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1955 referendum

Hey Donald!

Recently in the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1955_State_of_Vietnam_referendum I discovered this:

In the section called, “Organization of the referendum,” there is this particular paragraph:

Lansdale cautioned Diệm against electoral fraud, confident that Diệm would win a free election: "While I'm away I don't want to suddenly read that you have won by 99.99%. I would know that it's rigged then." U.S. officials thought that a fair election would have seen Diệm poll between 60% and 70% of the vote.[1]

I discovered that the part above (including the quote) is completely fabricated. And it’s been sitting there for 15 years. I investigated the source it cited (Stanley Karnow's Vietnam). I present to you it there below. What was described in the fabricated paragraph written was found nowhere in the source; in fact, the source completely contradicts it.

I have highlighted the parts that is directly about the subject at hand to provide evidence.


(Page 223)

“…French government in Paris meanwhile denounced Diem, and Bao Dai entered the fray from his château on the Côte d'Azur, attempting to manipulate factions in Saigon. Diem seemed to be finished by late April. Reporting from Saigon, the influential newspaper columnist Joseph Alsop wrote him off as "virtually impotent." As was often the case, Alsop erred. On April 27, Diem ordered the Binh Xuyen to cease its deployments in the city. The Binh Xuyen disobeyed and Diem's army attacked its strongholds the next day. The Binh Xuyen riposted by firing shells into the park around the presidential palace, and soon Saigon was a battle- ground as the rival forces fought street by street. Artillery and mortars obliterated the city's poor districts, killing five hundred civilians and rendering some twenty thousand homeless. As the fighting raged, Bao Dai summoned Diem to France, hoping to neutralize him. Diem refused to budge. When Bao Dai's officers tried to oust him, Diem turned his generals against them. By the end of May, the Binh Xuyen had been routed and its boss, Bay Vien, flew to asylum in Paris. Diem had prevailed but at a cost that he would have to pay later. Nearly two thousandvdefeated Binh Xuyen, Hoa Hao, and Cao Dai fighters joined the underground Communist forces concealed in the recesses of the Mekong delta, and they would emerge afterward among the Vietcong guerrillas. The United States rewarded Diem for his stubborn courage. A new American ambassador, G. Frederick Reinhardt, landed in Saigon to express unequivocal U.S. confidence in the regime. Five months later, Diem consolidated his power. With Lansdale and other Americans helping, he deposed Bao Dai in a referendum, and promoted himself to the rank of chief of state. The election, like others to follow, was a test of authority rather than an exercise in democracy. With Bao Dai far away, Diem's activists could easily exert pressure on the voters. Lansdale, with his talent for advertising, showed them how to design the ballots in order to sway the electorate. Those for Diem were red, which signified good luck, and those for Bao Dao green, the color of misfortune. Diem's agents were present at the polling stations. One voter recalled the scene in a village near Hué:'They told us to put the red ballot into envelopes and throw the green ones into the wastebasket. A few people, faithful to Bao Dai, disobeyed. As soon as they left, the agents w e n tafter them, and roughed them up. The agents poured pepper sauce down their nostrils, or forced water down their throats. They beat one of my relatives to a pulp.' In several places, including Saigon, the tally of votes for Diem exceed-


(Page 224)

ed the number of registered voters. He claimed to have won 98.2 percent of the vote having spurned American advice to aim for amore plausible 60 or 70 percent. What the Americans failed to understand was that his mandarin mentality could not accept the idea of even minority resistance to his rule. With no compunctions whatsoever, Diem again renounced the nationwide elections prescribed by the Geneva agreement because, he said, theycould not be "absolutely free."'

If the Communist takeover of the north alarmed Washington and worried Diem, it only partially satisfied Ho Chi Minh and his comrades, who had been denied complete victory at the Geneva conference table. Within a year of the accord, moreover, they could sense that the elections scheduled to unify Vietnam would never take place. Diem refused to discuss election preparations, and the United States indirectly backed him, saying that the matter "should be left up to the Vietnamese themselves." The Soviet Union and China did nothing to press for a political settlement. So the deadline, July 1956, passed without any action to fulfill the most important clause in the Geneva agreement, and ti looked as if Vietnam would become another truncated nation, like Germany and Korea. Indeed, the Soviet Union even suggested a perma- nent partition by proposing in early 1957 that both North and South Vietnam be admitted to the United Nations as "two separate states. which differ from one another in political and economic structure." The United States, unwilling to recognize a Communist regime, rebuffed the initiativea grievous mistake. For international endorsement of "two Vietnams" might have averted the later confrontation. When Ho Chi Minh returned to Hanoi in October 1954, after eight years in the jungle, his problems differed from those that faced Diem. There were no fractious sects and gangsters to challenge his authority. The French army was leaving the north in orderly fashion, and the massive flight ofthe Catholics to the south made his control easier, since their fanatical anti-Communism would not nag him. He could also count on the fidelity of his soldiers and civilian cadres, whose loyalty had been tested during the struggle against France. But he was beset by severe economic difficulties. The war against the French had devastated the north. Railways had been disrupted, bridges blown up, buildings destroyed. On Diem's orders, departing anti-Communist Vietnamese had dismantled harbor installations, post offices, libraries, and hospitals, and stripped factories…:

(End of Page 224)


I scrolled through the history of the article, and found out the individual who wrote the original fabricated paragraph:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:YellowMonkey

Note that he calls himself “Yellow Monkey.”

As of now, my account is not automated yet, so I can’t edit anything. Could you please remove the fabricated information, and replace it with this?

“US officials advised Diem to claim 60-70% of the votes to make the election look plausible.”

Please make sure to provide your evidence and reasons in the article's Talk page.

Thank you so much and have a great day! :) Peashahum (talk) 03:06, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

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Hey Donald Trung, I did encounter some weird Eastern words that I didn't know what it meant in English, and want to ask you a question. What do these words "trấn yểm", "long mạch", "trấn trạch" and "sớ" mean in English. Look forward to receiving your response. ☀DefenderTienMinh⛤☯☽ (talk) 07:46, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

DefenderTienMinh07, on a cursory glance I've been able to find this, hope this helps. I'm not sure how to translate them, if you can't find an English translation it's best to use the term in the original language like this and then provide a short explanation to make it comprehensible for the readers. -- — Donald Trung (talk) 08:06, 20 July 2023 (UTC)