User talk:DuncanBCS
Welcome
[edit]Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (Warofdreams talk 11:56, 26 September 2005 (UTC)); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question or ask me on my talk page. I see that you are a former AWL member - are you now an ISG member? If so, that article could do with some work. Warofdreams talk 11:56, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
Fourth International
[edit]I like your rewording as to how other groups regard the USFI's claims to be the FI. Do the ICFI actually claim to be the Fourth International, rather than representing continuity with it? And doesn't Lambert's group claim to be the Fourth International? Warofdreams talk 15:30, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. It's probably best to reply on my talk page, as then I'll see it straight away. Some people prefer to reply on their own talk page, to keep all the discussion in one place, but then it's best to add a note at the top of your talk page stating that's what you'll do, so that they don't miss your reply. Alternatively, if the discussion is all about one page, it may be best to copy the discussion to the talk page of that article, so that others can read it and join in if they have an opinion. Warofdreams talk 13:06, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
- One last thought on groups claiming to be the FI - don't the Posadists claim to be the Fourth International? Or perhaps it's just *a* Fourth International? Warofdreams talk 18:33, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
- No, Posadas, is founder of the Posadist Fourth International, founded in 1962.
Duncan, I've replied to your comment on my talk page. Rafaelgr 23:05, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Categories
[edit]Hi. I was not aware anyone was watching them. Sure I will, and sorry for the inconvenience. And, since you know more than me on the subject, perhaps you could help me with including persons that were missed etc. Dahn 17:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
LCR
[edit]Thanks for comments, will rework when I have a moment. I'm not sure if this is how I am supposed to leave a message for you - I'm new to the game. John
Permanent Revolution
[edit]It looks like you're doing a good job there. You're keeping your cool, and the dispute looks like it's down to a single sentence. I'd suggest keep trying to talk to Jacrosse, and consider whether the disputed bit could be rephrased in a way you'd both agree to (tho' of course that's difficult to figure out if you can't get a discussion going). Alternatively, make your position very clear and try to get some other people to comment as to whether they support you. Or even take a break from the article for a few days and see what happens when you get back to it. Best, Warofdreams talk 03:42, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Trozky
[edit]I transferred your comment in the Hebrew Wiki to the talk page of he:לאון טרוצקי, where hopefully it will be addressed to. 192.16.204.80 19:46, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Swe Comm
[edit]Hi. I see you've been writing a lot about socialism and socialists/communists.
I write a lot about the early Swedish Communist movement. As of now, I'm more or less finished with the articles on the two main communist leaders in Sweden, Ture Nerman, and Zeth Höglund (mostly based on these two guys' own autobiographies. And I plan to expand other Swedish Communists' articles as I read their autobiographies too. Right now I'm working on Karl Kilbom.) If you haven't seen them, maybe you would be interested in reading them, if you have time. It would be nice if someone who is into the subject, and a native english speaker, would overlook the articles, and maybe there are things that should be clearified for none-swedish people... or if they are too long, mentioning things that aren't of interest to none-swedish people. Feel free to edit. So, If you're interested and have time. Bronks 25 January 2006.
- Thank you for the nice clean up work you did with the articles.
None of Ture Nermans writings have been translated to English (that I know). On the Swedish wiki-article for Ture Nerman, sv:Ture Nerman, I've put up one of his poems, which he wrote during the october revolution to honor and support the bolsheviks. It's a very tough, alive piece, almost violent. The poem is called Till Bärget, For The Mountain, and he compares the Bolsheviks with the most radical people in the French Revolution.
On the Czechoslovakian border thing. It can be a misunderstanding I guess, or Nerman remembering it wrong. He mentions it in his autobiography, which was written in the 1950s, so Czechoslovakia existed then, and I guess that’s why he use that word. -Bronks 29 January 2006.
PS. I've altered the text about Czechoslovakian a little.Bronks 29 January 2006.
- Thanks! I looked at the poem. I can't really read Swedish, but I know Dutch and German, so I get the flow a little. --Duncan 17:42, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Here, I made a quick translation of that poem. It looses a lot of its momentum without the rhyme, but you get the point…
For The Mountain
Hurray, the Revolution is still alive!
it goes all the way to Neva’s water
On Tsar Kerensky’s grave stands the men of life
Lenin, with Zimmerwald’s feather in his hat
When everyone has betrayed the hopes of the starving masses
and when the Girondist cowardly have left the scene
when words fail and when the bubble burst
then it is your time, you Bolsheviks of the Mountain
Enough now with grand words and empty speeches
Justice demands hand, not tongue
Sounds of worry from inside king Mammons hall
Door in! Let the whole house fall
Burn the rubbish down to ashes
and from it, erect the Dictatorship of the Proletariat
salute revenge, salute workers and farmers
the Battering ram, the Bolsheviks of the Mountain
Blood? Violence? Well, the masses
Are in movement...
