User talk:Drmies/Archive 76

I believe the common denominator of the universe is not harmony, but chaos, hostility, and murder.

Ee Jeeva Ninagagi - another infobox-only stub

The problem continues. How can we encourage this editor to start to include some text in their new stubs? And preferably a source, too. Any thoughts? You were one of the three editors at ANI who seemed to understand the problem. (I'll also leave this message with Noyster and NE Ent). PamD 12:30, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your helpful message to the editot concerned. I think there's a typo in the first sentence: "think" for "thank". I read WP:TPG and can't be sure it allows me to fix it except as IAR. PamD 06:45, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for my tone the other day, but can I ask a genuine question? If there are people willing to jump in and add a lead sentence, stub tags and refs almost immediately, why is this actually a problem? Squinge (talk) 09:30, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) - I've also been trying to help this editor, I suspect an English problem is part of it, and I've linked up two of his earlier articles with their Kannada equivalents via Wikidata. It took me a while to realize via this page that the situation was also at AN/I. As I see it, the problem is that such "articles" are an invitation to tagging for speedy deletion (no context/no claim of notability). Several have met that fate. That's a sad waste of his time and effort. It really is the responsibility of the person who starts an article to make it non-speediable before hitting "save", and you and others may be willing to follow this person around supplying one-sentence identifying text, but you can't be there 24/7, and nor should you be expected to be. And it's primarily him who suffers when one gets so tagged. (And that's apart from the fact this is an extreme case of the substub and there's a longstanding valid argument that those serve readers poorly.) I'd like this editor to feel less beleagured, and I'd like us to have better coverage of non-Hindi Indian films; so I want him to start adding the necessary line of text himself. That also frees you folks up to make more substantial improvements without the threat of speedy deletion, and edit other things too. Yngvadottir (talk) 14:20, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Sure, I understand that, thanks. But from what I've seen, the speedy deletion nominations were actually incorrect - the "no content" rule was not applicable due to the presence of populated infoboxes, "no context" was not applicable because the infobox identified the context, and there is no speedy for "no notability". Squinge (talk) 14:54, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Squinge et alia, thanks for dropping by. This infobox question, I remember "prepping" for it while thinking about RfA, and I come down on the side of those who think that an infobox alone can make a claim of importance to stave off speedy deletion--but it kind of depends on the subject, of course. Now, people jumping in is a great thing, but if that doesn't happen, and one of those stubs gets nominated (dozens of them were) then you get a frustrated contributor and frustrated taggers who don't see why a speedy on something really sub-par is denied; frustration all around. Beyond that I have nothing to add to what Yngvadottir already said so well, and I hope that BKPATIL1234 will listen and write that sentence, or a couple of them, if only because they know the stuff much better than most everyone here. But more in general, "incommunicativeness" is considered a valid reason to block, though it's reserved only for very serious cases, of which this may well be one: I really hope it doesn't go that far, because in the case of someone willing to contribute that's a terrible thing to do. Drmies (talk) 15:13, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I hope he responds too, but if not then I think it would be a shame to lose someone who was helping fill in a sparsely-covered area. It might be a lack-of-English thing, but that will always afflict non-English topic areas, and I was just thinking that an editor who knows how to identify the films and their key details (but may not have the English to actually write sentences) plus an English editor who is happy to add a few words was a nice combination. Anyway, I'll leave it at that, and hope for a positive outcome. Thanks all for your thoughts. Squinge (talk) 16:43, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Procedure to report WP:VOA

What is the procedure for reporting and blocking a WP:VOA? Please see the following User_talk:Kkjoeljube. Thx in advance. Atsme☯^Consult 16:19, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

@Atsme:: WP:AIV. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:06, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Hell breaking loose

Venus Chastising Cupid - Google Art Project.jpg

Revert wars and bizarre (lack of ) "control" on the Arbcom GGTF stuff, weird things at LB's page, even weirder things at Jimbo's page (some IP appealing a ban at the moment but other issues also recently), all hell breaking loose at various other pages that fly past my watchlist and on WMF mailing lists. Plus the seemingly never-ending India Against Corruption thing that has spread across numerous lawyers and WMF projects. The place seems to be imploding at the moment. You're more experienced and sensible than me: has it ever been this rough before, in your experience, or is it just that I'm in the wrong place at the wrong time? Will it end? - Sitush (talk) 02:53, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

It will end for sure Sitush. It may not means beans to anyone else but I've been impressed with your bearing through the case and you have my respect for it. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 02:56, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

American Holiday weekend. Many admins offline or too stuffed to be much use. NE Ent 02:58, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Aha, of course, Ent, although some of these issues predate Thanksgiving by quite a while. HiaB, your respect is appreciated but unfortunately it ain't going to make any difference and a part of my soul has gone. I'm going to have a lie down in a dark room. I don't even want to look at Gamergate and the other firestorms that are going on but I do hope that those who are currently too stuffed to be much use get back here soon because - excusing the wordplay - I'm fed up. - Sitush (talk) 03:15, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Also happy to help with IAC issues as they pop up. And a couple of days off for US Thanksgiving is nothing compared to the full 60 day version. -- Euryalus (talk) 04:36, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

• Sorry if I missed all the action. I was making some redirects and blocking some socks (still gotta pay the bills). Sitush, don't tell me I'm more experienced--that's just your way of saying I'm old. I don't know. We do have a lot of ... something going on. But I tell you what, and I've been spreading this message of reticence in various places, who cares? Who cares about what happens on Jimbo's talk page or in Lightbreather's sandbox? (I'm not even looking at that talk page, not until after I get that dozen roses delivered.) I never use my watchlist, and are you also reading WMF mailing lists, whatever those are? Dude, if you only had a Twitter feed... Ent, I can't wait till you pass your RfA (Hobit is co-nominating, I understand), and I get to dump all this on you. Oh, Sitush, I'll be glad to help with obvious IAC mishaps, of course. Drmies (talk) 04:10, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

• Sitush, which GGTF pages? There's eight ArbCom pages alone. Drmies (talk) 04:13, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
  • OK, I saw that Neotarf got indeffed for outing, and they were apparently headed for a ban anyway. Tutelary got topic banned earlier, of course. Well, that's certainly exciting. What the hell was Neotarf thinking? I just looked at their last 1000 edits, and there appear to be four (4) that are article edits. Oh yeah, now I remember: they slammed me for not fussing at a certain person for having said a naughty word. Ah well. Drmies (talk) 04:27, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

• You also missed the continued sagas of LB socking and see her block get extended by another week. I'm sorry but this was such a moving request I couldn't help but look at it in incredulity [[1]] requesting that we [[2]] do what she did and was reverting?? Hell in a Bucket (talk) 04:30, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

• What can I say. TParis misreads my comment as "snide", but apparently I had wronged Lightbreather already. I think Gaijin, North8000, and others know what I did for her and some of her causes. Drmies (talk) 04:42, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

• Can't help thinking that some women widened the gender gap they proclaimed to close, - we others are left who didn't even see a gap --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:48, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

• Oh, I see a gap alright, many gaps of different kinds and at different levels. I just don't think that some alleged overdose of naughty words is to blame for it. If there's an old boys' network it won't be defeated by removing the beer cooler. Drmies (talk) 17:33, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

• Not able to bridge the gap between those who want to name a piece of music as its creator did (and the people see who hold the music in their hands, read reviews and most of the reliable sources) and those who insist that house style is not to be sacrificed, I translated A Boy was Born, as my Christmas gift to the German Wikipedia. No other languages yet for unsentimental Christmas music ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:22, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

• Tparis later classified my posting to a SPI about clean start as disruptively wikilawyering when I was asking legitimate questions. I think it's good that those other oeditors have some sort of advoocate but I'd prefer a different approach. This is the latest request from lightbreather who appears to want company [3] Hell in a Bucket (talk) 04:45, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

• Well, at least the Broncos won. Let's face it, TParis's club has terrible taste in colors anyway. I'd go and block you, HIAB, but I already met my quota. Drmies (talk) 04:53, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

• They did win but what the hell happened to the offense in the fourth quarter. And btw thank you occifer I'm not as think as you drunk I am!. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 04:55, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

"government-certified as a spamblocker"?

Some of my libertarian friends would be horrified (albeit not surprised). --Orange Mike | Talk 13:40, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

• Tell 'em I didn't say which government. And thanks for your service! (Maybe that'll horrify them too...) Drmies (talk) 14:59, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

horrified (albeit not surprised)

the eternal feminine? eternal masculine / now why is this red. Eh? Hafspajen (talk) 14:40, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Action required

• I've had an AIV report on an IP open for 6 hours, and in that time, the IP has broken 3RR and is beginning to make a mess elsewhere as well. At the risk of forum shopping as this is now the third venue I've asked for help from (AIV and AN3 requests open), could you go and sort it out please, and preferably revert the latest edit at Skoda Octavia, as being yet another factually inaccurate edit that is now basically vandalism? I'm at 3 reverts there myself, and don't want to revert, and have a well-meaning admin to spot it, not look closely enough, and then block me. Also, I'm seriously fed up of chasing this IP around and reverting their rubbish, as I've had to in the last 24 hours. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 17:44, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
• C.Fred has already done your will--thanks. Drmies (talk) 18:09, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

• Well, not quite my will, but I hope someone is willing to pull the trigger straight away if their dodgy edits continue (though I'd much rather it happen now; this IP shows no signs of discussing things). Really, really frustrated about having to keep this rubbish out of articles. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 18:14, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

• Maybe not entirely your will, but I have no doubt C.Fred will check that box if it continues. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 18:23, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

• Hate to say I told you so, but, well, the IP went and made another inaccurate mess after that note (this time on Jeremy Clarkson's favourite, the Opel Vectra... although you may well not get that joke). At least C Fred should be keeping an eye out when I go out in 20 minutes (running a Uni society film night), and I would imagine it is now literally one strike and then bye-bye unhelpful IP, at least for now. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 18:26, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

• Hate to say I told you so but I already blocked them, even before I saw this. :) No, I don't get that joke, but I think all those guys on that show are d***s; I suppose that's their part to play. Enjoy your evening! Drmies (talk) 18:28, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

• IP is back again, doing exactly the same shit as before. Reported to AIV (again), just giving you a head's up. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 17:55, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Already blocked by HJ Mitchell (while I was in Nigeria). Please give me the linked IP next time so I don't have to click around so much. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 18:10, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

• Oops, sorry - had forgotten that I didn't include it here in the first place! Tis 90.217.221.63, for future reference. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 18:11, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

• Latest head's up: IP, after getting a month-long block, has now clearly returned as 94.6.38.156 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). Same ISP, same MO, same sort of vandalism, same preferred articles with some slight changes in the exact disruption caused. So now we need to keep an eye out for IP hopping... *sigh* Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 15:18, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Some Dutch apple pie for you!

Dutch apple pie is a rich, sweet pastry made of Dutch apple and pie pastry filled with raisins, sliced almonds, firm sweet apple and finely chopped candied ginger, chopped nuts and sweetened with syrup or honey. Hafspajen (talk) 19:09, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I would like to offer you something sweet for your service, - pointing you to delightful work: copy-editing this beauty, as requested on DYK, for the giver of the pie. Sweetly, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:44, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Bacon Wrapped Turkey

	Culinary Aficionado!
	A little something I thought you might appreciate. It was delicious by the way and impressed my family and neighbors... :) Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 20:12, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Ah!! The delicious Main course arrived! Only thing is missing now is a cup of coffee. Hafspajen (talk) 20:23, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

• Holy moly, you made that? How many pounds of bacon? Don't tell Kelapstick; it might give him ideas, and I worry about his health. Drmies (talk) 20:28, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

It's literally one strip short of 2 pounds of apple wood smoked bacon. I made two complete weaves (12 slices each) to fully cover the 22 lb bird. I'm thinking a Bacon Explosion next. The bacon was a multi-pack from Costco, so I still have a bunch... :) --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 21:01, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

K-stick took a bunch of those photos in that article; he's definitely the expert. I think he grilled it, though I wonder what all that phat dripping off that log of pork will do on the fire. Drmies (talk) 21:30, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I use indirect heat and place a pan to catch dripping underneath, but for a BacEx "loaf" I'm considering using a roasting pan (like I did with the turkey) and a roasting rack so that it does not "sit in bacon grease" and effectively deep fry (over cook) the bottom. I tell ya what, these Big Green Egg Kamado thingamijigs are the best contraption, ever...! :)

	139 Irish coffee
	Some delicious Irish coffee for you! The meal is complete now. ... Why don't you use your Archive pages? Hafspajen (talk) 21:42, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Epic Meal Time. That is all. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:07, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Oh, well, not really - Turkey meat is generally considered healthy, apple pie is better than let's say buns and muffins - because apples and dried fruits and nut are healthy - and the fat from cream is nowadays reconsidered as not overly dangerous, the body needs fat - lots of things heed that to function properly, your skin for example that's one. Actually eating a tot off carbohydrates is worse because they don't contain any nutrients or fibers - and that in the long run is genuinely no good. A little salad could have off been served with it... but do we have give salad template? Hafspajen (talk) 12:40, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

