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Third opinion

I've got an IP steaming on my talk page about this. If I'm handling this wrong, I would like to invite you, if you feel like to weigh in there with your thoughts. SlightSmile 18:55, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

By coincidence I was just looking at that incident this morning as I still have your talk page watch-listed, and I put an NPA warning on the IP's talk page. It might already be too late for that now, though, as they seem to be on a dynamic IP or editing from both work and home. I found their remarks rude and insulting and if they continue I can try to do a range block if the IPs are at all similar. Please don't respond in kind and don't say their stuff looks made-up; just say "revert unsourced changes" or some such innocuous remark. Note at least some of the material is copy vio and the article needs quite a bit of clean-up in that regard for a piece of its size. --Diannaa (Talk) 19:09, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Still things to learn. SlightSmile 21:30, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
I am gonna strip out the copy vio stuff now so we shall see if the sparks fly. --Diannaa (Talk) 22:47, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Further checking reveals that we were copied and not the other way round. The article is not much changed since early days. --Diannaa (Talk) 23:09, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
You mean (sniff) no sparks? SlightSmile 23:14, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
I am disappointed too ;) But maybe I can angry them up with some copy edits. ---Diannaa (Talk) 00:18, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Nice work, all cleaned up. Everybody will be happy with that. SlightSmile 00:51, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Do you think it is fit enough now so that we can remove the advert tag? Or should be get rid of the "college thrived" and other remaining bits of puffery? --Diannaa (Talk) 00:57, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Get rid of more puffery. "A new beginning". The layout is pretty good though, so hate to mess with that. I havn't much experience with content so I wouldn't be much help. I like the WWII history. I wonder if that was the make shift hospital where the atrocities in The Valour and the Horror#Savage Christmas happened. SlightSmile 01:42, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
La Salle students cheering picture should line up better with the "School spirit" section. Do we need a picture of Wong Yen-kit. Principals section, do we need to know the principals of the school? I don't want to risk an ec otherwise I'd love to do the change. SlightSmile 01:55, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Ok, I will stop for a minute so you can work on it. --Diannaa (Talk) 02:00, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
I have no problem leaving in the list of principals and as many pics as there are room for. --Diannaa (Talk) 02:20, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
I took them out, I'll watch as you put them back in. I was going to suggest taking Layman principals out as well. SlightSmile 02:29, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
No, its cool. I do not care deeply. --Diannaa (Talk) 02:31, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

You're too quick! :-)

Hi,

Thanks for the quick block of 24.189.169.225 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). I wasn't expecting someone to notice so quickly and was in the process of creating a SPI here... 24.189.168.173. What should happen with that (now actioned) SPI? Acps110 (talk • contribs) 04:00, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

The experts reviewed what I did and feel it was appropriate, and the SPI is closed. I saw his post while patrolling and hence the quick block. I thought about alerting you but instead I just WP:BRI'd the guy. He had 30 minutes of fame and then ranted on his talk page for a while and got that shut down too. --Diannaa (Talk) 04:14, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Cool. I just felt a little silly after saving the SPI then reloading my watchlist. ;-) Acps110 (talk • contribs) 04:21, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, my bad. I Shoulda told you. --Diannaa (Talk) 04:23, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 21 February 2011

How Jutts treat Labana

Dianna,

Since you posted comments on my talk page, I think its important that you are aware that the user Sikh-history belongs to Jutt community (as he identifies himself on his page). The Jutt community in Punjab is known to treat Labana community in a very derogatory manner throughout history. This user has very carefully and cunningly removed content that shows anything positive about Labana community. I think to draw a conclusion that I am wrong just based on the fact that I re-added some content back that the biased user sikh-history removed is little premature.

He keeps adding it a Sikhism tag to it, which is wrong. to give you an analogy, its like since Apple is a fruit, it is 'Pie recipe' topic. Similarly, he would keep on changing Labana classification from a Tribe to a caste, which is again wrong. Only people who belong to the community know if it is a tribe or a caste, not an outsider. Labana being a tribe is evident from the Punjabi_tribes page.

I request you to suggest me on how to deter the bad behavior of user:sikh-history, to whom the labana page doesn't concern at all; someone who has his own Jutt agenda to push.

Smartest stupid (talk) 01:10, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I think you have misinterpreted Sikh-history's intentions here. What he did was remove material that was posted without quoting any reliable sources. This edit is unacceptable because you have not quoted a source for the material, and that is why it was removed. Please note that it is not true that Sikhs and Jatts are not allowed to edit where they please on this wiki, so sorry. --Diannaa (Talk) 04:06, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
So if I have a piece of information that was passed on to me by my ancestors, are you suggesting that I write or have someone write a book first, publish it and then cite it? Doesn't sound right. Also, I don't think that resources for information are limited to books.

Smartest stupid (talk) 05:08, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

The information we put on the Wikipedia website must be verifiable by the reader. All content must be verifiable, and come from high quality sources that it is reasonably easy for anyone to check, such as books and reputable websites. That means that information passed on to you by your ancestors cannot be inserted into Wikipedia articles. If you do not agree with this policy, you are free to start a blog or contribute at other websites where sourcing requirements are not as strict. --Diannaa (Talk) 05:15, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Hang-on, not so fast
Pls read this first:
Can I ask why you simply chose to ignore the incorrect tagging of the article being discussed. I gave my arguments above, seems like you may not have read them. This biased user has at least 5 times added a caste classification on Labana page whereas he is smart enough not to do that for his own tribe pages: Jatt people or Jatt Sikh page, for which he is a regular editor. How is that not being pushing an agenda? There are plenty of references online which attest to the fact that Labana, for that matter Jatt and other social groups in Punjab are tribes and not Hindu castes. Please explain how and why you chose to ignore that behavior of this Jatt guy.
Finally, your claim that my edit added content which did not carry reference, is wrong. I did not make up that content, but re-added content removed by the biased Jatt user. And the reason I say you are wrong in this case is because that even though the content did not included additions to the reference section but it still did cite the source. This biased Jatt user, who dream to be an wiki admin one day, when saw that content last year decided to just remove it altogether instead of moving the reference to the appropriate reference section. As an admin, how can you just ignore that?
If you claim to be an arbitrator, then be a fair arbitrator.

