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I have found these images containing the sheet music as well as Sinh Viên Hành Khúc / Tiếng gọi thanh niên's lyrics in French and Vietnamese. I think these are worth being included in Wikimedia Commons. However, I do not know how to. Please help whenever you'll have the time to. Thanks in advance! Erminwin (talk) 21:37, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Need help

I have found these images containing the sheet music as well as Sinh Viên Hành Khúc / Tiếng gọi thanh niên's lyrics in French and Vietnamese. I think these are worth being included in Wikimedia Commons. However, I do not know how to. Please help whenever you'll have the time to. Thanks in advance! Erminwin (talk) 21:37, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Erminwin, I will copy this message there and I'll ping you there so I can explain how to import works using local links. As they say "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime". — Donald Trung (talk) 21:56, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Nguyễn Dynasty's Hanlin Academy

--Donald Trung (talk) 07:57, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Purity spiral

--Donald Trung (talk) 19:30, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Dead internet theory

Other people are working on it, I have too many projects to be working on. I'll check again if the article on this interesting conspiracy theory needs expansion when I'm done with everything else. For me this is a low priority so I'm taking it upon myself to de-list it from my to-do list (for now). Initially I felt like "I missed the boat" when someone else launched it, but I'm glad someone made it, as it was a shame that it was a redlink (same applies to "Purity spiral").

--Donald Trung (talk) 20:00, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

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You probably busy right now, but I need your help @Donald Trung. I am giving my arguments and asked why my edits is invalid (I have the sources and the information I added were even in other versions of Wikipedia).

But an Extended User are now in my talk page, talking about what I did wrong with an edit back then and are discrediting me. He said that the admins will even ban my account.

What should I do now?— Daeva Trạc (talk) 07:41, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

The arguments are now in my talk page about this 1 and this 2.- Daeva Trạc (talk) 07:47, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Daeva Trạc, I read the top of the discussion. I agree with the other user honestly but I can help you identify better sources if you'd ask me. Please don't add fictional flags to the actual Infoboxes of those articles and if you want to source maps to blogs it would either have to be (1) an expert blog run by an actual historian on the subject or (2) contain a photograph from a museum or a historian's work. I'm traveling now. — Donald Trung (talk) 07:52, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
I'm in the metro now but maps and flags you add need to be properly sourced, most blogs you cite tend to show these flags in festivals or in historical paintings, these aren't indications of them being either national flags (something Vietnam didn't have until 1886~8) or imperial standards. Vexilogical sources also clearly indicate that no tradition of national flags exists and unlike pre-modern Korea Historians haven't really unraveled many flags for pre-modern Vietnam meaning that many people created fantasies. Wikipedia used to be full of these fantasies and I think that it's good that you put them in a separate list of fantasy flags, however, I don't think that they should be placed anywhere else unless there's information about how they were used and when if they're real. A painting made hundreds of years after the fact isn't a reliable source, I don't think that the pre-Nam Việt used Chinese-style flags.
I'm in the Rotterdam Metro to Madurodam now, so I won't be able to reply until maybe tonight or tomorrow. But I agree with that user and if you're willing I could mentor you in discovering and finding reliable sources. -- — Donald Trung (talk) 07:56, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Also, when uploading fake flags to the Wikimedia Commons please only add them to the category for fake flags so they don't pollute the other categories, as people might mistake them for real flags. — Donald Trung (talk) 07:58, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
The arguments aren’t about the flags though. He just uses that (which I agree Im wrong) to discredit my edits. When you aren’t busy, please help me. I don’t even make anything up, I sources my maps, what I have gathered, I have the names from both Wikipedia and nonWiki sources and he still claims my edits were invalid. Most of the maps in Baiyue aren’t even sources and he only targeted me? I hope you have a great vacation, but help me if you can.— Daeva Trạc (talk) 08:02, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
@Donald Trung, the flag have been removed long ago and I haven’t re-edited them, or anything ever since (Im not sure if they have all been removed though). But the arguments aren’t even about that. In the Baiyue article, he deleted the information I took from other versions of Wikipedia, and then deleted the map that I made based on the information I have gathered (I even have sources why there are at least 2 maps in the article don’t. in the Hồng Bàng one, I again, based on a website that have an online version of Lĩnh am chích quái to draw my maps and he again deleted them (like if the sources in maps aren’t valid, what made the article as a whole?)— Daeva Trạc (talk) 07:57, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Daeva Trạc, Other Wikipedia's aren't exactly a good source, you should always inspect which sources they use. I often find blatantly wrong information at the Vietnamese-language Wikipedia, I am surprised how often that occurs, even if they cite otherwise reliable sources these sources can often still be blatantly wrong. Only copy from other Wikipedia's if it is reliably sourced. — Donald Trung (talk) 08:00, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Yes, but if Chinese/Japanese wiki and other nonWiki sources (usually in Chinese or Vietnamese) said the same things, I think they would be more reliable. You can see in the Files I put in.— Daeva Trạc (talk) 08:09, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Daeva Trạc, You sourced it to Wikipedia's, that's not good, you should source it to the sources used by those Wikipedia's. Please see "Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a reliable source". -- — Donald Trung (talk) 19:20, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Here are some of my works that he deleted: 12; and here are maps that somehow still being kept: 3,4Daeva Trạc (talk) 08:06, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Daeva Trạc, Ah, I think that I understand it. You see, the 100 Việt tribes of Southern China didn't have clear boundaries, your map uses very clear boundaries but the maps which are kept use vague boundaries. That is because we can't know where the Sơn Việt (山越) ended and the Hồ Việt (虎越) began. Your map makes it seem like there were clear territorial distinctions, but this wasn't really the case almost anywhere in the world until the latter half of the 19th (nineteenth) century. All we know are approximations, so it would probably be better overwrite the map without the clear and distinct colours, as the names are correct but the boundaries are too distinctive. Your map of Xich Quy is almost identical to the map used here. I do want to see a source on both honestly. -- — Donald Trung (talk) 19:08, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Daeva Trạc, Also, where did you source the Cờ Phú Quốc from? If it has no historical evidence it is best to only categorise it as either fictional or proposed. — Donald Trung (talk) 19:19, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
I just realised that most of this concerns the Wikimedia Commons and not Wikipedia per se as it all concerns files there. As it's easier to link to files there and policies there I'll continue this discussion at the Wikimedia Commons. Please message me there. — Donald Trung (talk) 20:02, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Các lá cờ

Thành thật xin lỗi, tôi ko giỏi tiếng Anh

Các lá cờ ko có thật chỉ cần xóa ra các bài viết, nó không cần phải dùng. nếu nó tiếp tục được hiển thị tại nhiều trang, nó sẽ tiếp tục lừa dối lịch sử, nhiều người vẫn tin, đó là mẹo vặt để lừa gạt tâm trí người khác, làm méo mó kiến thức người khác TUIBAJAVE (talk) 10:43, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

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I'm really sorry, my English not good

The flags are not real just delete the each article, it is not needed for use. if it continues to be displayed in many pages, it will continue to deceive history, many people still believe, it is a trick to deceive other people's minds, distort other people's knowledge TUIBAJAVE (talk) 10:43, 7 June 2023 (UTC) Have no anything to say? TUIBAJAVE (talk) 11:09, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

For context I replied on the article's talk page. We debunk false flags, not spread them. --Donald Trung (talk) 10:25, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

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