You will never create world peace
in silk gloves writing resolutions
Down with all the type writers
we will not die for any "homeland"
we’ve had enough of sugar and kind words
salute action, salute the Bolsheviks of the Mountain
A world in death agony sees its life in you
Humanity prays victory for your flag
Gods of freedom, send you armies down
to help bring dawn in all lands
In the sun you’ve lit again in the east
see, the centuries greatest mission in burning fire
History writes to you
your act of salvation, you Bolsheviks of the Mountain
Ture Nerman published in Folkets Dagblad Politiken November 11, 1917.
AWL
[edit]Yes; there's not much on the web on the RLC members, but [1] and [2] mention them attending an international meeting. Searching for a link on Solidarity in the US is almost impossible as all the hits are for the Solidarity newspaper, but any AWL supporters who move to the US are advised to join, so there are a couple of supporters in the group. Warofdreams talk 01:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- Really? AWL supporters have moved to the US? Fascinating. It's a tiny group: I spent several years in the group can can't recall anyone moving to another country. --Duncan 12:32, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- No one in AWL has moved there, its supporters in US Solidarity are Americans who share its politics. Haldraper (talk) 18:57, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Shachtman
[edit]I've updated the Shachtman article. I'd appreciate it if you take a look at it and help monitor any "close colleague" modifications. Thanks --metzerly 02:42, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the correction - I sometimes forget the distinction between the war and post-war views. Jacrosse is editorializing once again, and he is currently battering both French Turn and Max Shachtman. I'd appreciate your help in guarding against this. Thanks again. --metzerly 03:38, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- I will likely be seeking mediation regarding Jacrosse if he continues his revisions. I would appreciate it if you participate and alert other interested editors. Thanks--and apologies for bombarding your talk page. --metzerly 22:49, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/French Turn, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible.
French Turn Moderation
[edit]I've been assigned to moderate the dispute on the French turn. See you there. Thesocialistesq 05:56, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Shachtman etc.
[edit]It is indeed a bit of a mess isn`t it? --Isolani 18:10, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- But this can`t go on forever, he's bound to get banned at some point? right? To me, the entire issue is completely irrelevant, I think I edited a typo out of Schachtman and added it to my watchlist.. God knows what kind of mire I may have stepped into!
--Isolani 19:04, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- Probably "maar van binnen koken we" :-D
--Isolani 19:13, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- Well I have had the advantage of having had a strict education in a very old fashioned rural grammar LOL, I was actually made to read 60 literary works in 4 languages for my matric-letters exam (though, to be honest, I was probably the only student in the class who actually did read them!)--Isolani 19:24, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
As Wikipedia is not a planned economy, I`m afraid you should hunt and gather to find your fill of user-boxes. ;-) Actually, I am currently assisting examiner for the prelim oral examinations at matric level. No literature is asked for, as we have given up on even trying to get students to read. They will out-cheat you any time. We try to read a novel and a play in the groups over the course of two years, and that's it. I feel like an old fart at times, making a reference to, say, Byron and having your students look at you as if you mentioned something exceedingly awkward. --Isolani 19:35, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Your userboxes do reveal some fascinating information. A Trotskist with an MBA? There must be a fascinating story behind that combination.... --Isolani 20:46, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
French Turn & Max Shachtman
[edit]At this point Jacrosse is engaging in obvious acts of vandalism without even beginning to comment on the talk page. An admin can ban him simply enough... but not permenently. I don't think Jacrosse will sit down to talk with anyone at this point (i could try one last time if you'd like), so your best choice might be arbitration, however nasty it may sound. If you go down that path, you should begin assembling the other parties to this dispute and build a case. If that's what you do, i'll back you up all the way. Thesocialistesq 13:22, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Duncan. Everything's fine--though I've been really busy. I'm willing to go through an arbitration process, but I'd also be open to reporting Jacrosse for rampant vandalism. At least 2-3 administrators have involved themselves with Jacrosse, so this wouldn't be coming out of nowhere. --metzerly 21:09, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Duncan, thanks for the invite to join in, but my contributions were really only fixing a few links, and I don't really have any feel at all for the subject, so I think I'd better stay out. Good luck, though, in reaching a solution to it all, and sorry I can't be of more help. --BrownHairedGirl 22:13, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm in on the arbitration... Thesocialistesq 10:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Maybe you would like to weigh in here...