Smartest stupid (talk) 05:25, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

This really is too much. This is plain racism. Jatt-Sikhs and Labana Sikhs in Punjab enjoy a similar status. I have no interest in bigging up any caste tribe. Like any other tribal group like Jatts, Labana's too have a duality when it comes to the caste system. They are tribal as well as a caste in their own right. Other examples of this being Gujjar, Kambho, Arora, etc. Thanks--SH 11:55, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Dear fellow-editor, Mr/Ms Sikh-history, You are making very serious accusations about me being racist whereas your actions can be proven to be racist instead of any of my actions. Please do not attack others as you did in your comments above. Please stay cool and I request you to not leave comments like "in future do not bring talk about any article to my talk page" as you did regarding me on your talk page.

Smartest stupid (talk) 17:03, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Do you really not see how contradictory that is? You just accused someone of a personal attack while in the very same sentence made a personal attack against them. No one should be calling anyone racist anywhere on Wikipedia. Ever. If you think someone's edits are inappropriate, discuss the edits, not the editor, and do so under the framework of the need for WP to have a neutral point of view. If you sincerely believe that someone is editing in bad faith, there are noticeboards where you can raise that issue. But note that your own behavior will come under scrutiny as well. Instead, I recommend calming down, relaxing, and editing per Wikipedia policy. That means being neutral in all articles, it means ensuring that all information you add is verified by reliable sources, and it means being wiling to collaborate with other editors, even if they have different opinions from you. Wikipedia's kind-of a weird place; we have all sorts of unexpected rules that aren't the same as other websites, and it looks like you're still getting used to those. That's fine--it takes time. While you're doing so, though, you'd be best to take some of your own advice about being cool. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:58, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Qwyrxian, you are right in saying that I am learning the Wiki rules. I had no idea about noticeboard until I read your comment above. I would expect that others (I am honestly not referring to just one individual here) should have made similar suggestions instead of just citing a violation and threatening of getting blocked. Thanks again.

Smartest stupid (talk) 05:26, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Ref: Anna Anderson edits from Sept. 2010

Diannaa, I quote you:

"Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit you made to Anna Anderson has been reverted, as it appears to have removed content from the page without explanation. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, please ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. Diannaa (Talk) 00:25, 29 September 2010 (UTC)" -from talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:74.101.236.156

I want you to know my IP fluctuates for security purposes, but I am NOT this IP 74.101.236.156 - I gave up on the Anna Anderson article long ago. They did not respect me over there after all I did to clean up that work, and DrKiernan and I worked together on it in the summer of 2009.

That is the work that gave it the present basic shape - DrKiernan did the rest. I was mad at them for a while because they refused to include germane content for a section they started ... a section I would never have put in.

They also have steadily refused to include the writings of Robert Massie on the subject of Anna, but I surrendered that, as I said, long ago.

All that concerns me now is this IP address - someone is trying to look like MY IP range, but that address does not fall exactly into my security IP range. This is only the 2nd time this has ever occurred at Wikipedia.75.21.119.216 (talk) 07:58, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I understand your concern; if you share the same range of dynamic IPs with a vandalistic editor, no one will realise that it is not you. The simplest solution is to create an account. --Diannaa (Talk) 19:45, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

The February 2011 Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive Needs Your Help!

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Belitung and vandals

Hi

Thanks for doing that copyedit :¬) Once again some silly obvious things I missed, although this time I am going to blame the fact that I wrote the whole thing and got snow-blindness lol

Couple of things though, the site was not purchased, the fishermen sold the details of the location. Also the company Seabed Explorations is a German company, not New Zealand, so "of New Zealand" should probably go back to "in New...". Should I put those back in or do you want to fix that?, your prose is a little better than mine!

That leaves the "genus" italics. I did check on the trees and there was a specific mention in MoS of italicising genus and below, but not family - I think I got a little confused there as the source had sp. and was not clear on which were genus, after checking I found that some things had changed since 1990 (such as the non-existence of "legumes" anymore!) and just forgot to go back and correct the previous, thanks for that. It got a little confusing on the teredo worm as the wiki article Shipworm seems to list "Teredo Worms" as a family in the lead, but then has teredo as a genus in Shipworm#Genera - I am unsure of which it should be, family or genus?

I still have more to do on the cargo but that can wait until the weekend I think ...

Vandals - where is it best to start? I noticed your request for help, but have only used the recent changes page and Lupins js script. I got sick of going to look at a link from the recent changes and then finding ten other editors had already pounced and when one went back to refresh the recent changes page, there were so many to check that it was impossible to see which were fixed and which weren't.

There seems to be no way to retrospectively check what was missed - I was hoping you might be able to point me in the right direction there?

Chaosdruid (talk) 05:44, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Vandals: I don't think there is any way to go back and see what was missed. There are hundreds of edits every minute. I use Huggle for vandal fighting. You need to have rollback; you can request permission and then try it out. Sometimes people beat me; Tide Rolls is very fast and so are a few others. Check it out WP:Huggle.
the article: I just followed the links to see which ones were italicised. Please go ahead and correct the mistakes I made in my edits. TTYL --Diannaa (Talk) 06:43, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
No changes needed to your edits, they were perfect corrections to my missed italicising! The only confusion was over the teredo worm, whether it was as a genus or family. The Wikiarticle says the generic name for the whole Teredinidae family is Teredo Worms, and then gives a separate genus as Teredinidae Teredo as well, a little confusing and I will have to research that one a little more I suspect.
I downloaded and installed Huggle but it seems to be stuck on the start/sign in page - maybe it doesn't like me lol. I'll investigate in a little while and then maybe read the manual lol, it's like everything try first, then the manual (usually followed by some botched repairs), then buy a replacement and do it properly :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 15:36, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Ah! Thought I had rollback rights as the rollback appears on edits, but that must be just through twinkle or something...best I apply then I suppose lol Chaosdruid (talk) 15:39, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
I see you got that rollback now. Happy hunting., --Diannaa (Talk) 02:50, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
It actually felt a little like I imagine an AfD must feel, waiting to see if I am trusted enough.
Lo and behold the first thing I did was go and give a wrong AfD notice which I had to self revert, then panic for an hour while I tried to understand it all, just like Twinkle you cannot see the notices or stop them. I chose "nonsense" by mistake and then did not get the change to save it or go back - it just did it...talk about sweating! I also realisd that I was clicking the big red button instead of the red one with the ! on it, silly me, live and learn though I suppose. I don't think there were any missed notices but at least I know roughly what I'm doing now.
I just had to give someone an AWD notice for legal threats, never done that before so gave one to myself to read it first then undid it - hoping that won't go on my record now also!
Huggle seems pretty good now I am not so scared of it, lmao. Chaosdruid (talk) 05:41, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
It is really fun once you get the hang of it. I made some mistakes at first and still make a few. There's no rush; if you're not sure just go to your normal interface and check things out such as reviewing speedy criterion and checking histories and stuff like that. It's addictive, oops, I forgot to warn you, soon you will be hooked like me. --Diannaa (Talk) 06:41, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