You can always make your own. I don't care for turkey at all. One of my favorite meals this past week was when I served three vegetables, including sauted beet greens. Yesterday I made some bacon-wrapped jalapenos (with queso inside) but it was a rush job and remarkably tasteless, bland. I was sad. Drmies (talk) 15:15, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

When I make my version, I butterfly the jalapenos, slather in cheese on one side, and fill the other with pulled pork or shredded cooked chicken mixed with BBQ sauce before the bacon wrap. It adds some nice flavor. I also semi-blanch my jalapenos while removing the seeds and innards. It reduces the "heat and bite" of the pepper a bit and lets the flavors of the other ingredients come through. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 18:17, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

MMMmm, sounds nice. Hafspajen (talk) 07:26, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

It's a little time consuming and I have to wear a get-up that looks akin to a hazmat suit, but my wife and I specifically get requests to bring my version to parties, picnics, and such. Our friends just can't get enough of these things. I'm contemplating a non-pepper version for our friends with capsaicin allergies. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 14:17, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

I just seeded them; they weren't all that spicy. What was missing was salt (and queso is of course completely tasteless) and other flavoring. I thought the bacon would take care of that but it didn't. We have a restaurant in town that serves 'em and they're delicious; another has roasted jalapenos in soy sauce. Both are delicious. Drmies (talk) 15:15, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Oh wow, jalapenos and soy sauce, what an interesting combination... :) I'll have to play around with that. Speaking of soy, try it on slices of avocado, delicious! --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 20:32, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Darkriku101

Hey there Drmies, User Darkriku101 is starting to do active sanction reverts here and here as they also did here and here and here and here. Thinking a talk page block might be in order since they don't seem to contest the blocks. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:58, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

• Sure thing--done (thanks Discospinster). But don't go around reverting if it's useless: just leave it to one of us. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 06:20, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Aight. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:03, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Procedural questions

Hi Drmies, I have a couple of procedural questions for you when you get a chance. As relatively new user, there are some things I’m not sure of and would appreciate admin advice/input before proceeding:

First, in an arbitration enforcement request, are we allowed to invite others to contribute? I’m facing topic ban in topic area of abortion [4] for making a revert to the Becky Bell article restoring previous version by user GodBlessYou2. Can GodBlessYou2 be invited to contribute to the discussion, or can only the complaining editor invite editors to contribute? I feel a little on edge as it looks as if I’m facing serious sanctions for an unintentional misstep, so I’m nervous about possibly making another misstep in an arena that I do not understand. I’ve never participated in an arbitration complaint before and do not know the protocol regarding who can participate.

Second, regarding the RfC I started on talk: 2014 Isla Vista Killings [5] I think given the history and contentious nature of dispute (multiple edit wars and article being locked down regarding dispute multiple times) that only an admin closing would be accepted. Since the RfC has completed, can I post a notice to WP:AN asking uninvolved admin to close it, or is there some system where someone will get around to closing it eventually and I should just leave it alone? Thanks.--BoboMeowCat (talk) 15:09, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

• Hey Bobo, thanks for your questions. Unfortunately I don't have much time right now and my wiki desk is a bit full. First, for the ArbCom procedure, I'm really the last person to ask--I think NE Ent, for instance, knows that much better than I do, but I have no doubt that there are plenty of talk page stalkers who can help you with this (and I appreciate their help). Second, yes, there is such a system, but if you look at how many RfCs need closing (they're listed on AN) you see that we have some problems there. Oh, Isla Vista--I've looked at that before. Yes, contentious RfCs can often require an admin's authoritay; I don't mind looking at it but it might take me a day or two. In the meantime, relax and enjoy the weather (it's nice here), and maybe an admin will have taken care of it by lunch time. Drmies (talk) 15:13, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
  • You ping me to come tell you're wrong?? -- actually there was a Feb 2013 RFC some troublemaker started Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Archive_12#Review that mostly said admin / non-admin closure of content RFCs are equivalent; I just stuck a footnote on WP:RFC to annotate this. NE Ent 02:54, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
    • Ha, Ent--I used "require" not in the sense of "required by policy", but in the larger sense of practicality and expedience. Now please help poor Bobo out with their ArbCom case, will you? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:00, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
      • Gave it, a shot, but ain't looking good. Third and long Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Result_concerning_BoboMeowCat (that's a football thing, right?) NE Ent 02:21, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Drmies and NE Ent. Your input/assistance was greatly appreciated--BoboMeowCat (talk) 23:59, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Others edit my edits

Where is that part do not edit others edits? Somebody simply removed something I added and now refuses to add it back. Hafspajen (talk) 18:04, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath for that... Drmies (talk) 04:48, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

It may take a long time to happen, or it may never happen. Hafspajen (talk) 07:30, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

PXE

Hi; I just noticed some disruptive editing at PXE's talk page made by IP 77.125.115.28. He answers over others members inputs. I'd like to reverts his editing but that implies consecutive undo commands; I think admins can do this easier than just regular users like me. When you get a minute I appreciate if you can help me with this. Hopefully the IP will later post his comments in a neater way. Thanks Pxe 213 37 84 214 (talk) 20:13, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

I've already done it; Thanks Pxe 213 37 84 214 (talk) 20:25, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

• Sorry, but you know that I really have neither expertise on nor inclination toward this topic... Drmies (talk) 22:44, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Still slogging

So I haven't edited in ages ... still slogging in the software development and implementation world. First semester winding down. Tell me if this is familiar: students will not do the work, but will not drop the class. I scold, I cajole, I sternly shout "Learn!" three times at them. I never had to deal with this at Yale. Is this what it would be like if I decided to come back into the fold?

(And best wishes to the Drmies family and Drmies' talk page folks: I miss working with you all.)  davidiad { t } 04:15, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

• Yes. This is how it is. :) Drmies (talk) 04:17, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Okay ... then I'm out. I already told them I had to think about taking on a greater course load. Private sector, here I come. How've things been?  davidiad { t } 04:19, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
    • Messy. Private sector pay is better anyway. What would a "greater" teaching load be? I've been told students can't drop classes because they'll lose their federal aid--rocks and hard places (and frequently a lack of work ethic). I read a few articles on how the languages fare in Dutchland, and it's no good there either. (Sorry, I forgot where you wuz working at.)

      I haven't been writing much here anyway and being an admin is a bit boring too sometimes. Maybe I'm just jaded. At work I had to undergo some sort of internet security training: dumbest hour I've ever wasted, and I had to log into the main campus website to do it--where I didn't have a password anymore and my account was disabled for lack of activity and I couldn't find the phone number for the person I had to talk to because our email was down and then I couldn't call them because we have to punch in seven secret numbers to make a long-distance call since I have no cell phone reception in my office. You get the picture. But I struck back by writing down my new password on a piece of paper which I left on my desk--that'll show them! Hey, stick around, write an article. What else are you going to do? Colbert will be off the air soon... Drmies (talk) 04:44, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

      • Sorry for the messy. And good for you with the IT security passive aggressiveness. I looked at what private sector resources that do what I do bill at an hour ... obscene. I spent the evening tonight going to art exhibitions for the work of a few of my students. That sort of interaction is something I've missed and will miss. They were so engaged with each other and their audience and thrilled to have the opportunity. Smart young people that age just need a touch of attention and affirmation and they grow intellectually and socially like weeds.  davidiad { t } 05:09, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Computer Engineer Barbie has been nominated for Did You Know

am the gummy rat - Bgwhite STOP don't - ^{Photo Credits: Atelier Ted Noten, Turbo Princess, 1995, Amsterdam, The Netherlands. Photography: Atelier Ted Noten.}

Hafspajen, I just noticed this vile song and I'll assume it was your evil doing. I had a slight headache... oh my head, the pain. I will get even. You are the gummy rat. Bgwhite (talk) 20:15, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Why don't you READ that WARNING especially constructed for YOU, baby? Hafspajen (talk) 20:26, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Vick 'n' Alb

Has someone hacked their database? Or is this the real person? (You said you were getting bored) Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 10:33, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Turned out to be some crappy educational network- anyone can add themselves to the staff of the museum. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 11:15, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Ha, I know what you're talking about, I think--Crisco 1492, my hesitation ("real person/impersonation") was based in part on that connection: a real person (now three) had linked or followed our imposter's profile. Thanks X, Drmies (talk) 15:12, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

X has been naughty. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 15:30, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

I see now, naughty X, that naughty Drmies did not read the second (non-struck) part of your comment. Yes, thanks. But why do you say you're naughty? Did you develop an interest in Deformation Quantization, maybe? Drmies (talk) 16:50, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Erm, erm… M. now has a blond blue-eyed brother with an interest in old swords. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 21:10, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Latke-Hamantash Debate

Hey Drmies. Been starting work on this event to get it toward GA. Also, it's a pretty lively and hilarious debate to witness if you're ever in Chicago in late November. One debater noted that as a chemist, there is a serious flaw with [an initial experiment], and that is that it does not involve any explosions. and then proceeded to fire a potato out of a cannon. (They cover that in Talmudic studies somewhere, I'm sure.) Anyway, another editor and I are thinking about moving some of the content to a list, either a list of actual events or a list of debate participants and their arguments given that they've been covered decently in RS. See this discussion. Not sure that trying to capture everything in prose on the main article is the best idea here, but I thought I'd ask for a second opinion. I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 18:32, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Robert J. Silbey is guilty of the WP:GOOGLEHITS fallacy, which explains why his name is redlinked. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:50, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Well, that sure sounds exciting. GA...I hope you noted the dangling modifier in the sentence you quoted... I'll have a look, after lunch and other old-man things (Cullen knows what I mean). Drmies (talk) 19:03, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

• Haha, that opening sentence alone is funny. Cullen, did you get your well-deserved old-man nap? I got a little bit of it--never enough. BTW, latkes--delicious! You know what, I might just make those right now, since I needed a dinner idea anyway. Drmies (talk) 22:32, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
• "Noting that 'The silence of a wise man is always meaningful', she comes to the conclusion that Machiavelli was Jewish, and like all wise people, for the latke." That's priceless--I wish I could have been silent and be mistaken for wise. Drmies (talk) 22:37, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

• Cullen328, I couldn't decide so I made them both for dinner tonight. I'll quote my colleague from Facebook: "It's Purim already? OK, let's get drunk, make a lot of noise, and eat Hamantaschen!" Drmies (talk) 23:41, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
  • As for the nap, yes, thank you, I just woke up. As for your menu, you are late for Purim and early for Hanukkah, so splitting the difference, it's just right. As for your friend's quote, a woman the other day said the first time she visited a synagogue, it was Purim and she was amazed at the jollity and the open bar. A few years went by, and she found herself Jewish. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:57, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
    • Haha, that could just be my friend's wife's story you're telling. Was this set in Iowa, Indiana, or some other state starting with "I" and ending with "-corn"? Drmies (talk) 02:24, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
      • No, this is a California, specifically Napa Valley, anecdote. That's my stomping ground. As for states starting with "I", as a Michigan child, friends of my parents had to move to Iowa for career reasons. Something about a corporation saying "do this right now". Half a century later, I can remember the deep disappointment in the wife's voice, and her dramatic intonation as she described their place of exile as "dumb, dry IOWA!" Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:20, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
        • A few years later, I visited Iowa on my own, and found it quite pleasant. Perhaps that is because I was visiting my pen pal at the time, an utterly gorgeous and highly affectionate corn-fed girl. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:25, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Ha Drmies

I think there must have been a misunderstanding this series of edits I performed today only moved out 243a material that had previously been merged in (+ some re-arrangements, among others a leaner table which was something Gerda had suggested some time ago, + some additions/corrections/sourcing that certainly didn't come from 243a). I've asked Gerda to confirm: User talk:Gerda Arendt#Moving out material.