[edit]Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkish Kurdistan - Bertilvidet 00:36, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Comment on Talk:Neoconservatism
[edit]Hi, Duncan. I left a message responding to your comment. You can find it here. Thanks for all your help in this. Jacrosse is a frustrating, perhaps impossible, editor to work with. If his intransigence continues, I am more than willing to go through the arbitration process. Hydriotaphia 17:04, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
- Hi, Duncan. What's the update concerning arbitration? --metzerly 00:28, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
- In case you didn't see: Jacrosse was at it again today --metzerly 00:20, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Duncan: Thanks for your message on my talk page. Yes, I would like to be a party involved in the arbitration; I believe my experiences with Jacrosse should be known. Should I add my name, or should I wait for you to do so? Best, Hydriotaphia 14:08, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Jacrosse arbitration
[edit]I'll try and help where I can. My involvement with Jacrosse was principally on the neoconservatism page. There was a mediation request for Neoconservatism as well: Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Neoconservatism. It never got going, because no mediator was available to take it up. You might want to contact the parties to that mediation to see if they're interested in joining the arbitration. As for a statement, I think I'll wait until evidence is asked for, at which time I'll troll through all the User constributions, article histories, talk page history, and block logs to help out.—thames 15:00, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jacrosse. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jacrosse/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jacrosse/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 13:59, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Evidence at Jacrosse arbitration
[edit]Hi there, Duncan. The evidence page at the Jacrosse arbitration is open for contributions. I encourage you to contribute there; you know more about Jacrosse's original research than I do. I have added what I can on other issues. Best of luck, and thanks. Hydriotaphia 15:20, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to keep bugging you about this—we still need you over there, though! Hope all is well. Hydriotaphia 01:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Business Schools
[edit]I'm new to this, so please excuse any missteps, and please understand my reluctance to undo somebody's edits. You removed some words "advertizing Kaplan," which makes some sense (but Thunderbird and others are similarly advertized in the remaining article--I included Kaplan not to advertize them, but to provide an example of such schools). Why did you also remove reference to the non-university business schools, which are much more numerous and touch many more lives (and for which "business school" is a U.S. idiomatic name)? Maybe the article should be renamed Graduate Schools of Business, or B-Schools, or similar. A basic point (truth?) is that only a minority of U.S. "business schools" are university graduate schools. (I'm a graduate of the university type, and I occasionally teach in one of the other type.) Lou Sander 20:08, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Edits on Ivy League business schools
[edit]Thanks for your suggestions. You mentioned that I should try to win consensus for my POV, but I don't think that's necessary or constructive when I'm trying to police edits made by a particularly deceitful user. Read the talk page fully to understand what's going on there. I can see in your edit history that you have removed content from other articles without first discussing on the Talk page. When such edits are clear and necessary, I've made them, and it appears so have you. MBAguy 19:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Mediation of disruptive behavior by User:GO WHARTON - please help
[edit]You seem to have expressed an interest in mediating the dispute over the promotion and reversion of NPOV edits to Ivy League business schools. If you're still interested, I'm writing to request that you help out, reviewing the talk page IN DETAIL and make up your mind as to what is going on and take appropriate action. Policing his disruptive edits is taking just way too much of my time, and my frustration is showing, to my embarassment. Thanks. MBAguy 04:33, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I blocked GO WHARTON and MBAguy...
[edit]...for twenty-four hours for violation of the 3RR.
I'm probably a little out of bounds on that because I don't know that either of them have ever been told about the existence of the 3RR, but I've done it anyway.
I reverted three of the six articles so that half are as last edited by one and half as last edited by the other.
Comments or suggestions welcome. Dpbsmith (talk) 10:42, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
This case has been closed. The final decision is in the case page at the link above.
For the Arbitration Committee. --Tony Sidaway 14:13, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
I've been through the article and added various citations. Where I haven't yet been able to find a source for a statement, I've added a "citation needed" tag. It'd be great if you could fill in some of these missing citations - I know some of them are for paragraphs which you researched. thanks, Warofdreams talk 23:21, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- I think I've sourced as much as I can - are you able to find any more? The "unity discussions after 1963" section has particularly few references. thanks, Warofdreams talk 22:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Great, thanks for those. When I have time, I'll move statements for which we have no references to the talk page, or where possible reword them. Oh, and the Summer School was excellent - good debates, and busier than the last few. Warofdreams talk 23:41, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Magazine scans
[edit]It's great that you've gained permission to use these covers to illustrate our articles! Have you got the permission to use them in writing? If so, it'd be great to include the text on the image page, just in case anyone starts questioning them. Warofdreams talk 02:18, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Thank you my friend!