A request for review

Hi Diana,

If you don't mind a long read, I would like some advice from you on this editor review. What I aim to get is some perspective on the relevant matter.

Thanks. Bobthefish2 (talk) 03:56, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Two main points: Many of your comments towards other users are inflammatory and are leading to an un-collegiate atmosphere on the talk pages you choose to edit. Perhaps a relative newcomer such as yourself might be better off starting out editing less contentious articles at first and then coming back to this work later in your Wikipedia career.
Second point: User:Qwyrxian‎ is an editor who enjoys working on contentious articles. He is very good at it because he chooses articles in which he is not emotionally vested and thus he is able to behave neutrally. This is a person who can be trusted. Just so you know. --Diannaa (Talk) 17:07, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

GOCE requests archive

oh dear ! today is getting to be more of a disaster as it goes along...

Where did I go wrong there? (you may well ask!)

I ordered them by "date posted" before editing it and then probably started adding them as if I had ordered by date of completion I suspect. I am going to just let you do that until I have had lots of coffee and have analysed my stupidity lol

Sorry, the idea was to save you coordinators work, not add to it  :¬(

Chaosdruid (talk) 21:00, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. Worse things have happened, today, and yesterday. As you have prolly gathered by now, I add them to the archive when they are requested and then add the other info as we go along. I have to update it once or twice a day to be sure I catch all the info. Any (ok maybe not any) help is appreciated. --Diannaa (Talk) 21:07, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

There's precedent for FedEx'd cookies ;)

Gold Hat has eaten your {{cookie}}! The cookie made them happy and they'd like to give you a great big hug for donating it. Spread the WikiLove by giving out more {{cookie}}s, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Thanks again!

Spread the goodness of cookies by adding {{subst:cookie}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message, or eat a cookie with {{subst:munch}}!

Comprehending a conundrum

Would appreciate your views on the following predicament which pertains to my run ins with another editor where you have been inter-weaning and brings up the following issues .

  • Two editors have overlapping interest over related pages and provide contentious edits .
  • Is not , verifiability of content from reliable sources the sacrosanct criteria for wikipedia  ? Or is this selectively applicable. ?
  • Is it reasonable for an editor to purposefully object/ delete / place warnings relating to un cited content on some article or users talk-pages pages while simultaneously continue to contribute un-cited or shoddy citations on others ?
  • When a singular issue effecting multiple articles arise regarding a single editors manifold edits , where should it be discussed expansively

(a) on multiple talk pages simultaneously ?
(b) on the objecting editors page ?
(c) on the contributing editors page ?
(d) on an editors page ?

  • I hope you are quite sure of the veracity , depth and accuracy of content on various pages that you would bring yourself to defend an editor you are intervening on behalf of .

In the circumstance , if confronting these issues is going to draw allusion to stalking , is it time to pack up and leave wikipedia ? Thanks
Intothefire (talk) 19:12, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

If you see unsourced or poorly sourced material in a Wikipedia article, you can remove it or attempt to come up with a source. Discussions about articles should take place on the talk pages of the specific articles. Not all unsourced material need be removed. In the case of India, vast amounts of material on villages, people, and historical events has no sources at all. It's a huge problem and one that will not be solved overnight.
I am just going to speak in generalities here and not pull up any specific diffs. There is no need for you to make sweeping remarks about the behaviour of other editors; you are not the wiki-police. User Sikh-history has been editing Wikipedia for many years, and during our recent association has gotten to be an even better editor; he is less likely to make remarks about other people's behaviour and more willing to ignore comments regarding his own behaviour that he feels are inappropriate or even personal attacks. And he is more likely than ever to have reliable sources for the edits that he makes. You are certainly welcome to continue editing Wikipedia, if you don't mind a little advice I suggest you stop focusing on Sikh-history's behavior and start focusing on improving the articles. This feud is interfering with the ability of both of you to contribute productively to the encyclopedia. --Diannaa (Talk) 19:25, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk page tag for edited by

Hi

Do i need to go and retrospectively add the {{GOCE|user=UserName|date=date completed}} to articles I did from the requests page?

It is no problem and I shall willingly do it if I should have done it :¬)

Chaosdruid (talk) 19:42, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi, It's totally up to you as to how many of these you add. Personally I usually only add them to ones where I put in vast amounts of work, or ones I intend to watch-list. SMasters would like to see a heavy use of this tag as a way to promote the Guild. --Diannaa (Talk) 19:48, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 Done Most of the ones I did were extensive edits lol. I added them - the drive is about to start so lets hope it gets us some more members! (plus a lot of them were old GAs or FA noms) Chaosdruid (talk) 20:03, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
High-traffic articles are a good bet to help promote the Guild. Thanks for all your help. --Diannaa (Talk) 23:18, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

OMG its him again

Sorry, but you appear to be the only co-ordinator online atm!

I am having a two small and probably easily fixed dilemmas.

  • A Boston, Massachusetts, is the ...
  • B Boston, Massachusetts is the
  • A London, England, is the ...
  • B London, England is the ...

Which is correct - B one, or A two commas? I have searched MoS' on place names and others as well as some archives but cannot find anything, maybe I am suffering from snow-blindness.

The second problem is counter-attack and counterattack. It seems that counterattack is an accepted variation apart form in more long-established dictionaries like OED. Counteroffensive seemed a little too much without the - and so in the end I used counter-attack and counter-offensive as there were more further in and so it maintained consistency.

