 April 1859, Doust paid out Joseph Farmaner and Walter Padbury by drawing up a new mortgage, courtesy of Alfred Hillman".^[3]^{: 156, 157}

This doesn't help, though, because there's nothing to say that it's the same person. ("Drawing up a mortgage" suggests a lawyer or banker, not a surveyor.) Mitch Ames (talk) 05:09, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Surveyor would have drawn up the title for the lands, and registered the ownership of such lands as there wasnt the banking facilities here that early in the colony. It is enough evidence to use Alfred instead. Gnan garra 05:36, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://britishmapengravers.net/entries/h-entries/alfred-hillman
^ https://www.asmp.esrc.unimelb.edu.au/biogs/E000212b.htm
^ Alison Cromb (2016). The Road to Toodyay: A History of the Early Settlement of Toodyay and the Avon Valley of Western Australia. Dianella, Western Australia: Alison Cromb. ISBN 9780646951744.

[1] ttps://britishmapengravers.net/entries/h-entries/alfred-hillman

[2] ttps://www.asmp.esrc.unimelb.edu.au/biogs/E000212b.htm

[TheRoadToToodyay-3] Alison Cromb (2016). The Road to Toodyay: A History of the Early Settlement of Toodyay and the Avon Valley of Western Australia. Dianella, Western Australia: Alison Cromb. ISBN 9780646951744.

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