That was my way of showing I abided to the outcome of the closures you performed less than 24H ago, so I hope this misunderstanding can be settled soon. --Francis Schonken (talk) 20:44, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

• I hope this was a misunderstanding. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 22:30, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

User:Demiurge1000

Anyone know why he was globally banned?--Bbb23 (talk) 00:36, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• Maybe Kiefer does. Drmies (talk) 00:41, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
• WMF Legal are involved, so it's probably safer not to speculate on-Wiki; or, at least, it's unlikely that anyone will actually say anything bar WMF Legal on wiki. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 00:48, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• Not speculate? Are you trying to remove one of the few pleasures I have here? Next you'll be telling me not to block someone unless I have a reason.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:06, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Hey, if your trigger finger gets itchy, you can always block me. I've generally done something or other recently which could serve as sufficient justification. John Carter (talk) 01:18, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• Wowzers. Two weeks ago, he asked me on my talk page to run for ArbCom. Lucky for me on so many levels that I declined. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:01, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• Well, I'm waiting on my global network to show up in my inbox. So far there's nothing. Lukeno, no one is speculating here and this talk page, while a happy, chatty, gossipy, and sometimes downright funky place, is also a Place of Great Discretion. Bbb, if you want to block (or, if you want more $20 checks), forget about 3RR and patrol UAA. Look through my recent contributions and you'll see I'm a lot closer to ordering that Ducati. Drmies (talk) 01:19, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

What about this account? I had to look up Ducati.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:27, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• [6]...?--MONGO 01:35, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
  • What link is that, MONGO? (IAR...thanks for pointing it out...) Drmies (talk) 02:20, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Why isn't there a ban notice on his user page? Drmies can you proof Apollo Hotel Amsterdam?♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:58, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• I made a few edits, Ernst. Next up, this--you'll like it, it's a (former) cinema. Drmies (talk) 15:05, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:31, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

That looks nice except so far as I can follow, it has been abused :-( Anyone want to tackle de:Eddy Saller? Die Geißel des Fleisches is Torment of the Flesh in its English version (features a distinguished cabaret artiste whose article I'm trying to save). Yngvadottir (talk) 19:28, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

arbcom posting

Missed a word, I think [7] NE Ent 02:19, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• Well spotted Ent--thank you very much. Drmies (talk) 02:21, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

ANI report

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--Taeyebaar (talk) 02:50, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

(check the bottom of the page)

A beer for you!

Belshazzar's Feast

A Kodiak bear. Hafspajen (talk) 02:57, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• Those are big. Drmies (talk) 03:03, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• Were bears named after beer, or vice versa? By the way, we only have medium sized bears in California. We killed all the big, mean ones, and relegated them to our State Flag. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:12, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

KIlled the beer? .--Hafspajen (talk) 04:05, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• Are American Drinkers Turning Against Beer? Shocking news for beer lovers. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:23, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

A National Catastrophe. Like Belshazzar's Feast. Hafspajen (talk) 14:55, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

An article for you

A Rorschach test: what do you see in this picture?

Dedicated to Mies stormy talk page. ... Snow Storm (painting) ...a stub - Take care of it, because I have to run .. some more text and refs would be nice - or good too have... Hafspajen (talk) 03:44, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• Oh Haf, you know I can't write about art--I wouldn't really know where to start... Drmies (talk) 04:59, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

YOU CAN SPELL!!! YOU KNOW GRAMMAR: you can always find some source AND paraphrase. Hafspajen (talk) 14:53, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• If John Ruskin praised it, who am I to argue? Looks like a predecessor to Impressionism to me. I will take a crack at improving it, in the hope of accumulating some brownie points. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:53, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Very smart, Cullen - it IS a a predecessor to Impressionism! Hafspajen (talk) 14:54, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• In Mike Leigh's Mr. Turner (film) he's lashed to a mast- suppose that could be included in a "Popular Culture" section. The railway locomotive scene is ridiculous (and the photography studio scene as well). Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 07:47, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Yeah. Hafspajen (talk) 14:54, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Adding an article for you perhaps to translate to Dutch: de:Missa, BWV 232 I, on the conductor's birthday ;) - Swedish etc welcome! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:07, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Talking about Swedish: I just found this ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:07, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Followup for you

Drmies, acc to Wikipedia:List of administrators/Active there are 583 active admins. I only criticize those who've gone out of their way to give me shit, which has been about a dozen (or less). (Of the 583, there are only a small handful of obnoxious crass ones that make nuisances of themselves. Perhaps you were confusing my universal dislike with those.) And I tell them directly to leave no doubt re the what & why. (Speaking of, notice it is always *you* who initiates animosity between us. So I presume you can also figure from that how to make it stop. If not, I have no problem leaving messags like this on your Talk, but I'd really rather not have to do.) p.s. Why are you the main supporter of the bad of the baddest admins around here? Have you ever advocated the de-sysop of any admin? Who? Ihardlythinkso (talk) 06:05, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• Well, thank you for your message. I guess I've never seen you say anything nice about an admin. I'm not initiating anything; I'm merely commenting on an ArbCom case where I, in turn, am trying to leave no doubt re the what & why, though in my opinion it's much more of a mixed bag than you claim it is. I don't think that the Panda is the baddest of the bad (to cite the Reverend Horton Heat), and I don't know if I'm his "main supporter", though I did note that the Panda received little support from my colleagues, for whatever reason. As for advocating desysopping, to my recollection this is the first time that I've been present at ArbCom (or other) proceedings about desysopping an admin, so I guess that's a no. If you're fishing for my private opinion about who I think is good and who I think is bad--a. I plead the fifth; b. admins are humans too and prone to error; c. I don't like all of them equally, same as with editors--so? Anyway, thanks for dropping by. Drmies (talk) 06:14, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

  I didn't know I had to go around "complimenting" admins, in order to avoid being charged with ... whatever nasty you charged me with to try and defame and discredit me to others on the Panda Arbcom Evidence page. (Oh, FYI, I have complimented some admins. Do you need to make me work and provide the diffs to you?? Please stop lying about me, Drmies. Please. Then I won't have to come here. [And BTW, you're an educated man, right? So why do you succumb to "shoot the messenger" tacky technique when you edit on Wikipedia? Do I push your buttons to embarrass yourself like that? Are you proud of Kudpung's constant "anti-admin brigade" campaign? Is there any logical difference at all what Kudpung would say, than what you said about me? Even your golden admin-buddy Dennis Brown lied about me in the past, saying "We know what you think. All admin are scum." You guys don't give much care or reflection to your statements and accusations on the WP, do you. The WP culture is crass and hostile. Do you guys who make irresponsible and dishonest statements in effort to underhandedly smear someone, contribute to a civil environment, or the perpetuation and worsening of a hostile and gross environment? If you are an educator, why do I have to propose these thought-questions for you? Perhaps you, Kudpung, Dennis, have been here too long and become sickened by the shitty culture of incivility here. You did initiate, because you tried to slam my reputation, dishonestly. It's amusing to see you try and say you didn't.])

  To satisfy your curiosity, no, I wasn't hinting at anything like you are supposing. You supported Toddst1. Now you support DP. I was just curious if there was ever an admin on the WP, whom you wouldn't support, no matter how bad. (If there is no bottom for your standards, then what the heck is that? Surely you must have seen some admins in your day who pierced the bottom standard of admin conduct per your values. Who? Your answer would simply tell me you have a bottom standard, rather than having none. Until I see you deliver an advocacy for a de-sysop, how would I have any reason to think your standard has no bottom? It's just a logical point, really. Not a gossipy one.) p.s. If you had simply apologized for having tried to defame and smear my reputation with the untrue charge you decided to write on the Arbcom Evidence page, there would be no wall of text here. You're being very nice under the circumstances, compared to your responses to similar messages from me in the past (i.e., "Fuck off my Talk page"). Oh. When I brought up to an admin in WP Email the same thing I brought up to Dennis re recognizing DP's PA against DanielTom as PA, and the admin called me a "mother-fucking asshole", well, when I told that story to you, you critized my hyphenization of that name-call. (To tell the truth, I don't recollect whether that admin hyphenated "mother-fucking", or not. All I know is that as editor, I can report it using editorial adjustment as long as it doesn't alter the meaning. [Is that correct when the source is incorrectly unhyphenated?] Anyway, the reason that crossed my mind at all [perhaps you can guess], is that it illustrated the awfully abusive admin environment around, including where an admin would mock me for spelling, and ignore the PA itself as "Who cares". Do you care for a civil environment here? I did nothing uncivil to bait the hyphenated or unhyphenated PA from the admin. [And to be fair, he apologized later.] I'm not holding a stick since the point is different at this point.)

  Thanks for reading, and wishing you a Merry Xmas holiday & season. p.p.s. Oh! I do admire your courage and honesty being the sole admin putting your real feelings down in your Evidence section. (Minus the shot at me, of course.) It has been in my thinking that another candidate defender of the Panda, is/was/could have been your admin-friend Dennis Brown. But gosh, he's taking his long-needed Wiki-break, isn't he. [If I sound skeptical of his timing, it's because I am. Because of him I just think he goes where the wind blows, and looks out for number one. Where as you are made of more respectable stuff. Just my opinion.]) p.p.p.s. I actually have two positive experiences with the Panda ... I went to his Talk seeking advice once when I put a partial foot in my mouth, and he kindly suggested what I might do to make amends. On another occasion I recommended a specific mentor for a wayward editor seemingly beyond being helped by anyone, and Panda tried to line it up. Both those were good things. However, since being on odd side of Dennis Brown, the Panda has consistently tried to throw me under the bus, !voting extreme sanction for me where possible, telling me I'm teetering on site-ban, etc. And lying and baiting maybe 10 times in 10 sentences that he writes regarding me. I don't even go to his Talk page to discuss this, because he is ... impossible to discuss anything with. I just want an IBAN with him, and I have asked for it already at the Evidence page. Your friend has shown me he's capable of being nice. But many things he says and accuses and implies are decidedly not so. The scale tipped big-time; that was his choice not mine. He is not the only admin to turn hostile on me because I've criticized admin Brown. If Dennis didn't have serious shortcomings, I could understand their retaliation and forgive same. When an admin is nom'd by another at a successful RfA, it seems to set up an irrational friends-connexion. (Kind of reminds me in a far-fetched way of mothers "loving" their serial-killer sons. People should stop to think more. People react without thinking. It is why I'm admire Eric Corbett -- his head rules his heart. [He's a Myers-Briggs 'T' attribute, no doubt. Do you know your type? There is a big T–F clash on the WP, as I opined to NewYorkBrad recently.]) Cheers, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 07:04, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• You come here and insult me and a few of my colleagues, calling me a liar and suggesting there is no bottom to my standards, drawing all kinds of weird and tasteless "connexions" along the way. I like the gift (of your conversation) as I like the giver, so sayonara--I see no reason to give you any more time. Note that I have yet to insult you; apparently it's your buttons that are being pushed, not mine. Drmies (talk) 15:03, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

too

		Sunshine!
		Hello Drmies! Hafspajen (talk) has given you a bit of sunshine to brighten your day! Sunshine promotes WikiLove and hopefully it has made your day better. Spread the sunshine by adding {{subst:User:Meaghan/Sunshine}} to someone else's talk page, (IT DOESN*T REALLY WORKS BUT YOU EVENTUALLY MIGHT FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO) whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. In addition, you can spread the sunshine to anyone who visits your userpage and/or talk page by adding {{User:Meaghan/Sunshine icon}}. Happy editing! Hafspajen (talk) 19:31, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks Hafspajen. It will go well with X's moonshine. But, eh, that one in the bottom right, how do I get rid of it? I don't need anything else slowing down my netbook and my phone... Drmies (talk) 00:10, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

The Beetroot? Hafspajen (talk) 00:35, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Holy crap, there is sunshine on your page. How did that go there. Told you it was a weird template. Hafspajen (talk) 00:37, 5 December 2014 (UTC) OK, gone. Hafspajen (talk) 00:39, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Tree

Erik Bodom - Måneskinn

	Moonshine
	Hell Drmies! X has given you a bit of moonshine to take the edge off your dark night of the rubber soul. Moonshine promotes a heightened score on the Myers-Briggs scale. Don't spread the moonshine, it makes the floor sticky, and will smell pretty evil in the morning. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 23:00, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Linguist needed

You have upset me. Loved your outfit! it filled me with joy. Expectation.

Please offer an opinion in the on-going discussion at Talk:Beetroot#Requested move. It is a most mysterious thing. Hafspajen (talk) 23:53, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

• Oh I have no idea, and I don't really name our naming conventions either. If I were an article creator I might know better. Drmies (talk) 01:57, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

  

MIEESSS!!! What did you DO? It was my only fun in life picturing you in theses clothes. Hafspajen (talk) 02:12, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

• Too many pictures make for slow loading on my phone. Terribly slow loading. In addition, with an image on top I can't easily scroll down for some reason. Yes, it was a nice photo and an appropriate text, but it was in the way. Sorry. Drmies (talk) 02:24, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Arrrr. Hafspajen (talk) 02:42, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Nerly

Drmies, Yngvadottir, Hafs, Gerda - a German with an incomplete article-> Franz Xaver Petter and an other with a very bad one.