Once again, sorry to keep bugging you :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 02:08, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Chicago Manual of Style 6.46 says "A" is correct for place names. The dashes are common in a British version and are omitted in the Amercian version American and British English spelling differences#Compounds and hyphens. Cheers, --Diannaa (Talk) 02:21, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for that - I will have to go and redo one then Battle of the Chinese Farm, it was an A class as well, I was reluctant to touch those higher classes until now but at least my knowledge is increasing on copyediting lmao Chaosdruid (talk) 03:53, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I was reluctant at first too. They are nerve-wracking and I am never sure my result is up to snuff. Looks like Chinese Farm is using American variants --Diannaa (Talk) 03:58, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
In the day-month-year style of dates, a comma must be used to set off the year. "The Battle of the Chinese Farm took place during October 15 to October 17, 1973, between the Egyptian Army and the Israel Defense Forces" --Diannaa (Talk) 04:03, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Oh - I did discuss that with two other editors and one checked their Chicago manual, they said it recommended to not use it. I will look up the conversations. We also could not find anything in the MoS.
The first discussion is here User_talk:Chaosdruid/Archive_3#Year_and_comma & User_talk:Cmr08#Year_and_comma Chaosdruid (talk) 04:16, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Here are the examples from Chicago .
  • The performance took place on February 2, 2006, at the State Theatre...(American system: place a comma after the year)
  • See his journal entries of 6 October 1999 and 4 January 2000. (British system: no comma)
  • In March 2008 she turned seventy-five. (where a month and year only are given [this is also what to do when only the year is given. For example, "In 1968 many bad things happened."])
  • On Thanksgiving Day 1998 they celebrated....(specific day such as a holiday, along with a year: omit the comma). --Diannaa (Talk) 04:33, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

I give up, cannot find the conversation with whoever it was, the annoying thing was it was someone I trusted, similarly to yourself and Utahraptor, and more annoyingly I have been "correcting" them as I trusted what they said!

That's a pretty big list of articles I need to go and fix... Chaosdruid (talk) 05:13, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

I suppose they were as trustworthy as you as it was you and me lol, it was us having a discussion about commas after year User_talk:Diannaa/Archive_6#Commas_after_year - It seems I got a little confused between MoS and Chicago, whereas Chicago does say it should, MoS doesn't...I guess I thought that as we have:
  • "January 5–7, 1979 with an unspaced..."
  • "In general, the following formats are acceptable
Month before day: February 14 and February 14, 1990 (comma required)
Day before month: 14 February and 14 February 1990 (no comma)"
For me, to be correct as the Chicago and as you say, MoS should either say that both are correct but follow US ENGVAR for US articles, or say
February 14, 1990, (two commas required) and
14 February 1990, (one comma required)
In reality the MoS needs to clarify it, will post there if we cannot agree on which is right. They must have surely come across this before?
I do agree that they should not unnecessarily be changed though, so would go with an ENGVAR solution. Chaosdruid (talk) 06:11, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
I finally found it, in of all places the Basic Copyediting guide Wikipedia:COPYEDIT#Common edits
Yup, discussion but no action Wikipedia_talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)/Archive 120#Commas after year in dates, Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)/Archive 79#Proposed clarification regarding comma usage in American dates
I suppose it is my own fault for not reading the Basic guide properly, I too often go straight to MoS and its sub pages. Chaosdruid (talk) 06:23, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Most people will not object if you go with what Chicago says. A WP:MILHIST article or one that is close to promotion to FA will typically have a style chosen and there is no need to change it. Just make it uniform throughout the article. That includes date formatting in the citations: it should follow the same style as the article. If the FA reviewer demands a change, the article is often changed, but not always. Some folks are stubborn enough to forego promotion, or have a valid reason for a specific style.The MoS is locked right now as people are arguing about something, but I don't have time to follow what's happening there as I have other Annapurnas I am dealing with right now. --Diannaa (Talk) 17:03, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Mentor?

Hello Diannaa, I got to your page through the WP:Guild of Copyeditors, mentorship program. I personally would love to try and improve my copyediting skills. Most of the articles I write are about history, archaeology, architecture (mostly in relation to the Ancient Near East and particularly Syria. Do let me know if you are still available as a mentor. Thanks. Yazan (talk) 12:32, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Yazan. Sure, we could get started right away. If you have a particular article you would like me to review to get started, please let me know. Umayyad Mosque looks interesting --Diannaa (Talk) 17:10, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, that's wonderful. I'm glad you noticed the Umayyad Mosque article, we're working on rewriting it to GA. We've just started scratching the surface though (The history section is being written at the moment). How do we go about doing this? Yazan (talk) 18:40, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Here is a checklist that is used for GA reviews, and there are a bunch of tips at the bottom of the article for specific things to look for. I will have a look at the article shortly in more detail; I am finishing up reviewing something else right now. I will post some comments on the article talk page later. See you soon. --Diannaa (Talk) 18:45, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Diannaa, Thanks for the prompt response, I am following the changes. But I fear this might be premature, as the article needs to be completely re-written before we attempt a copy-edit. I just don't want you to be wasting your time on sections that will probably be deleted all together shortly (although I appreciate the learning process). What do you think? Yazan (talk) 19:36, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Okay, if that is what you think. I am unclear how I can help then at this point on this particular article. --Diannaa (Talk) 19:38, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

(indent) How about I contact you again in a week or so when the article has taken a rough shape, and needs only minor changes and copyedits? (if it's not a bother, that is). Thanks again! Yazan (talk) 19:47, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Sure. If you have any other more completed articles you would like me to copy edit in the meantime, please let me know. Thanks. --Diannaa (Talk) 19:49, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
In fact, Citadel of Damascus, was just nominated for GA, could you possibly go through it? Yazan (talk) 14:21, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I will do it later today, and write a little commentary. --Diannaa (Talk) 15:04, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
I have started the copy edits and have put some remarks on a sub-page here. I will finish later. --Diannaa (Talk) 00:54, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
I have finished the copy edits. Please be sure to have a look at the sub-page as there are a couple of items you will need to deal with before the article gets its GA review. The article is very interesting. --Diannaa (Talk) 04:49, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