[edit]Indeed a nice surprise to see that an article about Revolutionary Communist Group (Lebanon) has been started. Very good and indeed necessary! Thanks. Bertilvidet 22:26, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
First of all, I would like to say that you are doing very nice and informative work on aticles on socialism in Wikipedia, including, of course, the article on Pablo. I would like to bring to you attention the aricle on Pandelis Pouliopoulos, the not so famous as Pablo but important Greek trotskyist (or, as you put it for Pablo, "of Greek origin"). I have added a few lines, including a photo, and I am planning to add, little by little, a few more things as I am also writting a Greek version. Please read it through and make any possible edits. I was wondering also if any book or article by Pouliopoulos was ever published in English. Many thanks in advance, --Michkalas 12:56, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Proposed deletion
[edit]I've added the "{{prod}}" template to the article Institute of Industry Analyst Relations, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree, discuss the issues raised at Talk:Institute of Industry Analyst Relations. If you remove the {{dated prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Fram 07:19, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
CS
[edit]please have a say at the ongoing blankettings of the Socialist Convergence (Mexico) article. --Soman 12:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- Please do not misrepresent my edits, since I'm not deleting anything. I'm merging and redirecting a minor topic to its appropriate page (National political association) as per Wikipedia:Redirect. That stub won't be expanded beyond the text it currently has until (if) it becomes a proper political party, thus justifying the redirect. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 14:33, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- First please read Wikipedia:Redirect. The important bit here is that the edit history remains where it is (the Socialist Convergence article). Also there is no loss of information since exactly the same text has been copied to the National political association article (please read the entry there) and links, both internal and external, have been preserved. This is the only reasonable way to handle mergers of articles, unless you also want me to merge the edit history, which is actually quite a messy task. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 14:42, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- There's no more information in the standalone article. The only great difference is the politics of Mexico template and the sentence on national political organizations which you wrote yourself. The three lines in the NPA article are pretty much a verbatim copy of the stub. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 14:52, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- Now, don't you twist my words. I clearly stated above "there's no more information in the standalone article." The line you wrote about the NPA takes information that it is in the main article itself, which is not new content that would be missing out in the merged article.
- Right now I wonder whether I should bother discussing the issue at this point in time, since so far I've been called a vandal, had my edits misrepresented and misquoted while acting within the guidelines and in good faith. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 17:56, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Apologies accepted, of course. However in all fairness I believe that you, as the mediator of sorts in this dispute, should also have a word with Soman (re [3]). See also my own ranting reply in the article's talk page. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 14:48, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
An anonymous user added it at Reunified_Fourth_International#Sympathising_organizations_.28including_ex-official_sections.29. I think it is not correct and the page of the party itself doesn't mention anything.--Michkalas 18:51, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Ivy League business schools Ranking Links
[edit]Thanks for adding them! DMacks 20:42, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
FAC on Fourth International
[edit]People seem to like the article on the Fourth International. As you've contributed quite a lot to it, I wondered if you'd like to comment on it at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Fourth International. Thanks, Warofdreams talk 03:18, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Invitation to participate in a novel experiment by Wharton School and MIT
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ISG and party box
[edit]I think the party box works well on the ISG article, and in the articles of other groups which do not regard themselves as parties, such as the CPGB(PCC) or AWL. Despite its name, it doesn't state or even imply in the actual text that the organisation is a party. Many of the fields are appropriate to the ISG, and to other similar organisations. It does still need a logo for the ISG, though. Warofdreams talk 23:31, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Western Marxism
[edit]The order of the list was roughly based on the period during which each thinker did their main writing Hanshans23 21:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Mediation
[edit]Apologies for leaving you out, no offense intended. Donnacha 10:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Lutte ouvrière
[edit]The scetion you removed was certainly written quickly -by myself - and needs cleaning up for POV. Nevertheless the questions are important. In France the first thing which people think of when they think of Lutte Ouvrière is their discipline, semi clandestine methods, and their general opposition to their comrades having children. These characteristic do not come from nowhere, but from the idea, at the origins of LO, that petty bourgeois attitudes were the cause of the failure of the presvious generation of trotskyists... Surely this is not simply ireelevant ? Nor is it a reflection which comes particularly from S.I.... John
I found a moment to add two important points, this time with references to the LO weekly paper, references easy to check on the web. Hope you are happy :=) john
Request for Mediation
[edit]AWL and the FI=
[edit]Of course, it's wrong - not sure who they imagined that the current was - but you probably know that the AWL has applied for sympathising status in the past. Warofdreams talk 23:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
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Trotskyism template
[edit]Hey, Duncan, thanks for your quick response on the Trotskyism template talk page. Edits rarely get a thums-up or down that quickly! I took a look at your user page, and find your interests, well, interesting. If you would ever like to discuss some Marxist history, specifically post-WWII, feel free to write a note on my page. --Dialecticas 14:01, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
WRP members