Friedrich Nerly (1807–1878)

Hafspajen (talk) 00:45, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the freeze

But please review which version is being frozen and note that that other editor's total history and my pleas that s/he was either a sockpuppet account or someone with an unambiguous Conflict of Interest, none of the other admins cared to look into the substantice issue. I willfully acknowledged violating 3RR because no one was addressing the wanton vandalism. JesseRafe (talk) 06:12, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

• I just left a note at Talk:John F. Kennedy School of Government. I see now that some attempt at mediation was already made; I'll ping TransporterMan just so they know what's going on. Try a third opinion, maybe. (BTW, there is no exemption for 3RR here since the edits are not obviously vandalism or BLP violations.) Good luck, Drmies (talk) 06:17, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Did you see them all? They clearly were vandalism, I initially removed non-cited and non-blue links added and this user kept restoring them, then libeling me accusing me of being inconsistent, capricious, etc. each time trying to hide their re-insertion of the non-notables with a flurry of edits and other fallacious claims about my rationales which have never differed. Also note, that I routinely remove non-notables across wikipedia, whether over-long film casts, residents of towns, and alumni of schools, for this exact reason. If you go to that article's history you can see its state before I came to it, randomly without an agenda (my user history shows I was editing the similar Columbia school at the exact same time, for? Wait for it... removing non-notable alumni). I have no agenda, but my distaste for those who abuse Wikipedia or bloat "notable people" lists look a lot like what is needed to quantify as vandalism. If stubbornly adding non-notables to a non-notable list is not either 1) Vandalism or 2) a COI what is it? Why is it being protected? Why is the actual bona fide editor who fights it penalized? JesseRafe (talk) 06:27, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

All links in the article are currently blue. As for removing non-notables--well, this is what I did yesterday. Drmies (talk) 06:34, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Set my user contributions to the longest view possible, Ctrl+F "notable" and scroll all the way to 2005. If you can match that, then I'll be impressed. JesseRafe (talk) 06:44, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

(inserted remark) I just did- (500, 2005, cmd-F "notable"). What am I looking for? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 07:58, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Uh, cool story, bro! JesseRafe (talk) 15:48, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

How's life in Brummagem? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 20:12, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Jesse, we're not going to measure penises here. Drmies (talk) 15:31, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

You're the one who was trying to brag, I was making a joke, but I guess I'm not surprised you're humorless in retrospect. Way to respond to the real issue, anyway! JesseRafe (talk) 15:48, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

I had much more humor in retrospect than I do going forward with you. Sheesh. You are having difficulty reading, writing, and arguing your case. You could have won me as an ally but you're going about it foolishly. Drmies (talk) 15:51, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

So I make a joke riffing off your (what I assumed was a good spirited similar jibe) and then you start getting UNCIVIL with me for no reason, and now you're outright insulting me? And this gives you the moral high ground? Please, won't somebody talk about the actual issue? Just once? Ever? I don't care about allies and cabals and nonsense, I care about facts and want all articles to reflect them, not obvious COI/sock puppet accounts who pay lip service to WP policies while obviously flaunting them. This is absurd, and I am beyond caring anymore. Cheers! JesseRafe (talk) 16:06, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

If you're beyond caring, good--we can move on. If I was UNCIVIL, in all-caps even, I humbly apologize to your various superiorities. Now, I indicated on that talk page what the way forward is and I think there is no reason for you to be back here. Drmies (talk) 16:11, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

User:GIOSCali

Hi! The above user has been getting some advice from me about their edits on Providence (religious movement), and as to why they were blocked. I've posted a bit on my talk page about what I think the problem was, but it is possible that I have missed something. Could you swing past my talk page and add any further comments about the reasons for their block, and what they need to avoid doing in future? Thank you! Stephen! ^Coming... 08:04, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Cheers! Stephen! ^Coming... 12:56, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Pro-woo, anti-woo, woo hoo

I don't think anyone ever got around to actually giving you a definition for woo, which you requested in this thread. In case you haven't picked it up from context, woo is pseudoscience. Primarily used by James Randi and his supporters, it describes obvious nonsense pushed by charlatans and fools. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 19:14, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks! Yes, Cullen already tried to school me a bit, and the recent piece on NPR provided some more evidence and editing material. Drmies (talk) 19:45, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Ah, now it all makes more sense. - NQ (talk) 20:27, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Boniface

Just letting you know that I came up empty. I've asked the very helpful folks over at the german wiki for assistance. [8] - NQ (talk) 20:27, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks--I had totally forgotten I asked. It doesn't help that I have a desk full of stacks of copies of articles and chapters still requiring processing. I can't tell you how much I appreciate your help. Drmies (talk) 21:03, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

An Apology

Hi Drmies, remember me.... Im the user Zucat. Yes, I would like to apologize for the message I left on your talk page about three days ago. The one that I sent that said that You deleted mass information from an Artical I created called: List of Stuart Little characters. I fully understand that you were only trying to help the Artical out by deleting the paragraphs that had bad writing. I guess i kinda overreacted when i found out that ALL the information that was deleted, that I put a LOT of effort into was gone. I am sorry for this HUGE misunderstanding and I hope I didn't scare you at all. But you gotta understand that sometimes when a Wikipedia user finds out that another user has erased all the work and effort that they put SO much hard work into, they can SOMETIMES perceive that as a threat, cyber-bullying, or an insult to themselves. I also felt kind of harassed when you said that "My five year old can write better than this". I just didn't expect a user to say something like that to another. Its just that if you CANT help other people improve there encyclopedic Articals in a POSITIVE tone. then DON'T help them. With that said, I hope this doesn't change ANYTHING between us two and I Apologize for my Behavior. (Zucat).

• Zucat, no apology necessary. What matters is that we produce better articles, and I hope you know, or have come to know, how to improve your editing skills so you can contribute in a positive way. In addition, this is a collaborative project, which means that we pick up the slack for our colleagues and help them out, as Xanthomelanoussprog knows very well, having performed cleanup duty for lots of people, including myself. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 01:01, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

GG reply

Pardon the expression "sweeping under the rug" for it is the problem not the topic which I referred to. Though merging the article out of existence with a one paragraph summary would make a starting point per WP:TNT. Since there are deep issues with the article. However, not one person responded to my call for strict methods, but are instead seem to be keen to making the problem disappear instead. I do not really know what this "Gamergate" thing is, but I believe proper structure and adherence to a set of topic-specific rules will correct the issue. But it seems no one is intent on testing it or some other variant, and it bugs me a bit, since it has not been tried before. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:12, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for your note. Chris, GamerGate is an enormous shitstorm but there actually is very little to it. The real issue is the gaming, but everyone's tweeting over this and so we have to have 120k worth of content on it. I think that what Nyttend was shooting for is not too far off from what you might like. But we can hardly set up guidelines for every topic... Drmies (talk) 15:10, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

• Eh true, I've seen rampant stupidity in some areas that are impossible to sort out because the users are either incompetent, blatant COIs or just trolls who want to watch the world burn. I'd like to think escalating strictness in extreme situations deserves a test, but we don't always get our way. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:15, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Som Wardner

Hi. The article on Som Wardner keeps getting re-instated with no new references or content to justify it's being. The user MVMGMT who has been registered for severeal years and has refused to converse appears to have created other accounst including TradingPlace, GothGirl79 and IP 188.29.164.172 to revert edits. What would you suggest here? Because it seems they will repeatedly re-instate the article without demonstrating the individuals notablity. I would go as far as suggesting that this editor is actually Som Wardner, as I don't fail to see who else would over several months make such edits and also have an account pertaining to be his band's management!

Bilybowally (talk) 20:16, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

And has just instantly reverted my edit, suggesting they are actively watching the article.

Bilybowally (talk) 20:31, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

• Well, we could block that MVMMGT account and protect the redirect--wait, I just did! I don't know about GothGirl--it's possible that it's a sock account, but let's wait and see. Thanks for your note, Drmies (talk) 00:47, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello

Can you please explain it to me, i dont understand. here It is very obvious that user follow me, as he never edited page of subject before. I wasnt talked about edit on that page, but the following part. Also, after a lot of rude and bad edits, no more place for a AGF about this user. That he really was in good faith, he would talk to some of the talk pages of the articles he removed without anyones agreement. So, you removed my post from ANI, so please explain it to me. --Ąnαșταη (ταlκ) 21:45, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

• It was not obvious to me, and the ANI discussion was on a completely different topic. If you wish to have admins and others investigate another editor's behavior, you may do so, in a separate thread. It is possible that the user has acted in the way you say they acted, but that requires proof, not just assertion. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 23:08, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Thank you very much, just one more detail, please! What can be proof for stalking, please explain it to me, i dont know that yet! --Ąnαșταη (ταlκ) 10:26, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Mi Mi mim mi mi mi mi Mies!!

Sorry to bother you. There is absolutely nothing - no message . No nothing. Hafspajen (talk) 23:48, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

• Well, in that case I won't say anything in response. Not a word, my dear Hafspajen. Do not think you will get ONE SINGLE SYLLABLE out of me. Natti natti! (Saw a guy make kottbollar on TV. Yum yum.) Drmies (talk) 00:43, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Lalala Bgwhite STOP don't Hafspajen (talk) 05:20, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

I know of a future Oregon fan

That'd be you buddy. Jan 1st, you're gonna be rooting for Oregon.--v/r - TP 02:39, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

• Sorry, but why would I care? I mean, ducks are nice and all that, but as a fan of you-know-who I don't care who we play: bring em on. Hell, I bet we can play an NFL team and not look like idiots. Oh, is this also in reference to the top four being announced? My tweet feed is on a gender-related strike. Drmies (talk) 02:52, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
  • You should care because Oregon is going to finally shut FSU fans up.--v/r - TP 03:01, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

The playoffs start on Jan 1? That is great. Makes football meaningful on that date again. They should mix it sometime and make 1 play the night before. Screw Ryan Seacest's "Crapping in the New Year". Can't wait. And the Ducks are the least offensive of the four. Do they release the vote?Two kinds of pork^Makin'_Bacon 02:54, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

There's only one way in which you can mean that ("least offensive"), and in that way it's probably not correct. If you mean it in the other way, well, sirrah, them's fighting words. Drmies (talk) 02:58, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

@Two kinds of pork: I don't know what measure you based that claim on. Oregon is the very definition of an offensive team. With regards to the 4 playoff teams, we lead in average points for, we lead in passing yards, we're second only to Ohio St in rushing yards. We are also #1 on the new "game control" ranking. If you mean we have almost no possession time, yeah, that's what everyone is saying. That's what everyone is talking about the pace of Oregon football. Our time of possession isn't low because of turnovers. It's low because we score so quickly. You gotta rethink your statement about Oregon being the least offensive.--v/r - TP 03:06, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Aw TParis, you know how he meant that--Pork is simply a Bama hater. (I suspect most normal people are born with an aversion to FSU and OSU.) He's probably some old-fashioned Midshipman or Bulldog from 100 years ago, before Oregon was a state. Then again, those uniforms...what was with those black feathery things on the shoulders? Come on, man. Drmies (talk) 03:15, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

I am a hater. Drmies had it right. Offensive meaning the team offends my sensibilities the least. Yes, the Ducks are worthy opponents and should not be taken lightly. It changes from year to year however. My school never even had a team, so I never much paid attention until later in life. I think it all clicked for me when an old-timer explained to me how the BCS worked, and I asked "Does this mean that Notre Dame could end up playing in the Rose Bowl?" "That's why the BCS is a crime against fucking nature son" -- him being Big Blue. I hope this fixes the bowl saturation, but they will probably just start playing them earlier. An NIT like playoff series with the Championship on New Years would be even more preferable. Even if it is sponsored by Jiffy Lube or Tampex.Two kinds of pork^Makin'_Bacon 03:30, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Well, that could have been a lot worse. I'm pleased to hear that the place I teach at is not the only one without a football team. Haha, Jiffy Lube? That's what we call this in my cooking room. RTR, Drmies (talk) 03:35, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

I honestly don't care how the 'Bama - OSU game goes. My neighbors are big OSU fans so we could have a neighborhood rivalry going on. And if that doesn't happen, I wouldn't mind finally seeing a PAC12 team beat an SEC team for the championship. But I'm not sure Oregon can be 'Bama or OSU. The only thing I am certain about is that FSU is finally going to be put in it's place by playing a real team and no one is going to be surprised (outside of Tallahassee that is).--v/r - TP 03:38, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I think everyone outside of Tallahassee (and a couple inside) are all waiting for that. Oregon almost had Auburn's number a while back, so nothing's impossible. I'm watching that hit on the Chargers receiver right now. I would not mind if football were played less hard and with more benefit of the doubt toward the person getting hit. Mind you, I say that as a Bama fan. Drmies (talk) 03:44, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

• Right. Aw, poor Texas team; makes my heart cry. Well, I tell you what, I don't mind if we have to play those loudmouths, and that one in particular. But let's take it one game at a time, alright? Ohio State is for real. Besides, I have two colleagues who graduated from there (I suppose they have graduations there? they have a piece of paper with their name on it...), so there's all kinds of other things at stake. Quack! Drmies (talk) 02:55, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

"Excessive Content" revert

Hi there, I saw that you reverted my chart addition to Indiana–Michigan State football rivalry, and I was wondering why you thought it was excessive. The article as it stands is rather short, and I thought that it would help beaten it up. In addition, I worked with editors at Bnosnhoj and Michigan-Michigan State football rivalry to develop the chart that I added. I was hoping it might be eventually applicable to many other CFB rivalry articles. So I guess I'm looking for justification and general feedback. Thank you! (Bnosnhoj (talk) 03:49, 8 December 2014 (UTC))

• Hi Bnonsnhoj--well, I thought it looked pretty but had no bearing on the actual article, one reason being that for a real rivalry all the books are thrown out anyway (TParis is listening, no doubt; he's one of those admins who could do with a bit of schooling). As I said on the talk page of that other article--let me see...Talk:Minnesota–Nebraska football rivalry--I found no precedent for it. So yeah, sorry--but I don't see the point of it at all. I mean, this year's Egg Bowl was extra exciting and important, for instance, but an Iron Bowl is the best rivalry game in the country no matter what the record, no matter what the school's accomplishments (by "school" I mean Alabama, of course--not veterinary college, but don't tell Volunteer Marek). Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:54, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
• BTW, all pinged editors and other CFB enthusiast are invited to weigh in. The best four answers will go head to head, and a champion will be crowned by Jimbo hisself. Drmies (talk) 03:56, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Bnosnhoj, I would like to apologize to you on behalf of all editors here at Wikipedia. Drmies is by no means a "normal" editor, in fact, he is "special"... "special" needs, learning challenged, mentally disabled, Alabamian or whatever euphemism you would like to call it. Just pat his head and say, "good boy", like you were talking to a dog. He will no longer bother you. Dang, I just insulted Uga. Uga is way more intelligent than any elephant. I personally think the table should be removed. It really doesn't add anything. Maybe on the Michigan-Michigan State football rivalry page. Bgwhite (talk) 20:10, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Would you have any suggestions?