(indent) Thank you Diannaa! I will go through the changes later tonight. Thanks! Yazan (talk) 05:25, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Apparently, the person this IP has not learned his lesson. He keeps coming back to make unnecessary or inaccurate changes to the New York City Subway articles. Thanks for reverting them all. I just hope he stops coming back for good because User:Acps110 and I are very annoyed by him. BTW, how do you add em dashes to articles? I seem to be able to only add en dashes. The Legendary Ranger (talk) 14:31, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Down below where I Save page-Show preview-Show changes, there is a little menu where I can select symbols to be inserted. Do you have this menu? it says "insert" on the left and there is a selection of stuff you can add. That's where I get my dashes. --Diannaa (Talk) 15:03, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Diannaa You suck and you are not christian you satanist! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fireflow77 (talk • contribs) 21:16, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Apologies owed

Hi

I just posted on Toasts page User talk:Tea with toast#Edit count on Kutch article, I have been up all night (literally) trying to work something out, thought you would like to see the results, a little embarrassing but at least I'm laughing now ! (though that may be from all the caffeine lol) Chaosdruid (talk) 16:50, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

I am glad you found the answer. It's like before we had Google and we would puzzle for days over "Oh, jeez, what was that actor's name?" --Diannaa (Talk) 21:55, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
LMAO - Looks like I will be too burned out for day 1 of the drive though, been busy with Wikipedia:Wiki Guides putting tabs on the pages (that I stole off the GOCE ones !! lol)

Copy edit

Hi Diannaa, I'm looking for a copy editor who can take on a 20kb article (in British English) and massage some prose from good to 1a standard, so obviously, I need an experienced copy editor (I'm useless at copy-editing my own prose!) and the GOCE seems to have taken a different direction away from FA-level copy edits. Are you up for it and, if not, do you know someone who might be? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:40, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

I can have a look but typically have not the expertise to get beyond A-class. Malleus is the best copy-editor but he is not accepting many requests right now. You could try him, and otherwise let me know if you want me to do it. You have not said which article? --Diannaa (Talk) 21:50, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Malleus did my GA review and did a great job with the prose, but it could do with fresh eyes. The article is Mike Jackson. Anything you could do would be appreciated—it's a bit repetitive in places and there are bits that could do with a massage. I'm pretty sure it's just about sorted for MoS compliance,a t least. Much appreciated, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:08, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Ok, I will see what I can find to do to it! --Diannaa (Talk) 23:12, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
I have done a round of edits and will give it one more pass tomorrow. --Diannaa (Talk) 03:19, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Ok, I am gonna stop now. Just to let you now, my dictionary shows "peacetime" and "drawdown" as single words. You had them as two words. If this is a British variation, please let me know, and we'll change them back. Regards, --Diannaa (Talk) 01:16, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 February 2011

Wierd name spelling. where are you from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.246.72.135 (talk) 00:14, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism on user talk page

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user talk page of this fan. ;-) Trijnstel (talk) 14:13, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. --Diannaa (Talk) 14:53, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Prose size?

I tried to install the Prose Size tool, and it appears to have worked, because I see the "Page size" choice in my Toolbox. However, when I click this tool, the "Prose size (text only)" line only contains the number of words that are not found in a bullet. On Alternate versions of Wonder Woman for example, it only shows 22 words, because most of the article is bulleted lists. Is this the correct function of Prose Size? Johnson487682 (talk) 17:57, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it is functioning correctly. For our purposes, if you choose to edit these articles, you can copy the contents into a word processing software that has a word count and use the count from that. --Diannaa (Talk) 19:10, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

reference. Having a problem with citation adding

Hi fellow editor, I cannot seem to use the addons to add proper citations. Is there a problem with my addons? Thanks --SH 18:04, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't know the answer to this one. Perhaps post this question at the WP:Village Pump? --Diannaa (Talk) 19:12, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Copyediting NC 13

I copyedited and added a template to North Carolina Highway 13, and added the reporting template below yours, but I have no idea how to calculate the words, or how to prevent the 13 from slipping away from the article name. Advice?--DThomsen8 (talk) 03:30, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi, and thank you very much for joining the Drive. I have corrected the entry for your article. The word count is calculated before you begin the copy edits using a script that you can install on your monobook.js or whatever skin you happen to be using. It's easy to install and use. Instructions to get started are Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives#Instructions for participants. I think that answers the word count question; if you have any problems installing the script or using it to obtain word counts, please let me know. I see what the second problem is and I think it has something to do with the columns in the word count template. I'll look into it some more. --Diannaa (Talk) 03:51, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 Fixed --Diannaa (Talk) 04:03, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
I will go ahead and install the script, but if I have already done a copyedit, then how would I get or have a word count? --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:27, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, don't answer, I see how to do it in the Instructions for participants.--DThomsen8 (talk) 14:30, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at User_talk:SMasters#Potential_issue_with_copy_editor_Ankit_Maity's talk page.

Case Closed: The Raven Chaser & Copy editors

Hey Diannaa. I have for a long time now wanted to become invloved in content contributions while I continue "backend" works, but I don't have time to sit down and write articles. I think that the GOCE is something that I can do that will get me involved again in contributing to Wikipedia article wise. I have joined the drive and have done Case Closed: The Raven Chaser and would like you to review it and let me know how I did on my first run. Thanks for your time in advance. -- DQ (t) (e) 22:03, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome aboard. I don't actually write articles either! I think we have plenty to do just to improve the stuff we already have on the site. I will check over your edit later. Thank you very much for signing up for the drive. --Diannaa (Talk) 22:08, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Copy edits were pretty well done on this article. I added a few more links but that's about all. Thank you for your work. --Diannaa (Talk) 01:28, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I will take a look in the morning. Thanks for your time. -- DQ (t) (e) 04:01, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Sangaria, India

I have signed up for the March copy editing drive and would be glad if you could have a look at my first effort, Sangaria, India. Actually it was not a good choice for a first try as it included a number of technical terms and abbreviations unfamiliar to me, but I did the best I could. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:54, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

You did very well, especially with the linking. The more articles about India that you do, the easier it gets, as you become familiar with the terminology and recognise terms even when they are misspelled. Thank you for joining the copy edit drive. --Diannaa (Talk) 19:37, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