[edit]Hi - I put in the blurb for that category that it included members of the SLL and The Club, as there was so much continuity, there seemed little point in separate categories. I did the same with the SWP members category, which includes IS and SRG members. Warofdreams talk 17:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Hardly a party which would interest you as such; however there happens to be an unpleasant partisan freedom-party individual stalking the page who keeps ffing the article up, check for yourself. If you could chime in on the talk page some time, I would feel much obliged as I`m beginning to have the idea I`m a bit isolated there. Might also be a nice change from internecine socialist struggles? Much obliged --Isolani 15:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks anyhow, I would be much obliged if you can just check the talk page and article every now and then, thing is I don`t trust user Intangible2.0 and feel a little beleaguered in trying to keep the page clean. This is one of those articles I didn`t want to get involved with, and now end up being one of the main editors *sigh* I just want to get back to editing Cath. Encyclopedia articles! At least no one starts revert wars over Pedro d'Alva y Astorga. (Of whom, by the way, it was said that "His polemic had such a personal tone and was so violent that he was sent to the Low-Countries." he he he he he) --Isolani 15:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
John Coleman
[edit]A Crackpot? Like David Icke and Zarcharia Sitchin? Who articles are still here? Who determined that Coleman was a crackpot?--207.103.180.10 22:07, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- Icke is notable. There's no article for Zarcharia Sitchin. --Duncan 10:54, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
- I think he means Zecharia Sitchin, and who determines when an author is notable or not? He is who and what he is.--Mataharii 06:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
- Notability can be made concrete. For example, Icke and Sitchin have more than half a million references on line: John Coleman + spy gives 12,000. --Duncan 10:30, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Vandalism and abuse
[edit]Hello Duncan, and thanks for your help. As you have probably realised, the edits that you reverted were but a small part of a concerted campaign against me by one or more Zionists, supporters of Steven Plaut. For more details, see User:RolandR/Vandalism and [[Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Runtshit]]. So far, using nearly 80 different user ids, this vandal or group has defaced scores of Wikipedia pages, obliging many editors to spend time clearing this up. Unfortunately, Wikipedia seems unable to put a stop to this, and the vandalism continues daily. Any suggestions you have will be gratefully received. RolandR 23:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
revert wars
[edit]sound advice ابو علي 15:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Revolutionär Sozialistischer Bund
[edit]Why cut the link to the de.wikipedia? It might be useful for some people... --Duncan 13:08, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- Hello Duncan. From my experience on Wiki, this seems to be common practice to have the interwiki link in bottom of the left column - as we also do on the RSB article. So the link is not cut, but not as highlighted. I just considered the edit as minor formatting. If you prefer it the other way I will not object. Cheers Bertilvidet 14:58, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
It appears you misunderstood my comment
[edit]I noticed you modified my comment to make it appear I was repying to myself here Talk:Fourth International#Commie Propaganda Article [4]. I presume you thought I was replying to my earlier comment with an additional point. In fact, my intention was to make an additional comment in reply to the original comment by Scott Adler. As such, I have changed back my comment to be in line with the comment I was responding to. In future, if you believe someone has made a mistake, it is better to contact that person first Nil Einne 07:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Sparts on Wikipedia
[edit]Given the previous discussions with an ICFI-supporting editor, I thought that you might be interested in this article in their latest Workers Vanguard. Warofdreams talk 02:25, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Imperialism
[edit]For now, I'll leave the reversal of my overhaul of the "Imperialism" section in the "Leninism" article on ice. The reason why I edited it in the first place was to standardize any section in any imperialism-related article that pertained to Lenin's stuff. Already I have done that for Imperialism, Anti-imperialism, and Theories of New Imperialism. Darth Sidious 23:33, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Stanley Krippner
[edit]I don't know what the category "Psychedelic proponents" really means; sounds like a way to get people in trouble. Krippner does lectures on the Shamanic use of psychedelic substances among different cultures, like Ayahuasca and peyote, and is an admirer and former colleague of Leary, McKenna, and Wilson. He definitely supports the idea that these substances can be used in sacramental and beneficial ways, and that the research should not have been made, nor should it remain, illegal. I guess he is as deserving of this category as most of the rest on its list. Knowing him, and having heard him speak several times, I think he'd agree. Rosencomet 18:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
- No, no... I meant labelling people that way in public print sounds like a way to get them in trouble. :-) Rosencomet 18:29, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I noticed your edit summary that you couldn't get this category to appear on the parent page - it is there, but you have to click through onto the second page. Wikipedia, annoyingly, splits the sub-categories between pages as well as the articles when there are lots of members in the category - frustrating not to be able to see all the sub-cats at once, but beyond our power I think! Just thought I'd mention this although you may have worked it out already. Best wishes, Bencherlite 19:45, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
- Don't know, I confess - nothing about it on the Templeton website news section, so I suspect a WP:CRYSTAL problem if no decent source can be found. Bencherlite 19:54, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
RESPECT
[edit]Hi, I changed back to include the support for Solidarity- however I mentioned George Galloway personally as a review of press reports doesn't indicate whether his support is personal or on behalf of the party. Please have a look at wording and the ref and respond if you diasgree or can improve. Thanks Thunderwing 17:37, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
merging Fourth International
[edit]again, I will be working in my free time in the next few days to deliver a draft of a MERGED ARTICLE, but for the meantime, you can help a LOT if you can point out communities that departed from the bulk of the Fourth International to form their own association, it would be great if we have the date and cause of their divergence, THANKS
and also, which of these groups actually claim to be THE 4th int'l, Thanks
Medieval Universities and Catholic church
[edit]Please check the discussion page of Catholic Church regarding your edit on medieval universities and the photo. Thanks. :) Rabadur 10:22, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Unsigned comment on Columbia
[edit]Duncan: I added the Certificate in Business Excellence because, at Columbia, completing the program grants you full alumni status. You receive all of the benefits of an MBA grad, sans the degree. Since there are no other executive education programs at an Ivy League school that grant alumni status, it will not result in a clutter, or any more entries.