A few months ago during the eventually unsuccessful Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Piotrus_3 you voted "oppose". I wonder if you'd like to discuss any concerns of yours, or if you would have any suggestions in the event I'd decide to run again (which I am not planning to do anytime soon, but might consider in the future). For a better sense of my work and activities around the project, I invite you to consider reviewing my userpage, my talk page archives (which are not redacted), to watchlist my talk page, or use edit analysis tools like Wikichecker, content.paragr, dewkin, xtools-pages or xtools-ec (which in theory should work as of late 2014...). Thank you for your time, (PS. If you reply here, I'd appreciate a WP:ECHO or {{talkback}} ping). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:02, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

• Piotrus, you know (or maybe you don't) that I have great respect for you and what you've done for the project. Sure, I'll have another look though it might not happen instantly. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:13, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Help, please

I need help in regard to this exchange [9]. I feel I am being pushed around punitively and for what? Because I didn't understand what this particular administrator was talking about? All I asked for was specifics and I get threatened with a block because I didn't understand? That's punitive in my book. Also, I've asked him a couple of questions in order to follow-through with what he's asked me to do and I am hearing crickets. Am quite confused by how this is playing out on my talk page. Thanks for you help (and not just in this situation, in the recent past, as well). -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 16:51, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

• Hey Winkelvi. I can't speak for Jehochman, as I'm sure you understand; I don't know them very well either. But I can make a few observations. "Panties in a wad" is a gender-based comment (in the old world boys don't wear panties); I myself wouldn't go so far as to call it disruptively sexist, but it has aspects of sexism to it; if I had to guess I'd say it carries the meaning of "to act hysterically", and that reference to the uterus ("hyster") makes it clear that acting hysterically, as if one's panties (or knickers) were in a twist, is a quality that women have, since of course, as all old white men know, women act on their emotions and not on their reason. *cough* So YMMV; I wouldn't use the expression, not to the Queen or anyone else, because I may well be perceived as reinforcing stereotypes about gender, behavior, intelligence. When Jehochman says "Try to do that on Wikipedia" he's suggesting extra care in language. Humor is easily misunderstood, colloquialisms frequently carry a burden that at cocktail hour aren't problematic, but can be problematic here. Believe, I know how easily one can be misunderstood here, and if one is, one can say "well, they read me wrong", but it's best to avoid the problem in the first place. It's very likely that you didn't intend to make a sexist remark, but it can be read as one. I wouldn't threaten a block but at the same time I can't fault Jehochman for taking it more seriously than I might have. (It's related to User:Newyorkbrad/Bradspeak, I suppose.)

  As for the IBAN language--he is suggesting you act as if there is an IBAN in place. He's not saying you will be blocked for commentary that would violate a hypothetical IBAN (though it might be coming...), he's saying acting as if there is such a ban will help keep you out of trouble. I take it as a somewhat stern but well-intentioned suggestion, and I urge you to take it the same way. If an editor, or some editors, consistently rub you the wrong way and you get carried away too easily, it's best to avoid them, even to avoid mentioning them, lest you get drawn into a shouting match. And that's what was behind my revert on your user page as well: it's not worth the trouble it might cause. Best, Drmies (talk) 19:02, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Understand. All of it. Still don't agree that the colloquialism is sexist at all (especially since it wasn't intended in that manner) and because I don't use sexist language or think in a sexist manner, it stands to reason that I wouldn't see it like that. Still, no problem with me not using it again. Or with acting as if there is an IBAN in place. Thanks for your patience and willingness to take the time to explain things as well as seeing me for the kind of person in Wikipedia I really am and strive to be. Can't even remember why you and I tangled at one time or what ever prompted me to jump down your throat. I suppose that's a good thing as well as progress. Sincerely,-- WV ● ✉ ✓ 06:01, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

• WV, I forgot too. :) Drmies (talk) 05:01, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

List of schools in Nigeria

You were recently WP:BOLD and removed all the names from List of schools in Nigeria that did not have an en-wiki article, including those that had references. As we have over 4.5million article, I think this is reasonable, and WP:WTAF should encourage more articles, but I meet opposition when I try the "No article = No inclusion" principal on some other lists.
However, List of schools in Nigeria still starts with the {{Refimprove|date=August 2010}} and {{Dynamic list}} templates, which include "help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources" and "You can help by expanding it with entries that are reliably sourced." - phrases that are at odds with the deletion of schools that had references.
AFAIK there is no template for "No article = No inclusion" to replace these templates with, but we have already had one addition with a reference, which accords with the templates that are there. Do we just remove both the templates? Or how do we justify any future removals of sourced additions, added with the encouragement to add "entries that are reliably sourced" ? - Arjayay (talk) 18:18, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

• You see that note ("no article, no entry") sometimes in hidden comments, visible the moment you open the edit window, and that's fair. After all, "no article, no entry" doesn't necessarily indicate a problem with the article in its current state. I didn't really look at those tags; if they're unwarranted, feel free to remove it--but the "references" I removed were all, if I remember correctly, links to school websites, and those don't indicate notability, only existence (at best). Thanks, Drmies (talk) 18:22, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm probably one of the principal editors adding such hidden comments, and have now done so to each section (so the comment shows if someone just edits a section), but I wonder if the article should be renamed "List of notable schools in Nigeria" which gives an easily explainable reason for such deletions? - Arjayay (talk) 18:34, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

If I may chime in here: notability is one of the major thresholds for inclusion of all Wikipedia content, so it would be redundant to rename the list. The default principle is that if something is notable Wikipedia doesn't cover it. De728631 (talk) 18:46, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes you may, of course. Thanks. What I've done more than once is add that word to the lead. (Every article, including list articles, should have a lead.) Drmies (talk) 19:03, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I assume your phrase "if something is notable Wikipedia doesn't cover it" is a typo, not a sarcastic comment, but wish that excluding non-notable subjects from lists was more rigorously enforced.
The problem is that many people expect a "List of schools in Nigeria" to be precisely that, and include all the schools in Nigeria, so they will keep adding schools that are not on the list, as there is no qualifier in the title. Conversely, a "List of notable schools in Nigeria" immediately explains that the list is not exhaustive. Looking through the IPs that have edited the page, for very many, if not most, this is the only page they have ever edited. A qualified list is much easier to explain to occasional editors, especially editors whose first language may not be English. - Arjayay (talk) 19:08, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

I don't think De does sarcasm. :) Anyways, hidden comments and a phrase in the lead are the best we can do, as far as I know. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:11, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Should we remove all the primary schools from places like List of schools in Cornwall? Maybe the list should have been broken down into clear regions if it was getting unwieldy. Are non-notable Nigerian schools less notable than non-notable British schools? __ E L A Q U E A T E 21:12, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned, yes; in my opinion NOTDIR applies here. It was in fact broken up into regions; look at the pre-me version. Drmies (talk) 22:38, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Obviously something had to be done, and your action looks understandable and reasonable compared to leaving it as it was. I had meant that the article could be split into smaller, more manageable articles by region, per List of schools in the United Kingdom, which honestly, is also overwhelmingly a list of thousands of completely non-notable individual entires. With much respect, I'm not convinced "list of schools in a defined area" meets any of the six example cases in NOTDIR. It's not a contact list, and the individual entries are the same type of thing without being loosely defined. "Schools in area x" is too simple to be considered cross-categorized. I don't think the selection criteria was based on individual notability, but one of the other two acceptable criteria for list selection, backed up by WP:LISTCOMPANY.

Now I completely see the other side of this, but I think it unlikely that eliminating 90% of List of schools in the Netherlands would ever last. If an interpretation of NOTDIR demands deletion there, but no one ever acts on it there, that raises a few uncomfortable issues. __ E L A Q U E A T E 23:42, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

My problem with NOTDIR is that it doesn't say what I want it to say. (!) Such lists are of course not random at all, far from it. What it should say is something like "we're not the Yellow Pages", since, well, we're not the Yellow Pages. I could see an argument for including a redlinked secondary school or college (for instance) since those things are typically inherently notable, if a reliable reference or two are provided--but as you suggested above (if I read you correctly), the typical editor who insists on adding such entries isn't that interested in us; they are interested in having their school listed. I wish we focused, in general, more on correctness and appropriateness than on inclusiveness. Drmies (talk) 23:59, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Oh, that reminds me of an analogy. When I prune lists of alumni etc., I remove the redlinked celebrities and businessmen, but not the judges and MPs, because of inherited notability concerns. That could apply to secondary schools as well, of course. Drmies (talk) 00:01, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Lists of people are another messy job and no one should ever attempt to do anything there ever. As far as lists of schools goes, WikiProject Schools is a rabbit's warren of vague advice.

On balance, I don't think the editors who created all of the sub-articles of Lists of schools by country were attempting to base lists on the "List of interesting standout schools" type of selection criteria. I think they were building them based on an attempt to have a comprehensive list of almost completely non-notable entries. We do have many examples of this sort of list, like List of Phi Kappa Psi chapters and colonies where almost every individual entry would never pass notability, but the notability of the topic of the list is what carries it for editors. In this sort of list, the individual entries are covered by WP:LISTCOMPANY, some bare proof they belong to the set. This explains why we generally have every school in Britain. We could approach this the same way and prune to only notable chapters......but we don't, and that's because WP:CSC has more options than "All entries require articles". I think many of the Nigeria schools pruned would fail even on the other criteria, but not the ones that had proof of existence (and on smaller lists based on smaller regions). __ E L A Q U E A T E 01:30, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Shorter: For things like school alumni, the only option under WP:CSC is number one. For schools in tightly defined geographic districts, editors seem to have attempted numbers two or three.__ E L A Q U E A T E 01:41, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Ah, right. Please consider my comment up there as "if something is not notable Wikipedia doesn't cover it." Wikipedia offers lot of opportunities to train oneself in applied sarcasm but this was not one of them. :) De728631 (talk) 00:04, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Raza Rumi

Hi DrMies, thanks for casting an eye on this article & continuing hacking away most of the overgrowth; as an ip editor if I'd have attempted such removal I'd have been instantly reverted! best regards 94.194.24.63 (talk) 01:22, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

• Yep. Unfortunately. I sought to stave that off by following your edit with one of mine in the same vein, and left you a welcome template, though I doubt that the average zealous Recent changes patroller looks at that very carefully. Anywayz, thanks for your edits and your note, Drmies (talk) 14:57, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Can anyone explain this picture to me

Beaudelaire?

Hafspajen (talk) 07:31, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

• The Soul of Wine. For I feel a boundless joy when I flow, Down the throat of a man worn out by his labor- Baudelaire. Carlos Schwabe spent many dark evenings puzzling out the meaning of B.'s poem. Eventually he thought "Bummeln sie!" and illustrated the poem with a naked woman (representing the soul of red wine (sickly sweet Dornfelder of course)) pouring the wine down the outside of her throat. Moral- if you think this is crazy, try to get a French person to illustrate a German poem. In den Bereichen des Herrn, Das Kraut ist das feine Gemüse- Adolf Schiklgrüber. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:25, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

She looks like she is poring it on her shoulders... Hafspajen (talk) 08:28, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

"If rape and vitriol, the dagger and the art of arson,
Have not as yet etched out their pretty patterns,
Upon the stretched canvas of our miserable destinies,
It's a matter of the lack of reach within our souls!"
(freely translated).

"It's a bore! ...the involuntarily tearful eye,
Enraptured in a hashish dream of gallows.
You know this consumptive monster, reader,
You hypocrite - my doppelganger - my sibling!"

Have some Dutch Golden Age Red Easter eggs and oysters instead

Editors playing with articles - here, not here, there - not there...