FYI

Hi Fellow Editor, I have had to revert this, as the user had left abusive messages on his own talk page. He may need a further block. Thanks --SH 13:09, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi, S-H. I have removed the user's talk-page access. Now if they wish to apply for unblock they will have to send an e-mail to the higher authorities. Thank you for reporting this problem. --Diannaa (Talk) 14:48, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Need reviews

Please come on over and give me a review at state reptile. TCO (talk) 19:22, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I will have to say no, as I have not done any FA reviews so far, and have only done one GA review, so feel I am still underqualified to tackle a review at that level. Also I am swamped: I am working on the Drive, requests for copy edit, I've got my country's 500th anniversary to plan... --Diannaa (Talk) 19:33, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
It's at FLC. It's short. You can handle it. Will be a good way to learn! Plus I've got something cooking for Rexx and Jack. TCO (talk) 19:57, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
*big sigh* Well I have been looking at it and have found some improvements I can suggest so I will go ahead and review it. I got a RL thing to do tonight but will get it done by the end of the weekend. Plus if you are planning a surprise for those two guys, that would be fun :7 --Diannaa (Talk) 22:59, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

R U available to mentor?

I'd like to participate in the backlog elimination drive to improve my editing skills (I'm new). Are you available to review my edits? Octopet (talk) 21:18, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I can do that! Thank for for joining up. Do you want to post articles here that you want checked? Or I could review the ones you post on the Drive page if you like, and give you feedback. --Diannaa (Talk) 22:21, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
How do I post them to the drive page? I've reread that page several times and still don't understand how to participate... duh! Here's one I'm working on now: [1]. I changed it from future tense to past tense in order to correct the "unsourced predictions". If you think I've done this correctly, I'll remove that tag. Thank you Octopet (talk) 22:34, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Please also tell me how I'm doing on these CE so far: [2]. Thanks Octopet (talk) 22:59, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
This article was improved quite a bit by your edits. Here are some more edits that were required:
  • Film titles should be in italics
  • Bulleted lists that are sentence fragments do not get periods
  • There were still some items that were future tense instead of past
  • There were some spelling errors that you missed
  • Headers should not be in capital letters
I have removed the "update" and "crystal" tags. Articles that you wish to include for the copy edit drive should be marked with a {{copy edit}} tag as the idea is to reduce the number of articles with that tag. I think a good place for you to start is by reading this page, as it is a step-by-step guide that details what to do while copy editing. I will check out the Bihar article and get back to you.
This page gives instructions of how to participate in the drive. Please read through them and let me know if you have any questions. Cheers, --Diannaa (Talk) 23:03, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

2008 Bihar flood

Your edits are good so far. Here are a couple of additional edits I added in the section you have completed:

  • You are correct to change the date format to British style as the article is about India. However the comma is omitted; i.e. 18 August 2008
  • Punctuation needs to be placed in front of the ref tag
  • "alluvial fan" is a better link than "alluvial"
  • Watch out for the word "also". I almost always remove it.
  • There is no point linking Kosi as it just goes to a disambiguation page and we have already linked Kosi River
  • Watch for over-linking in the remainder of the article. Items should be linked once in the lead and once in the body of the article. Please let me know when you have completed some more work and I will go over it for you. Cheers, --Diannaa (Talk) 05:15, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
Hello again. I made more edits [3]. Today it looks like someone has tagged this for CE for backlog elimination, so should I stop working on this article? I installed the page size/word count program and looked at the starting word count for this article before I started working on it. I'm not certain what to do with this information and how to record it for the backlog elimination drive. Thanks Octopet (talk) 20:31, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi. It looks like they removed the tag moments later, so I think it is OK To proceed. I will look at your recent batch of edits later tonight and give your some feedback. --Diannaa (Talk) 22:49, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
This sentence is too long and the grammar is not very good: "This process eventually raises a channel above surrounding terrain, upon which the river breaks out seeking lower terrain, which it again proceeds to elevate by deposition and creating a cone-shaped alluvial fan." How about "This process eventually raises a channel above the surrounding terrain. The river breaks out, seeking lower terrain, which it again proceeds to elevate by deposition. This creates a cone-shaped alluvial fan." The number 1,000 needs to have a cooma. Everything else is good. I see you have got your sign-up done on the drive page. You can look at how some of the other editors have posted their articles. It's not hard. Regards, --Diannaa (Talk) 01:20, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Copy editing backlog

I have been participating in the copy editing backlog elimination drive. I have not been active in copy editing before, and I hope that the edits that I have done so far are up to the GOCE standards. Could you take a look at some of my edits listed on the backlog drive page and let me know what I can improve? Thanks! Dac04 (talk) 23:08, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I will look at some or all of them over the weekend. Thank you for helping out with the Drive! --Diannaa (Talk) 23:16, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for reviewing my edits and for the feedback. I've been enjoying working to improve these articles and cut down on the copy editing backlog. Dac04 (talk) 18:08, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for your interest. Cheers, --Diannaa (Talk) 18:26, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing my edits

Hi

Thank you ever so much for that, I know you are busy most of the time, and particularly during a drive! (The discussion was on the GOCE coordinator talk page).

I was pretty paranoid then lol - a lot of the changes I wanted to do I considered too big for a copy-edit on such a high class ("A") article. Copy editing and reworking are pretty indistinct on lower class articles - I should not assume that A class are exempt from such changes. I will try to be less timid in future. In the past I normally ran the dashes script when finished, more recently I have been running it at the start. I left it as I had asked for the check, I won't next time lol.

Only one question:

  • "In 1996 a timber fragment from the Chesapeake Mill in Wickham, England," was delinked and returned back to
  • "In 1996 a timber fragment from the Chesapeake Mill was returned to the United States."

I linked them as it seemed to me that readers would assume it was Chesapeake in the U.S. and I wanted to ensure they could find the Mill article (as well as point out it was in the UK). I just wondered what the reasoning was behind that one?