Komintern
[edit]Hi, please have a look at ongoing discussion on Talk:Comintern. --Soman 14:10, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
GMAT
[edit]It was extremely generous of you to offer help. But I think I am doing ok, since I am going back to my old school. So as long as I score decently on GMAT I should be fine. Hm, London Business School, that would be far more than awesome, but it's a bit too pricy for my taste :) Renata 18:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
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yeah sorry about that. It's just that I know that almost all of their members are students, not workers. It's therefore just an SA member being pretentious by claiming rthat they are heavily composed of workers. Apollo1986 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Apollo1986 (talk • contribs) 03:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
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[edit]why did you delete my sentence from the second paragraph of the background section. I am still pretty new at editing wikipedia articles and would like to know if that edit violated any standards. Thank You. User:Jimmy da tuna 19:34, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- Hi Jimmy. I left a edit summary to explain that the view was POV. --Duncan (talk) 09:34, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
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There are a lot of Faculties of Humanities, and Wikipedia is a world-wide encyclopedia. May I suggest you change the title to "Faculty of Humanities, University of Manchester" or similar? As long as the target title is not in use, you can do that with the "Move" tab at the top of the page. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 17:31, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
International Marxist Group
[edit]You are more than welcome. I could add the full list to the article if you think it would improve it
User:Kusala1952 —Preceding comment was added at 10:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
IV Brasil
[edit]Hi,
I just find you in the article Fourth International, and I realised that you mainly wrought the article. I'm a Socialist milititant of the FI in Brasil. I translated to Portuguese the english/french article:
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/IV_Internacional
Hugs
Duda —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.130.3.103 (talk) 18:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
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[edit]User: Political Dweeb has a second question which I think I've previously asked.
It's if this is the political position of Trotskyism then which Trotskyist internationals and groups believe in this idea of opposing the idea of forcing the world to exist without all of its religions but also believe in the natural end of religion's existence?
I hope my questions are suitable and constructive.Political Dweeb (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.235.228.121 (talk) 12:34, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
User: Political Dweeb wants to give an explanation. Thank you Duncan even though Wikipedia may not be the place to discuss this I still wanted to ask you about this article of Lenin's. I tried to read and understand what it was generally saying and its relevance to the ideology of Trotskyism. I think what its saying is that with the relationship between religion and socialism people who believe in Trotskyism therefore don't believe that religion's existence will naturally end but that there will be a "Complete separation of Church and State is what the socialist proletariat demands of the modern state and the modern church."
Apart from that I think Trotskite socialists possibly believe in "Everyone must be absolutely free to profess any religion he pleases, or no religion whatever, i.e., to be an atheist, which every socialist is, as a rule" and that religious societies and churches "should become absolutely free associations of like-minded citizens, associations independent of the state."
I think this is what the ideology called Trotskyism of political organisations, parties, movements etc believe in. Please let me know if this is true. I apologise for this being a long explanation but I was only trying to understand the connection between Lenin's article and the ideology of Troskyism. Please let me know if what I have said should be improved thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Political Dweeb (talk • contribs) 14:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC) BJBot (talk) 05:02, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
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[edit]User: Political Dweeb here is sorry to bring this topic up again but you do not seem to have answered the paragraph under the article "Political Dweeb's reply". I don't know whether you wanted not to answer it because you'd didn't want to discuss it or it was that you just didn't notice the paragraph.
What I wanted to ask you was about the second reply you gave me on Trotskyism and religion on my Users: discussion page, when you said "Marxists are for religious freedom and for the separation of church and state. However, we also think that religion will wither away slowly under socialism."
Do you mean that is what Trotskyites as well as Marxists believe in? Apart from that would Trotskyites tolerate or accept the ideology of religious communism and socialism? Political Dweeb (talk —Preceding comment was added at 16:14, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
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[edit]Hi Duncan When you have a moment could you go have a look at the "Third Camp" article. I have moved a paragraph to discussion page, and perhaps you know more about it. Johncmullen1960 (talk) 06:23, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
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Trotsky, descent
[edit]Hi DuncanBCS -
I don't have an issue with either wording. Still, I don't understand your explanation. Obviously, in order to be a target of antisemitism (or any other kind of prejudice), it is not necessary to be something (whatever that is); it is only needed to be perceived as something.