Fleur de Mal Wiki. Hafspajen (talk) 08:30, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

• I once knew an artist called Nogbert (not his given name, but a more appropriate nickname). His art was a "stretched canvas of miserable destinies" for sure. Nogbert engaged a friend to photograph his paintings with a view to showing them to a gallery owner. Reduced to postcard size they looked quite good, and he got his exhibition. I attended the opening night; the guests were all huddled in the middle of the gallery with their backs to the paintings, nervously trying not to look at the "art of arson". Nogbert left the art world to take up the career of Traffic Warden in London; I took the paintings to the city dump. The "Nogbert effect" is when an artwork is made to look good by reducing it considerably in size. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:46, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

• Eh...no pictures on Commons? It's got everything else that should be in the city or county dump. Drmies (talk) 14:55, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

• It was during the Dark Ages, when computers were tin cans with rotary dials. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 21:26, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I an aware of that the effect! Mimimimies, this Mission Impossible - one can't tag every section on your page - it is ALL HUMOR!! impossible. Hafspajen (talk) 08:53, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

And now introducing the "Goller effect": paintings that are in the public domain until the artist is found guilty. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 09:18, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Ah, a new article? Goller effect ? Or is the artist is found guilty? Hafspajen (talk) 17:40, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Ack, Lamentation .... Lamentation (Gerard David), ... Hafspajen (talk) 19:57, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Talkback

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Thank you for your help with Kennedy School of Government

Thank you Drmies for your patience and assistance. In an effort to combine what we have discussed and learned, I have taken the version of the [[Kennedy School of Government] dated 05:05, 4 December 2014‎ by User:I dream of horses which does not represent edits either JesseRafe or I had made. I then kept only those individuals with a Wikipedia entry (blue links) and have received an MPA, MPP, Exec, or PhD from the Kennedy School. This should make JesseRafe happy I hope. I removed those individuals who did not complete one of those four degrees. I researched the dates where I could for those individuals who did not have a degree listed. Comments and edits welcomed on the draft page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Benutzernamen188_66_8_4#Notable_HKS_alumni I am hoping this will allow us to be ready to cut-and-paste a version we have all reviewed and are comfortable with when you unfreeze the page. Hope this helps work towards agreement that we are all okay with and this has been a learning experience on how to work towards consensus. Benutzernamen188 66 8 4 (talk) 14:11, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

WP:RX

Hi! Please send an email to fulfil the RX request. It's about: O. Lechner, F. Trenner, "Bonifatiusjahr 2004: vor 1250 Jahren starb der hl. Bonifatius. Klerusblatt 84 (2004): 1-2. Thank you very much, -- Doc Taxon (talk) 15:38, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Proactiv

I have a COI. Edit here appears to be overt original research, citing the company website, its advertisements, and crowd-sourced reviews on Acne.org. Was wondering if you had a quick minute to see if you agree that removing it would be appropriate. CorporateM (Talk) 15:50, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

• Absolutely. Feel free to cite my edit summary. Take it easy Corp, Drmies (talk) 16:09, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia genealogy project

Just wondering if you have any thoughts re: the idea of WMF hosting a genealogy project. If so, feel free to contribute to this discussion. And apologies if I have made this request before. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:05, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Ébène CyberCity

For something that ought to be so obvious, it's damned hard to source reliably and independently. It seems like it's a planned mixed residential and commercial town. 1,000 residents isn't hard to believe based on photos of what look like apartments or condos. It seems to be developed under a master plan to attract high-tech companies, high-paid workers, etc. As for name, it seems that Ébène City or even Ébène may be the more official one (judging by postal addresses), but the common usage on Mauritius may well be as in the title - hard to judge from the spew of advertising or "our office in Mauritius is in..." sites based on its "technie" draw. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:06, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

• Carlossuarez46, right--I spent some time looking for those records myself and found it very difficult. But I also believe that Ebene is the more official name; I suppose I'll open this on the talk page. Perhaps you can drop by there as well--thanks! Drmies (talk) 00:20, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

HiLo

I see you're aware of the situation. This was not my preferred outcome and it came to a head while I was out having dinner. I'm concerned about comments made by others about "lynch mobs" and "goading" - I don't see it that way at all. If that were the case, then the behaviour of others (including myself) should come under scrutiny. It's been a needlessly long discussion on various pages and the short of it is that HiLo wasn't attracting much support for his position.

And no, it's not the rude words. It's the attitude that anyone with a contrary position must be wrong and that their behaviour or personality needs correcting. In his own words: several editors in favour of using the name "football" continued to make rude and disparaging comments about those with whom they disagreed, and got themselves blocked.

He was aware of the potential for that very thing right from the start and yet if we look at subsequent discussion, we find him ignoring requests from all participants to refrain from commenting on other editors.

Looking back, other editors tried to engage on his talk page, and had their attempts forcefully rejected.Fuck off from my Talk page, please and Remove bullshit.

I'm not seeing any lynch mob mentality here, rather a general desire that discussion continue without personal opinions, especially those directed against other editors.

Having said that, his behaviour wasn't exactly a surprise apart from the speed at which it deteriorated at the end.

If an editor continues to exhibit the same unproductive behaviour, repeated over the years, is it fair to expect other editors to show him special treatment? Some of these new voices weren't aware of his history and personality, but even if they were, just how much latitude can be extended? Do we say, "Oh no, that's User:Special, he isn't subject to the same rules."

I don't think so. I think that his behaviour was raised in discussion, on his talk page and eventually at AN/I, which is pretty much the sequence we see for any problem editor, given the lack of any other forum for discussing editor behaviour. If there was a lynch mob, they followed the rules.

This has all been most distressing, not least because I feel for the embarrassment and dismay so obviously felt by another human being - and I've been there myself. I have friends with similar personalities, and much as I love them dearly, I can see them destroying their lives with their behaviour. Literally destroying their lives through poisonous work relationships, fractured family bonds, self-harm and legal proceedings. All over the most banal and trivial of things.

HiLo is master of his own destiny here, in that he can accept the rules, get along with others, and do good work. To deny the reality and accept no other views but one's own is never going to be a good strategy here. We all have differences of opinion with others, but for those out of step with community expectations, the way is more difficult. I honestly can't see the wikicommunity changing so much as to accept personal attacks as a necessary part of editing, to be encouraged as a winning strategy. --Pete (talk) 19:26, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

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Caution - Humor

Wiki in the Middle Ages: Successful ArbCom candidates enter the "Egg of Enlightenment"

Wikipedia:Wiki Types - Hafspajen (talk) 13:49, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

I see there are (at least) two pictures of Dr. Mice in that gallery. Can you guess which ones they are, boys and girls? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:16, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Maybe is the guy upside down, I say. Hafspajen (talk) 14:45, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Hey now. Don't make me send the ducks after you. Drmies (talk) 15:07, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

"If it quacks like a duck, it's probably a rabbit". Martinevans123 (talk) 15:23, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

• Have you heard of the "Drmies and Hafspajen's Definitive Guide to the Best European Beers and Ales" mentioned or created?

• I thought Hafspajen focused mostly on Red Easter eggs and Swedish Fish. Drmies (talk) 15:29, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Arr, you know what. I am collapsing infoboxes to avoid more vandalism. Lately some editor decided to update the links in infoboxes on dog articles, - even if they apparently don't have a clue about dogs. Lately he decided to add not only links but lengthy descriptions and humorous alt captions - too. And all that stuff in them almost always the target for vandals to do sneaky changes to weights, heights etc. So now we have to run after and collapse. Hafspajen (talk) 15:44, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

He started with A and now he is at K. Hafspajen (talk) 15:45, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Shame he didn't start with Z. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:53, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Zzzz. Lookatthissss Hafspajen (talk) 15:55, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

End of humor

Yeah, right and now collapsing it an ADMIN (!) reverted my changes - three times, he himself breaking the three revert rule. But if I revert that, I will be the one blocked. Hafspajen (talk) 16:56, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Admins are editors too. If C.Fred wants to revert, that's their right. Discussion on Talk:Dachshund will no doubt settle this and if consensus is for your edits, they will be restored, no doubt. Hej, you should consider removing your comment from C.Fred's talk page and move it to the article talk page--that's the appropriate place for content discussion... Drmies (talk) 18:16, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Ach, it is because he owns a dachshund. Explains it all. Hafspajen (talk) 19:59, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

<humor>Yes, I run all my dog-related edits past my dachshund before I post them. He's not allowed to help with articles related to cats, though, after some of the suggestions he came up with.</humor> —C.Fred (talk) 20:20, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

C.Fred, this sounds like words to live by. But you could consider replacing the dachshund with a philosopher, the post with a comedy show, the articles related to cats with some dried, salted haddock, and the whole universe with allegory. Drmies (talk) 15:43, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Very wise. nothing good will come out of that. Hafspajen (talk) 20:26, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Second thought - I stop editing dog articles. I have other things to do. Hafspajen (talk) 20:49, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

why is the bot removing this one

all the time. Hafspajen (talk) 18:30, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

• I don't know. Ask Darkwind. I wouldn't block for it anyway. Drmies (talk) 18:33, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Looks like the bot is removing it. Hafspajen (talk) 18:51, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

• Darkwind operates the bot. Drmies (talk) 18:57, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Don't know who that is. Hafspajen (talk) 20:24, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough

Perhaps my section wasn't named well, as I didn't mean to suggest all of the admins mentioned are "involved" in the way that word has been used in this case. The evidence provided there was meant to be actions I thought should be given another look by the arbitrators. I do not think nor did I think before that you were "involved" or had any kind of bias. I might rename my section to clarify. I accept your refutation and will remove my mention of you from my evidence. I'm sorry for misrepresenting you. Weedwacker (talk) 19:54, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

• I appreciate that. I am concerned that a lot of actions (edits and administrative actions) are taken out of context; my (very short) block of TDA was one of those. It had nothing to do with Gamergate; it was simply a matter of housekeeping on ANI, which is an administrators' board where, I feel, admins should have some leeway to keep order. If you tweak that one way or another, or remove it (after all, I'm not a party in the case), I will see what to do about mine. Thanks again, Drmies (talk) 21:09, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

• I agree a lot of actions are taken out of context. I think your action was correct, I do not have that much certainty with other actions I presented. Most of what I presented is merely for the sake of having it re-evaluated. I removed my entire comment about you and changed the heading. Weedwacker (talk) 21:25, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

• Now we've both saved the poor arbitrators some reading. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 22:02, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Sanity check and help requested

Since three users through extensive discussion say there is no issue with a particular on the Shooting of Michael Brown I am coming to you. At this point, there is NPOV and BLP issues, but I think there is extremely severe WP:CIR issues at play - mostly for WP:BLP and such. Though at this point the article is getting worse and worse and I think Admin actions may be required.

The offending text in the article:

The report states that county police learned of the 'killing at 12:43 p.m., 40 minutes after the incident, and that county officers did not arrive at the scene until 1:30 p.m. The spokesperson for the county said that their response was slow because officers were investigating another crime at the time.

The source "Ferguson Police Report Raises More Questions Than It Answers" is not reliable or factual. According to The New York Times timeline of events says and I quote: "According to police logs, the county police received a report of the shooting at 12:07, and their officers began arriving around 12:15."

Despite making an extensive appeal on the talk page. Here and here only to have my source thrown onto the offending matter and the text changed with just "...county detectives did not arrive at the scene until 1:30 p.m...." - the problem still remains and they are ignorant of it all. And then they went and made it worse. Your assistance would be appreciated because clearly the New York Times (amongst many others) is a reliable source over some Huffington Post attack piece which is misusing primary documents. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:20, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

ChrisGualtieri Bgwhite pulls out the dipstick and takes a look, "Yup, Chris' sanity reservoir is empty and has been for awhile". I haven't seen you in awhile. How's the article doing of our mutual "friend" coming along? Looking at your user pages, it looks as if you continue to busy as ever. I remember when you started just over two years ago and now you have atleast 50 GA articles. Egads. That is amazing. You put alot of editors on this page to shame, including me. Bgwhite (talk) 06:29, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Good to see you as well! I learned from that incident and haven't gone back, but I know issues continue long after my departure. The GA count is in the 80s and I'm working on a few things, but some 1970s NRHP reports are giving me issues. East District School has two inaccurate construction dates in the NRHP nominations. Some basic fact-checking stuff remains, but Wikipedia will have the best information by the time I am done with it. Many of the GAs are simple in nature and have low view counts. I think I spend maybe 5-10 hours on some of these easy articles. A solid days worth of work, but meh. Most of the time is trying to track down sources! I got a new historical report on the colored troops of the American Civil War and a nice book on New England rural road design! WP:ROADS might get jealous, haha! ChrisGualtieri (talk) 06:39, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Kpop article help

Hello. I'm a fairly new editor to Wikipedia trying to de-fan some of the Kpop articles. I saw some of your comments from earlier this year on the Korea working group and thought maybe you could help me. I've taken a few actions myself, namely removing the lists of nicknames from various singers and variety personalities' infoboxes. But I want to nominate some articles for deletion, namely some of the out-of-control articles written about couples from 'We Got Married'. Some couples have articles dedicated just to them, which surely isn't appropriate (there are no articles for John & Yoko, for Lucy & Desi, both of whom are 1000x more notable than WGM couples). One couple even has articles for each season of the show, just for that couple. To me, that's like an article called "Songs by Mariah Carey with 'Love' in the Title." And there are navigation boxes at the bottom of the articles with links to the 'husband' and 'wife's Wikipedia pages, their management companies' pages (which have nothing to do with WGM), and anything else the creators thought they could squeeze in there. Surely none of this belongs on Wikipedia?!