Thanks again, I have learnt a lot from that. :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 18:45, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

These articles were already linked a little higher up on the page. The article is not long enough to warrant muliple links. I was surprised, too, by how much there was to do as the article was already A-class. The last one I worked on, British Commandos, was an epic ordeal to get promoted. It was really hard; I felt like Jack Nicholson when Warren Beatty was directing Reds. Nicholson said it just about drove him mad. "Just tell me what you want and I'll do it," said Jack. He had no idea how to give Beatty what he wanted and Beatty refused to articulate it. Beatty asked for take after take after take on virtually every scene but refused to give the actors any direction. 2.5 million feet of film were used in the production. --Diannaa (Talk) 19:02, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Cheers for explaining it, I was fairly sure that was the reason but with all those "Cheaspeakes" I think I had lost track myself at that point as to what was coming from where and especially in that section.
Wow, Warren Beatty, don't stop the camera between takes? sheesh, no wonder he didn't direct many films - "Shall we ask Warren? Not unless you get me an extra $30 million for film! Ha ha!" lol Chaosdruid (talk)
Thanks once again for that, it really does help :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 20:10, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
No worries. The idea is to develop a cadre of top-notch copy editors that can work on teh wiki in the years to come. Regards, --Diannaa (Talk) 22:56, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

February 2011 Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive Awards!

The Cleanup Barnstar
This Cleanup Barnstar is given to Diannaa for wikifying 3 articles, a total of 10,839 words(with rollover). Thanks for participating, and please be sure to help out at our next drive! Sumsum2010·T·C·Review me! 03:10, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! --Diannaa (Talk) 03:12, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

why delete an article that had a hand on request and which had arguments being added for keeping it, in such a short time

Hi, please inform on why the page Renaissance 2011 BITS Pilani was deleted despite a hang-on template being added and arguments that WERE BEING ADDED at the time to contest the allegations that it was promotional. Please advice what path to take if Wikipedia does not allow this: Independent listing of information on real content that was brought out at a particular event. Also, would it be too much to expect from a wikipedian to respect the hang-on request and desist from speedy deletion of an article to give it some chance for proving itself? the event is ongoing and we cannot be so lightning-quick that we can conclusively prove everything in less than 5 minutes which seems like the time taken to make this deletion decision. Nikhilsheth (talk) 05:08, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a web host or the place to start a blog. That is not the purpose of Wikipedia. If your event is notable enought for an encyclopedia article, there will be write-ups in newspapers and other reliable sources after the event, and then an article could be written. Sorry that the reply could not be more favourable. --Diannaa (Talk) 05:12, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Korean Films

Hello, saw that you removed the section for films about the Korean War. Is the war's depiction in these moves offensive? Or are they simply inaccurate? Perhaps one sided? Thank you. Bolton76 (talk) 05:14, 06 March 2011 (UTC)

All the material on films and other pop-culture items was moved to the new article, Korean War in popular culture, in May 2010. The rationale was that the article was getting too long for people to load who are on dial-up or have slow internet connections. Even myself with a fairly good internet connection will go make myself a cup of tea while Korean War is loading! I copied over to that article any films you mentioned in your addition which were not already listed there. I posted all this to Talk:Korean War at the time I removed it earlier today. Regards, --Diannaa (Talk) 05:19, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
I am removing your post about airborne as well as it is copied from Airborne forces and like I said the Korean War article is already too big. Just add a link to that article instead please. Please don't add any more stuff to Korean War that is available elsewhere on this wiki. --Diannaa (Talk) 05:28, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Diannaa, Agree on all counts. Perhaps in the future it would be best to add a heading, then hyperlinks to the wiki article? Planning on adding more about the initial hours of the conflict, before American intervention. Specifically about the ROK navy actions, ROK Army I corps, II corps and III corps. There is little coverage, since most texts are written from the American perspective, and in English. Thanks, B Bolton76 (talk) 15:14, 06 March 2011 (UTC)
Any insight or views from non-American sources would be welcome. The one-sidedness of the article has been problematic in the past, though no one has complained for a little while (we must be improving!). I will do another round of copy edits after the March drive and that tends to trim length. Thank you very much for your interest in improving this article. Cheers, --Diannaa (Talk) 15:36, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Any ideas on pulling in links and information from non-English sources? One example being memorials in Turkey, China and Europe. There is a link for the Chinese memorial, and I have a post card of the memorial, however there is no other information. Is the post card a fake? I would think not, and I'm not hiking up the the Yalu to find out. Thanks, B Bolton76 (talk) 01:00, 07 March 2011 (UTC)
There's no point hiking up the Yalu WP:OR ;). Wikipedia:SOURCE#Non-English sources says that if using a foreign language source you must provide provide both the original-language text and an English translation in the text or a footnote. An article that illustrates how this can be done is May Revolution. --Diannaa (Talk) 01:11, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
It's still chilly up there anyway. Added some new articles: Presidential Proclamation No. 2914, 3 C.F.R. 99 (1950) and the 1976 repeal Executive Order 11940, there seems to be information related to the Espinoza-Castro v. I.N.S. court case that I'm not sure of. More specifically I was wondering about making use of the http://www.china.org.cn/e-America/index.htm link related to memorials, there are no pictures or associated information, mostly propaganda sounding info. Any opinions on all this? Thanks, B Bolton76 (talk) 15:55, 07 March 2011 (UTC)
Partisan websites are permitted within reason. This one is a site put up by the Chinese government. As I am not experienced in assessing the reliability of sources, you might like to ask at the reliable sources notice board at WP:RSN. --Diannaa (Talk) 19:39, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the review

Thank you very much for the the review. Agree with most of your changes. In some cases, are even changing back to how I had it before (not all, but when I see that I know we must be close). Few questions though.

1. Sentence case or title case. Tony has asked us to use sentence case in the past. (I think for article, book, and website titles). I really don't care, and maybe I was doing it wrong, but would like to do it one way all the time. I will ask him as well.

2. US versus U.S. (I normally let people change those around at will, had them change 7 times on Painted turtle and just smiled, as long as they are changed throughout article). U.S. is older (and the more common usage in the United States). US newer and more common outside. I think given the naming of this article, I should stick to the periods.

