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Old drafts "preserved for attribution"

Hi Donald, I'm still puzzled that you keep old user drafts such as User:Donald Trung/Joseon Tongbo (朝鮮通寶), contrary to WP:COPYARTICLE. The draft says it's preserved for attribution, but that is not necessary as it is all the work of one editor, and the same editor (yourself) created the live page Joseon Tongbo. If you don't yet want to have the drafts deleted by using {{db-author}}, may I suggest you redirect them to the live pages?

The same goes for User:Donald Trung/Won (圓) expansion (October 2019) for which the live article Korean won existed before your work in 2019, but the expansion is clearly attributable solely to you in the live article history.

Additional note

May I also suggest that you add an archive box on this page with a start number? E.g.

Fayenatic London 08:55, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

@Fayenatic london:, I could nowoki the entire drafts if you want. I adopted this style after I saw a number of other people with drafts like this that weren't edited in years. I didn't know that they would show up on other peoples' work lists for maintenance as I deliberately placed categories like "Category:Modern obsolete currencies" so they wouldn't show up in any category pages. In some cases if I'm planning major expansions I tend to re-use old drafts, something which I (admittedly) didn't do with that old Won article as I put a date in the title to try and motivate myself to finish it within a certain period.
The way redirect works on mobile makes it less useful than nowoki'ing. I'm currently doing a number of courses off-wiki so several drafts that haven't been edited for years shouldn't be blanked (another advantage of these is that "Draft:" space articles, which I'm not allowed to edit anyhow because I had an emoji in my signature, get deleted after 6 (six) months). With nowoki'ing I mean put nowiki tags on the top and bottom of the draft, probably below the top notice.
If the only issue is the [[:Category:CATEGORYNAME]] showing up then I can nowiki those, as sometimes I use specific sections from these drafts (especially when I draft stuff in e-mail drafts).
Also, "WP:COPYARTICLE" is about a user page being merely used to keep an older version of the article, "WP:STALEDRAFT" which states "if the draft is not problematic (e.g. no BLP, reliability, promotional issues) but not ready for mainspace, let it be" and as far as I know I haven't written non-notable nor problematic articles. Feel free to add nowiki tags at the top and the bottom if you want to old drafts, I can do it myself in a few months (when I am finished with my courses) and I will then nowiki-tag articles I published as a standard measure (also as some active drafts I'm working on haven't been edited in sometime due to other projects). As far as I could find userspace drafts are the same as sandboxes, most of the policies I can find specifically states that non-notable and problematic content isn't to be preserved, nor content specifically copied to be older versions of existing main space articles. --Donald Trung (talk) 09:19, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Well, if you are still using them to draft other articles, then keep them. I don't mind updating the categories for you. You would lose this free benefit if you nowiki'd the page so that there was no active link to the current category.
Perhaps it would be helpful to state this rationale (preparing new articles) at the top of the page instead of the current line about attribution.
But why would you use a 2019 version to draft a new article, rather than using a current version? e.g. with updated categories?
If you only need the second part of your pages, with your templates for citations etc, please blank the part that was copied to the live article. That first part is literally a WP:COPYARTICLE, so should not be kept indefinitely. – Fayenatic London 17:15, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
Fayenatic london, I nowiki'd it like this, is this sufficient? As I don't really think that there's a difference between this and blanking and it's extremely difficult to load source text using a mobile device, well, you basically first have to revert, copy what you want, and then re-do it. At least this way it won't show up in maintenance categories, nor will it be difficult to use it on a mobile device. -- — Donald Trung (talk) 17:34, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
You haven't addressed anything I just wrote, but that edit did remove the page from category backlinks e.g. Special:WhatLinksHere/Category:Joseon, which would avoid me seeing it again. I don't understand your intentions at all, and the "preserved for attribution" line is plain wrong, but I think you are here in good faith so I'll just leave you in peace! – Fayenatic London 07:46, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
Fayenatic london, perhaps "attribution" is the wrong word as I want to preserve the editing history. I thought I wrote that above, otherwise I forgot to insert it. Oftentimes I use the same page to sandbox multiple expansions to multiple articles so performing a history merge wouldn't make much sense, but I often use the editing history to look back at my edits to see how I built an article as I also prefer to keep a public record of that. I also wanted to invite others in WikiProjects to look over them before launching, but as I'm not allowed to edit WikiProjects I cannot ask anyone for help before launching, so originally I did intend others to edit and improve them before launch, but now I can't.
Also, the editing history of a page doesn't purely exist for copyright attribution but also to let others scrutinise specific edits.
I will nowiki finished drafts after my course is over, which I hope will be next month, that way they don't show up in maintenance categories and won't waste anyone's time. — Donald Trung (talk) 08:07, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
Also, they don't show up if you specifically only filter them for mainspace pages
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Category%3AJoseon&namespace=0 — Donald Trung (talk) 08:08, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
True, but filtering like that would actually take more time! Moreover, we need to update redlinks in other spaces e.g. Category, Template and some in Wikipedia or Portal, not just mainspace. As for user space, other users sometimes thank me for updating drafts that they are still working on, although it is not standard practice for admins to do so. – Fayenatic London 08:23, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

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