For example, some may think that Georg Cantor may have been a target of antisemitism at some point in his career; certainly, a text from his father is read by some as indicating that possibility. Now, Cantor is a predominantly Jewish name, but Cantor's ancestors turn out to be particularly hard to trace. (He himself was a Protestant theologian whose father and whose mother happened to be a Protestant and a Catholic, respectively.) Does this mean that Cantor could not possibly have been a target of antisemitism? No.
At the end, what we have to be careful about is the following. Antisemitism (and other forms of racial and racial-like prejudice) defines its targets in a certain way. It is best to report on the effect that antisemitism had on this or that historical figure, without falling into the trap of defining this or that historical figure as antisemitism does.
Of course, somebody can be a target from antisemitism *and* come from a strongly Judaic background that it might eventually be worth mentioning, but that does not seem to be Trotsky's case.
On a different subject - antisemitism was certainly a factor in White Russian propaganda against Trotsky, but Stalin's hatred for Trotsky may have preceded his descent into antisemitism (and other forms of paranoia). It does not seem to be the case that Stalin was antisemitic in his youth, though he was never forcefully opposed to antisemitism. Feketekave (talk) 20:53, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Trotsky
[edit]Photos of the theft
a photo of the grave from the rear (where the door is)
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cdssQZkesk...200/trot06.jpg
a photo of the grave from the front
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/32/54...g?v=1129919094
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- The first two photos could be anything. The last two links are broken. But Wikipedia uses evidence, not original research. --Duncan (talk) 07:31, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Cannon and the SWP
[edit]Duncan, I'm not sure the fact that the SWP self-identifies as 'Cannon's party' and publishes some (expensive) editions of his works is decisive. The question is to what extent the SWP/Pathfinder tendency are a continuation of Cannon's or indeed Trotskyist politics. As you know, in the 1980's they explicitly rejected many aspects of those politics, expelled the surviving Cannonites, split from the USFI and later formed links with North Korea. In the 1990's, they declared that the only revolutionary forces in the world were themselves, the Cuban CP and the ANC. How does any of that make them 'Cannonite'? Under Barnes, they have clearly evolved into another species of political organisation that Cannon would neither have joined nor survived long in if he had. Haldraper (talk) 08:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think that's the question. The continuity of 'Cannonism' isn't the sort of article we could have in Wikipedia (and who in the SWP called themselves Cannonites, that's really just for the AWL). Cannon founded the SWP, The Militant and Pioneer/Pathfinder. They don't only publish his books, they identify as the continuity of his struggle to maintain communist continuity in the United States. One can't have an article on Cannon without referring to them. --Duncan (talk) 08:33, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not against mentioning them, just having a link that implies today's SWP stands in the same political tradition as Cannon.Haldraper (talk) 15:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
- In so far as you and I do, so do they. --Duncan (talk) 22:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not against mentioning them, just having a link that implies today's SWP stands in the same political tradition as Cannon.Haldraper (talk) 15:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Reunified FI
[edit]Hi Duncan, as per the discussion on its talk page, are you OK for this to be renamed 'Fourth International (1963)'?Haldraper (talk) 09:02, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
- Duncan, rather than revert the move and then reopen the debate on the talk page, could you expain why you object to 'Fourth International (1963)' and prefer a name - 'Reunified FI' - which no-one, including the FI itself, uses?Haldraper (talk) 10:57, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
- Looking at the main FI page again, I'm convinced the extra page on the USFI/Reunified FI after 1963 is unnecessary and the material not already on the main page could easily be transferred to it. The only other pages would then be those who did not take part in the reunification or split later, i.e. Posadists, ICFI, Lambertists, Pabloites, Morenoites.Haldraper (talk) 17:11, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, that's a better solution. --Duncan (talk) 07:59, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
RSL and FI
[edit]Duncan, as I understand it, the Grant group were expelled from the FI at the same time they were expelled from its British section - Healy's Club - in 1950. The Club was the FI's British section up to the split in 1953 (when the Lawrence-Lane faction in the Club who supported Pablo-Mandel joined the CP). The Grantites formed the ISG before fusing with supporters of the ISFI in Britain as the RSL in 1957 and were then recognised as an official section. I would therefore argue that the predecessors of the RSL as the BSFI were the Club between 1950-53 and there was no official section of the ISFI between 1953 and when the RSL was recognised as such.Haldraper (talk) 17:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
- You are mistaken. Lawrence was a delegate from the British section at the Fourth World congress organised by the IS and, after he walked out, co-operation developed very quickly with the Grant group. --Duncan (talk) 00:12, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
- I think you're right but for the wrong reasons. It is true to say that the BS of the ISFI led by Lawrence in 1953-54 was the RSL's predecessor as the official section but there was a gap between 1954-57 when the ISFI didn't have a section in Britain. Their supporters who produced the 'FI' magazine and fused with Grantites in 1956 as the RSL weren't recognised as an official section until the fifth world congress in 1957.Haldraper (talk) 13:47, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
FI/USFI