However, I have no experience with making such nominations. I'm afraid people will argue they are notable because there are (as with everything in Korean entertainment) gazillions of articles in Korean media on those couples, which have all been faithfully translated by Allkpop and fansites into English & other languages. ((In fact, the whole "notability" issue seems difficult in the area of Korean entertainment by Wikipedia standards, because so much of the media coverage is for promotional purposes and as such is unrelated to notability. There are also, IMO, issues with the non-fact-checked nature of many articles in the Korean media when it comes to claims about Kpop-related revenues, concert attendance, etc - most media just reprint whatever the company tells them, and a lot of time it's not true. Of course, the Korean media won't say this and the foreign media don't care, so how to address this? But that's a deeper discussion for another time - though one I'd like to eventually have.)) I have read through deletion nomination documentation but I can't figure out what violations to cite and some of the other requirements (where to post stuff) is a bit murky/overwhelming also. Can you help with some guidance? Or point me to other sensible, experienced editors who could help? I tried the Teahouse but got zilch; things just move too fast there for anything in-depth.

Thanks so much. Shinyang-i (talk) 08:17, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

'We Got Married'

Happy Saint Lucia's day!

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"Good Morning"Mies:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia!
13 December is the day when WE Swedes perplex the rest of the world by showing up way too early in the morning dressed in white tunics, candles in their hair, singing and bringing saffron buns and breakfast in bed to nice people. Hope you have a bright day! Hafspajen (talk) 09:23, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

• Oh, those buns...do they have cardamom in them? Or caraway? I made biscuits this morning but some of those boller would have been very welcome. You'll be pleased to know that Rosie came home from school yesterday announcing that tomorrow would be St. Lucia's day--why that matters in Alabama is not clear to me, but it was a nice thought. Enjoy, and keep your eyes on the plate, Drmies (talk) 18:28, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Saffron, raisins, - [but add some keso (cottage chese)] -sugar and flour - AND follow recipe ->that's it. [10]Hafspajen (talk) 20:13, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Candles on a real person's head... Doesn't that strike anyone as just a wee bit dangerous? LadyofShalott 21:36, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Beauty pageants

I guess the subject is not your main field of interest, but perhaps Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Mrdhimas is.

And, as in stated by the CU there, there is a clear concerted effort to spam the beauty pageants. I suspect user:Mrdhimas to be the spin doctor behind this, but could not catch him yet. (Mrdhimas is a real life pageant organiser). Do you have any advice how to get hold of this? The Banner talk 10:54, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Panman

You blocked Panman (talk · contribs) last week for a spam username. Could you clarify why you think it is one? A Google search leads me to believe that any corporate connections are minor. Looking through his edits, I can see no connection between his name and his editing pattern; he's not adding links for anything related to Panman. Thanks, only (talk) 12:15, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy Saint Lucia's Day!

I see you've already had the buns-and-coffee tray of the day, but here's another Saint Lucia's Day celebration for you: Lucia coffee and buns from festively arrayed Bishzilla Lucia! ['Zilla twirls to display her becoming Lucia crown in the round.] bishzilla _ROARR!! 15:17, 13 December 2014 (UTC).

• 
  Bishzilla Lucia
• 
  Cappuccino
• 
  Gingerbread
• 
  Saffron buns
• 
  Little helper bearing gift

Welcome ! Serten II (talk) 15:31, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

• That cappuccino looks amazing. It's making me thirsty for Europe. And saffron buns? Never heard of it, but I'm going to look it up and dream. Thanks Bish! Drmies (talk) 01:06, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Bacon Club

Is this edit [11] allowing me to join the Bacon project? Serten II (talk) 15:31, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

• As far as I'm concerned, of course! Not every "bacon" related thing is porcine--for various bacon points we've written up people called Bacon, mountains called Bacon... But I believe Kelapstick is doing the membership administration these days. Drmies (talk) 18:06, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

He is a miner, I am a mineralogist (with a postgrade in your field), I assume that goes with no further ado, I have to copy part of his Babels anyway. Glückauf!. Serten II (talk) 21:28, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Kelapstick, I herewith formally apply for membership and refer to Hamburger Speck and Speck (printing) as first separate article contributions. Serten II (talk) 14:45, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Again, yes, this should be up to Kelapstick, but I think membership should be no problem for a certified Speckjäger such as yourself. Drmies (talk) 15:45, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

I was going to give you that star but I see you took matters into your own hand--that's fine, just wash 'em afterwards. Drmies (talk) 15:21, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Bacon "frankenstein"

A prepared Bacon explosion just prior to wrapping with foil and cooking.

A foil wrapped Bacon explosion just placed in a Big Green Egg for slow cooking

I believe today will be the day that I attempt my first Bacon Explosion, but with my own special twists and machinations... (insert evil genius grin and laugh here) --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 18:53, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

As threatened promised... :)

Of course its my own version of the recipe: 2 lbs of ground lamb, 1 lb of ground beef, and about 2 lbs of Italian pork sausage with some spiced bread crumbs and a spice mix wrapped in 2 lbs of BACON!! I'll smoke this sucker in the Big Green Egg for 5 or 6 hours and see what happens... Lord knows how long this monstrosity will take to cook fully...! --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 23:44, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

• Oh my goodness. Wow. Drmies (talk) 00:31, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

• I liked getting that article to GA status. Tell me how it tastes and provide pictures of your delicious treat. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 07:33, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

OMG it was DELICIOUS! I had to force feed myself a HUGE salad afterwards just to overcome the guilt and fear of heart damage...! More pics to come... --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 18:02, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Here's how it turned out...

Bacon Explosion fully cooked, 5 hours in a Big Green Egg at ~200 degrees followed by 30-40 minutes of browning in a conventional oven.

Bacon Explosion fully cooked, just removed from foil wrap and pan.

Bacon Explosion fully cooked, placed on a platter with first slice

--Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 18:15, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

• OK, that's really impressive. I mean, disgusting in all kinds of ways, but well made. Congratulations! Drmies (talk) 19:18, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks! Next I want to do one with the BBQ sauce and extra cooked bacon in the middle.
• @ChrisGualtieri, check the Bacon Explosion article, I added a Gallery section with my photos... :) --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 21:10, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

• Ooh... looks good... and artery clogging! ChrisGualtieri (talk) 05:43, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Arterial lubrication

• Wow. This calls for a round of Akvavit to counter clogged arteries. Cheers!

Dutch painter Hobbe Smith

He's the one whose face you can't see. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:14, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Now can ANYONE explain why there is possible to make an edit conflict with yourself? There are are som many unnecessary changes all the time on Wiki - can't anyone fix that instead. Hafspajen (talk) 21:02, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Girls for you. Not that you deserved it. But Hobbe Smith doesn't have an article. https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobbe_Smith Hafspajen (talk) 22:09, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Insist on girls in article. Hafspajen (talk) 22:10, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

OK, I will tell you a Swedish joke. There was once upon a time a very rich Falu sausage factory owner who couldn't swim. He was standing by the sea on the steiger/brygga (however that is called) - and fall into the water. A young and poor student who saw he was fighting for his life jumped in and saved his life. The rich man was scared and wet, but he pulled himself together and said to the young man:

- Young man, you have saved my life, and I will always remember you and I am going to be thankfull for what you did for me forever. Thank you. However, I am unfortunatelly a poor man, so I can't really reward you as indeed I would liked to do. However - I can give you a real good advice to live after. Young man, don't you ever eat Falu sausage. Hafspajen (talk) 00:23, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

That is NOT a bad joke. Drmies (talk) 00:53, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thank you for creating The Brilliant Book article. I've uploaded some artwork from the show. It was a very kind thing to do. Thank you. Rhondamerrick (talk) 22:07, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

• Yes, I did that, didn't I! I did the best I can with the sources I could easily find--I'm sure, though, that the show will take off and coverage will be widespread. Thanks for the beer and the note, Drmies (talk) 00:30, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Arrrrrrrrrg! (couldn't think of a better title)

For some time now I have been trying to work with a difficult editor that likes to show up when I edit or create Hawaiian related articles. I have no problem with their editing anything...but they create havoc and disrupt my work with all kinds of mess. This most recent dispute began over adding bare urls and when I try to add the cite news template and make a mistake on one of the news papers, instead of fixing it he just reverts the entire amount of work. I appreciate that the article is growing but he did the same thing on Pa'u riders after I created that by trying to move it to a name with too many diacritics. When I objected he just turned around and objected to the name I suggested on another move request and then when Fram suggested a neutral formal request he ran off and created the request and excluded the one I had originally asked for. he fights back and forth on every side sometimes (adding sources and then arguing against what the source says) We have to put up with each other as we are the two most active Hawaiian biography editors but he lacks a lot of policy and guideline knowledge and his civility can be a challenge as he tries to push buttons and has already highly offended me as a Hawaiian native writing about my culture and has even accused me once (but removed when I complained to NewyorkBrad0 that I was dishonoring the name of a recently (few years) past museum curator because I objected to the non neutral manner he wrote a passage in the biography article. I don't know what. I'm loosing my cool and had to step away and seek assistance. I'm actually shaking. I am logging off now and will try to get my zen back.--Mark Miller (talk) 07:25, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to Drmies' comedy club, cocktail lounge and bacon emporium, Mark Miller. I am substituting temporarily for the usual host, who may be sleeping in Alabama. You know how to edit in compliance with our policies and guidelines, you know that sticking with them pays off for you and the article in the end, and you know how to regain your cool. Take it easy, my friend, and remind youself that the world doesn't end if a certain specific Wikipedia article is "wrong" briefly. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:35, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

I could go for some bacon.--Mark Miller (talk) 08:43, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

I am going to put off everything for the moment. I had filed at ANI about User:KAVEBEAR but I think this is going to need a good amount of diffs to demonstrate what I have been dealing with. He isn't an idiot. He just doesn't take time to learn the Wikipedia polices and procedures so he will actually tell you he isn't arguing with guidelines. His content and knowledge of Hawaiian history are pretty good, but he is not very accepting of others work, content or contributions unless they line up to a very rigid set of his own criteria. He is insulting, makes accusations constantly and uses tactics to get his way. Ownership issues is something he really has a problem with. He is basically owning almost all of the Hawaiian Royal family articles and these are not even all C rated articles. My attempts to improve Charles Kanaina, Kamehameha I, Pa'u riders (after I created it), Lunalilo's family tree and a number of other locations that all pertain to the Hawaiian Royal Family have been met with fierce resistance as if I am somehow damaging Wikipedia. Now with this tonight I feel I need to calm down and diff this all out and lay it out at either ANI or to an admin I know will be critical of me as much as anyone else. I ain't perfect.I make mistakes but this guy uses any slip up, any accident and any mistake to revert wholesale without trying to fix anything.--Mark Miller (talk) 13:50, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Mark. It is clear what the problem is here. You have forgotten the "h" at the end of "Arrrrrrrrrgh". I hope this helps. :-) Risker (talk) 18:47, 15 December 2014 (UTC) (Apologies in advance for the facetious comment, but it's really not unlike the advice we keep giving each other, if we get down to brass tacks...)

Mark, Risker is correct. Drmies (talk) 19:10, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

There ya go. See...collaborative editors able to see the problem and fix it. ;-) (and usually with bacon and beer).--Mark Miller (talk) 22:07, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

@Mark Miller: If this is about the diacritical punctuation thing again, ping me with a link to the drama page. I'm sooo tired of that particular debate. Montanabw^(talk) 20:06, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Oh god no. That was finally decided separately when Softlander made their points about the full use of both diacritics and demonstrated the proper pronunciation with Native Hawaiian news casters explaining how the short burst sounds are not that using the macros, that would alter the sound drastically. But that was just one of the many stupid and worthless debates I have been put through because of filibustering. When it comes down to a dispute between just two editors, that is no consensus. If a discussion shows near equal support both ways etc, that is no consensus and the change is not made. In the Pa'u riders situation, the editor refused to take no consensus for an answer and asked "What if I insist..." and just kept pounding away at it. Same thing happened again just recently at another article...well two actually, simultaneously and has happened before on other articles.