[edit]Duncan, I've rewritten the FI page to include a detailed history post reunification and moved the 'FI (post-63)' page to 'USFI (63-03)' as a historical stub, let me know what you think.Haldraper (talk) 17:02, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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re "offtopic ... let's keep it sweet" remark at Talk:Bob Ainsworth. I'd ask you to delete the remark, as it's not only wrong (given that Clockback is Hitchens, and the source under discussion is Hitchens) but also implied I'd made a personal attack, which was entirely not the case. I was merely highlighting a point Clockback may well be unaware of (WP:DEADLINE). Rd232 talk 13:50, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Proletarian Military Policy
[edit]Duncan, I think it was the last version that was highly misleading by implying that the Marxist position before the PMP was one of individual abstention/draft resistance rather than going with the class into the armed forces. The real debate about the PMP as I tried to show with my edits was whether raising such demands, for e.g. that the State fund trade union-controlled miltary training, meant taking political responsibility for what both sides in the debate characterised as an imperialist war. I think that point is borne out by the fact that the Trotskyist groups in the US and Britain who supported the PMP - the SWP, WIL - and those that opposed it - WP, RSL - all instructed their members to submit to conscription, as indeed they would have done in WWI to encourage fraternisation etc.Haldraper (talk) 15:22, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
- I've had a go at making Proletarian Military Policy more NPOV, let me know what you think/whether we can remove POV tag.Haldraper (talk) 19:20, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
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[edit]The only talk on the ISR Talk Page are two robot posts; ergo, if anybody is concerned about the contents of that page they have not been using that particular venue. So if someone has a concern, they can hit my talk page or email me, at their pleasure. I see that you have chosen the talk page, which is fine. Now I am alerted that there is concern and will be on the discussion page of the article in question.
Sorry that you took things the wrong way. Carrite (talk) 16:37, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
- I don't understand how consensus can be developed using your inbox, rather than the article's Talk pages. If this is the method you normally use editing facebook, then there are some risks that the discussion on content is not collectivised, or becomes a discussions between two people. I see that you use user pages much more than Talk pages. Perhaps that's worth discussing over with a few people wo have been editing Wikipedia for longer? --Duncan (talk) 16:43, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not quite a 90-percenter writing on mainpages, but it's an aspiration of mine to make the grade as a couple of my WP role models are. Time spent on things like this two-plus day extravaganza discussing a move that you yourself advocated nearly four years ago is time lost writing. That's a huge loss when similar multiplied by the 5,000 or however many heavy WP volunteers there are in the English Wikipedia.
- Back to the topic at hand, will you acknowledge that we have basic consensus on the question brooked at Talk:International Socialist Review? If not, please do state your case on the talk page there and we'll bring in as many people as you'd like to help us make the call. I put out the call to the Socialist History workgroup this morning, using neutral phrasing on the question. I'm not certain if you seek further participation than that. Please do let me know and we'll take the discussion broader than it sits now if you desire... Carrite (talk) 00:29, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Fifth Socialist International
[edit]Where's the source saying there was a Cuban misinterpretation? Kjk2.1 (talk) 13:03, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
- In my inbox, and on facebook. Until it's published elsewhere I won't add it to the article. But we can't add a blog as a single source to say that the meeting will happen. --Duncan (talk) 13:46, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
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[edit]Hi, Just to let you know I removed some perjorative edits from the opening paras of the Trotskyism article, (noted in discussion) and subsequently added some pictures from the wiki commons. They [the edits] were very poor quality yet they got through the automatically accepted thingy, which is worrying.Andysoh (talk) 21:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
International Socialist Review
[edit]Hi, I split the ISR into three because each has nothing to do with one another. Merge the stubs into their respective parties pages if you like - but Carrite, Warofdreams, Apjohns54, Ironholds, Soman all agreed with splitting it, with only you opposing. You also say "All three versions of the ISR reflect the views of revolutionary socialist organisations based on classical Marxism" which is certainly not the case for the latter two from the Trotskyist tradition.--Darrelljon (talk) 13:01, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
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[edit]Hi. I understand from Talk:Fourth Internationalist Tendency that you used to write for Bulletin in Defense of Marxism. I'd appreciate it if you could answer this question for me: how are the Fourth International Caucus and the online paper Labor Standard? I'm pretty sure that they both have roots in the FIT, but I wasn't sure if one was a split from the other, if they're separate, or if they're one and the same (since FIC doesn't appear to have a website). Thanks for your time. 173.48.69.93 (talk) 01:03, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
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[edit]Duncan, thank you for the improvement on our page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Business_School However the QS University Rankings: EECA 2015 is actually a subsection of the QS World University Rankings, whihc is the overall term See : http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings I use your observation and will try to make this point clear in my edit Pierre Hugot (talk) 14:01, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
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Nomination of Trotskyist International Liaison Committee for deletion
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Nomination of Fourth International (ICR) for deletion
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