For now...what I am going to do is just continue to focus on content, expanding the Charles Kanaina article where needed, find more references for a chunk I added last night (verifiable summary of the history) that was needed for context and try nominating for A class or GA. I have tried different approaches with the editor. At this time, I am just going to document the current situations (or most recent) and go through all the other disputes to document off line the issues that came up and the repeated behavior etc..--Mark Miller (talk) 20:32, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

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• I'm not going to be outdone by some bacon rookie. Drmies (talk) 15:19, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

• Kneels at the foot of the master. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 18:51, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

• I think there's a general point about Wikipedia lurking in here somewhere, but if I draw the appropriate lesson I might have to stop editing. Drmies (talk) 19:12, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Start training like they did. But then it has to kept secret. Mies, great collar!!!! Hafspajen (talk) 22:21, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Hostage crisis' revert

My apologizes for the bug due to edit conflict. Thanks for your revert! Yug (talk) 16:01, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for your note. No apology necessary! Drmies (talk) 17:26, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

New socks by blocked user

Hi Drmies, I am posting this message because you have been involved in the SPI investigation and subsequent block of User:Overdtop, which was found to be a sock of User:Bosnipedian. It seems that several new IPs have picked up where Overdtop left off, namely persistently vandalising several Bosnia-related articles, inserting dubious interpretations of the country's sovereignity. The articles in question include Parliamentary Assembly of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Peace Implementation Council, Presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina and Vjekoslav Bevanda, Chairman of the Council of Ministers of Bosnia and Herzegovina and Bosnia and Herzegovina and several others. The IPs involved include:

• 85.234.141.197 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 85.234.158.222 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 92.36.213.228 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 92.48.78.242 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 109.74.202.237 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 178.79.163.71 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 181.29.29.83 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 190.136.99.64 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 190.194.115.138 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 200.80.130.158 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

I'm not sure how SPI works so please could you report these IPs or at least help me file a report? Thanks. Timbouctou (talk) 21:15, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

• Hey Timbouctou, looking at the first four I see that Callanecc is already on the case; they've been on a tear recently. The first one was blocked and the next three appear to be older, so I assume that Callanecc may have decided there was no point in blocking them. At any rate, they cited that SPI as a rationale. You can list them there (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bosnipedian/Archive); I'm pinging Callanecc anyway since the SPI does not make explicit whether they saw those other IPs you listed. Thanks, and thanks Callanecc, Drmies (talk) 21:31, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your help Drmies, I've listed them at SPI, hopefully this will get dealt with soon. Timbouctou (talk) 21:44, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Finally

Hafspajen (talk) 01:43, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

we have a great new dog editor, doing valuable work. Hafspajen (talk) 00:52, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Bad news

Not links of course, but wonderfull own pictures. And soon we will have all of them on Wiki. Jay! Hafspajen (talk) 01:06, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

What's with the horses? No dogs more? Hafspajen (talk) 03:07, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

our new great addition

It's like Mona Lisa, blurry. Hafspajen (talk) 03:09, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Mysterious. Hafspajen (talk) 03:10, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

This we had before, but it's no good. too sharp, too easy to discern the characteristics.

The ambiguity of the subject's expression, which is frequently described as enigmatic, the monumentality of the composition, the subtle modeling of forms and the atmospheric illusionism were novel qualities that have contributed to the continuing fascination and study of the work. Hafspajen (talk) 03:12, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

• Two things: how do I turn off the media viewer? And that blackish thing in the middle, that's a paw, right? Drmies (talk) 04:27, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

• 1)You go to preferences + appearance + and push disable media viewer.
• 2) - ? Paw? Ahem, you mean the dogs male attribute... ? Poor dog is not exactly like it should be. A bit fat. Hafspajen (talk) 04:42, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes! Thanks! Much better. So yes, that is his protuberance. Dogs have no shame. People are so much better, as the internet proves every day. Drmies (talk) 05:06, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

• Well, just let you know that he is our lead picture nowadays, here, Miniature Pinscher - with extra paw and all of it... . All those eager vigilant dog editors with whom I need to seek broader consensus never even noticed it. Hafspajen (talk) 05:10, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

  

  This too, a brand new exciting addition from our excellent outside workers to our articles - dog articles.

• The many many dog article editors who nowadays keep dog articles in order... all the other ones, you know... Hafspajen (talk) 05:17, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

A glorious new addition to our dog articles (Don't panic - removed now.)

• If I would care for the dog articles, but I don't because others know SOOO much better .- I would say this article - Obesity in pets - would be the only right place. But I let all the other, many many eager dog editors who overflow the Wikipedia and know so much about the subject, to take care of the problems nowadays. Hafspajen (talk) 05:21, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

• Same Mona Lisa smile, half-moon expression, carefully feeded, trimmed... Hafspajen (talk) 05:37, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

• Well - the good news is that our private angel Yngvadottir just reverted them. But there is more of this out there - but I won't tell where. We'll see if the eager dog editors will notice them. Hafspajen (talk) 05:50, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Yngvadottir is even leaving messages and all the stuff. Hafspajen (talk) 05:58, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Oh, well there was SOMEBODY who discovered it. No, not the numerous big big dog editor staff all so ready to discuss all kinds of dog issues and stuff, but good longtime-dog-editor Phil - of course. Weird, no? I thought there are just crawling around with dog editors all in their justified right to tell me what to do, after all the hard work and expertise they put down on dog articles; revert me three times without discussion and demand that I should discuss things with the OTHER dog editors. Wonder where THEY are. Hafspajen (talk) 18:50, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Ponies.

A Highland Pony, demonstrating the pony characteristics of sturdy bone, thick mane and tail, small head, and small overall size.

Why you hate ponies? __ E L A Q U E A T E 01:52, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

• What makes you think I hate ponies? Didn't you see me brohoofing a fellow editor on ANI? And you, Elaqueate, when did you stop hitting your dog? Ha! Drmies (talk) 02:27, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
• That's a pretty powerful looking animal. I need some help writing a paragraph and revising a thesis--can it do that? Drmies (talk) 02:28, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

As the old saying goes, "Can we get a pony to carry it? I'm tired." The highland pony article says Croft Work: Highlands were used extensively on these small Highland agricultural units but are seldom used today. I think revising a thesis clearly falls under "croft work". Good luck with it, although I wouldn't put it to work on any of those industrial scale thesis farms, mind you. If it comes to that, what you want to do, is you'll want to get one of those dogs involved. Because you can't beat a good dog-and-pony show for entertainment, especially if you've given up beating dog-and-pony shows. __ E L A Q U E A T E 03:20, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

A rabbi I know once said that "Prayer does not consist of asking God for a pony". Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:53, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Well, Cullen, that's great, but I don't even need a pony. All I need is a paragraph that makes sense of canonicity, and a more complicated and theorized discussion of gender and sexuality throughout this thing I'm working on. Can God do that for me? I mean, I made dinner and did dishes and brushed teeth and gave baths and did homework and laundry... Drmies (talk) 04:01, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Awww Drmies, I hope for your sake that you are not planning on diving into the Gamergate controversy. Because not even God can help you then. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:16, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm Cullen it does look like someone hijacked my account and got involved with that mess. Block me, quick. Drmies (talk) 04:25, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, friend, but I do not wield that hammer. I am grateful, though, that you share my theory that doing lots of housework and child rearing enhances a man's masculinity. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:54, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Cullen, if I know one thing about masculinity, it's that size matters. DYK that Daniel Bryan, an article on a rassler, is 174,119 bytes? Drmies (talk) 05:02, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

I came here in hopes of making everything awkward going "He's kinda cute..." but I literally went "OMG" and "He kinda looks like a character from Ice Age or The Croods." Dusti^{*Let's talk!*} 05:09, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

...and to clarify, I'm talking about Daniel Bryan - not the pony.... Dusti^{*Let's talk!*} 05:10, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

As it happens, the South Park rassling episode, W.T.F., is on TV. It's hilarious. I'm late to South Park, like a dozen years late, and it's not bad. Drmies (talk) 05:52, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

I can't count that many colons, so I am moving to the left, my natural inclination. OK, the wrestler. I read the lead, and liked the statement "currently inactive due to injury". Hey, I am 62 and wish I could laze around on "inactive" status, but customers are calling, there is work to do, and I just bought a jumbo bottle of Ibuprofen.

I scrolled through about a third of that . . . what? Normally, I would say "article" but in this case, I might say "treatise", or "multivolume fan biography". Wow. Carl Sandberg loved Lincoln, and somebody loves this rassler. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:49, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

• This is headed in the right direction. 41 bytes down, 100,000 to go. It's not unlike articles on K-pop or characters from TV shows. Drmies (talk) 15:36, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Ponies? Did someone say "ponies?" Does anything in this conversation actually involve ponies? If so ping me. If not, never mind...Montanabw^(talk) 20:03, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Finally. Hafspajen (talk) 20:27, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

My Little Pony could use some work.--Mark Miller (talk) 20:39, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Heh, those aren't ponies, those are plastic action figures. But if you want to watchlist for Brony activity, I'm good with that, those guys are just. plain. creepy. Montanabw^(talk) 03:43, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

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• That is so exciting! It better not be a wiki matter, since I clocked out a few minutes ago. Drmies (talk) 05:08, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Please help

Ok, Professor, I'm in over my head. I'm trying to keep up with this phone but it's not working. I hate leaving such a burden but I have little choice. Apologies Tiderolls 08:02, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Let the poor man sleep. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:18, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you Cullen. Please explain, Tide. I'm here, with coffee in front of me. Did you read the funnies in today's Montgomery Advertiser? "the world will be watching Montgomery, Alabama"--yes, the world is holding its breath to see the world-famous Camellia Bowl, played in the world-famous Cramton Bowl. Drmies (talk) 15:31, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Help?

Instead of just sitting around slurping coffee, could you do some more dog clean up, please? Someone is causing just a little bit of a mess: this is simply a straight copy paste of the FCI standard, created twice (one has a speedy delete tag now) and then the re-direct also needs to be deleted ... SagaciousPhil - Chat 15:54, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

• What? Where? Drmies (talk) 16:00, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
• SPhil, please don't user words like "barmy" on my talk page (not even in edit summaries). Save that lingo for Eric Corbett or HJ Mitchell. Ta, Drmies (talk) 16:02, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Whoops, sorry - I'm now suitably chastised and sitting sulkily on the naughty step pondering over how bad I've been. SagaciousPhil - Chat 16:09, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
    • Alright then. Off you go. Look after some dogs somewhere. Oh, we picked up an evicted puppy this weekend, a pitbull, but it proved too much for us and it was relocated. Drmies (talk) 17:06, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Maryat Lee

This new article about a Dutch-American director was written in Dutch and needs some translation. Unfortunately my comprehension of the Dutch language is insufficient to fix this but maybe you're interested in lending a helping hand to WP:PNT? The subject looks notable enough and doesn't have an article at nlwiki either. De728631 (talk) 18:39, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

• It needs a complete rewrite, De. It's from the Dutch wiki? Typical Dutch wiki writing--terrible, not neutral, not cited. I'll see what I can do. Drmies (talk) 19:07, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

I had been wondering whether to simply overwrite this. I tracked down enough sources to write her up. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:31, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Yngvadottir, I think that would be the best solution. And no, this was not taken from the Dutch wiki – they don't have an article yet. De728631 (talk) 20:57, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Holy moly Yngvadottir, you are die Scheisse as De might say if they were seriously confused. I believe the English translation is "the bee's knees". Drmies (talk) 00:24, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

"The bee's knees"? It is so cool that you are up to date with 100 year old American slang. You define trendiness. Do you have a YouTube channel? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:13, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Can you dig it? (See, I speak Californian too.) Drmies (talk) 04:50, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

My username and another question.

I dunno if I'm doing this right...First is my username "privateinvestigatorgreensboro" ok? Second, obviously I would like to contribute, but at the same time get a backlink for what I do. Can't there be a happy medium? If so, how do I do that?

For example: Under Digital Forensics there are numerous outbound links and some that go to businesses that stand to gain from your traffic (i.e. Guidance Software for EnCase and other forensic tools.)

Please advise as to how I can productively contribute while at the same time get a backlink.

Thanks! Privateinvestigatorgreensboro (talk) 23:53, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

• Wait--backlink? How do you mean? If that means we help someone get traffic then the answer is no. The link you added was removed because, in my opinion, it does not appear to be allowed under the relevant policy, WP:ELNO. If there are others that don't meet that requirement they should go too, of course.

  As for your name, I think it's iffy. I'm one of the admins who regularly block for user names, and I decided against it in this case because your name may denote an individual editor though it may be company as well--if it's the latter, it's a shared account and that's not OK. I left you a COI template because there was a suggestion of a connection between what you added and your name, and if it turns out that adding such links is your only interest here, well, that's not OK either. Does that answer your questions? Drmies (talk) 00:17, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

• Ah, OK, Privateinvestigatorgreensboro--now I see the link, and the About Us tells me that your link was indeed spam ("intending to generate backlinks"), and your username is the company name, so I will have to block you. For clarity's sake, we are an encyclopedia, non-profit, and not a web portal or Yellow Pages. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 00:22, 17 December 2014 (UTC)