TCO (talk) 08:57, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Both Chicago Manual of Style and our own MoS call for book titles to be capitalised (Chicago 8.154, 8.155). They are done in sentence style in library catalogues and on Worldcat (Chicago 8.156). The U.S. - US thing, I agree that it should match the article title in this case. Chicago only changed this in their newest edition so you are right, it's in transition right now. --Diannaa (Talk) 15:00, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the help

Thank you for the help with posting a warning to Brian Boru about my subpage. He hasn't vandalized my page again since then, so let's hope it holds. Spidey104 19:05, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. Please feel free to re-report if the behavior resumes. Let me know or post at AIV if you prefer. --Diannaa (Talk) 20:50, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Joscho Stephan

Hi Diannaa Thanks for your comments on the above page. I cheerfully admit to being bamboozled by the process and notifications. (First created page issues)

1. Copyright Issue: Do I need to get a specific Email from the Artists website to say that the material used is free-issue press material and not copyrighted? 2. Notability Issue: I accept that I need to prove notability and will work to compile enough material to satisfy requirements. 3. Conflict of Interest Issue: The artist is not client of mine or directly connected to me in any way. I admit to being a fan and so there is a bias problem. I can work to make the article less biased but do I need to add a statement to cover this whole issue? As regards the Joscho Portrait Live.jpg pic used in the article, I added Creative Commons license information and thought the notifications were inviting me to delete them once this was added. Instead I've got a Baseball Watcher Last warning. Please help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomcan (talk • contribs) 23:10, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

I was looking at the notability issue and there are several recent write-ups that are coming up on Google but they are all in German! But I think you could make a good case for notability here. The photo File:Joscho Portrait Live.jpg appears at http://bandonthewall.org/events/2648/ so we definitley have a copyright problem there. This image will have to be deleted right away. The other picture does not come up in a Google search but without the proper proofs in place it will shortly be deleted as well. Pictures that people have taken themselves and uploaded will have a little box of "metadata" that shows info about the camera used and the number of pixels and stuff like that. So that is the sort of thing people looking at freshly uploaded images will check.
I know it's a little (or a lot) more trouble, but if you could write an article in your own words using relevant facts from the sources available online or on liner album notes and so on, that would be better than getting copyright permission for the article you already have in place, as the exisitng article is too promotional in tone and would need a total re-write to be accepted. Make sure you make a claim for notability as Wikipedia defines it and you will have a good shot of getting an article in place that will not be tagged for speedy deletion. Good luck. --Diannaa (Talk) 23:28, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello Diannaa - You removed the link I had put to jconcurrency.com and flagged it as spam. This is not spam - it is an invaluable aid to the understanding of Java concurrency. Java champion Yakov Fain is calling for Oracle to include it in their Java tutorial. http://yakovfain.javadevelopersjournal.com/java_concurrent_animated.htm I won't restore it if you don't believe it belongs, but I can't think of a more relevant link to this topic! Thanks, Victor Grazi - vgrazi@gmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vgrazi (talk • contribs) 03:50, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

The first thing the website wanted to do was download an earlier version of Java. I was not impressed. --Diannaa (Talk) 20:15, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Polish Catholic Church

So I went through this article for the drive and checked it off my list, but I think it could really use a review. It seems that it was originally machine translated, and there were a few rough parts for me to sort out. When you have a moment, would you mind taking a look at it? Thank you! -Pax85 (talk) 04:39, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

I forgot to mention that if you are too busy, thank you anyway! I just figured since the coordinators take a look at a portion of each person's articles anyway, that particular one might be a good candidate. :) Thank you again, especially for the hard work you do over at GOCE!!!Pax85 (talk) 23:15-ish, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
I don't mind doing it; its just that ever since I got home I have been vandal-fighting. It's relentless right now but it normally tapers off later in the evening so I will look it over when I get back from the gym. --Diannaa (Talk) 23:23, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much. Sorry if it seemed like I was rushing. Why isn't the entire world on MY schedule? ;) -Pax85 (talk) 23:41, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Pax85! I saw you out there hunting vandals. I have checked the article and your edits were very good. I did a few minor punctuation changes and reduced the over linking. Regards, --Diannaa (Talk) 04:03, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for going over it with me. It is much appreciated! -Pax85 (talk) 18:42, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

RPP user page?

I was going to RPP your user page last night while the vandalism was going on, but then noticed you were an admin and could semi-protect or protect it yourself if you wanted to. Anti-vandal fighting has been so much less stressful since my user page was semi-protected. —Tom Morris (talk) 10:37, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi Tom, and thanks for your concern. The user pages are protected and I have added protection to the most recent archives and stuff. The talk page is intentionally left unprotected. Cheers, --Diannaa (Talk) 15:08, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit notice

Hi Diannaa, Can you please put an edit notice on Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Members/Welcome, to ask people not to edit that page because it is used for transculsion to many other pages? Some people have been putting in thank you notes. Perhaps they can be redirected to the main talk page or even the membership department talk page. Thanks! – SMasters (talk) 08:20, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! I needed an admin to do that. It's perfect! – SMasters (talk) 16:16, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Credit where credit is due?

Should I be taking credit for In-situ capping of subaqueous waste? You did most of the work, and should get credit. I am learning what to do from looking at your changes, though. Wade Dump got me started with an environmental article, so I was not afraid of another one, and I do have an engineering and technical background. --DThomsen8 (talk) 13:33, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I would say Yes, go ahead and take at least partial credit, as you worked on the article over the course of several days as well. --Diannaa (Talk) 14:45, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Siege of Szigetvár

Hi Diannaa! You have been very helpful in the past, so I was wondering if you can take a look at Talk:Siege of Szigetvár/GA2, and copyedit the article. The article is on hold for the prose to be copy-edited and turned into plain English. I also made a request on 'WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests'. Thanks. --Kebeta (talk) 14:16, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 7 March 2011

WTF

WTF is a Level 2 warning and WTF is a level 3 warning. I have no idea what you are on about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.147.54.65 (talk) 21:35, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Replied on your talk. --Diannaa (Talk) 21:38, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

How can I set up my talk page like yours?

I don't get it.I looked everywhere, and there's no information that might help me.Can you tell me?--Damirgraffiti (talk) 02:13, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, tell me which parts you like and we can get you started. Do you like the border, or the blue background, or the archiving, or the pictures? What parts do you think you would like to add to your page? --Diannaa (Talk) 02:17, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
Ah, the color that I want border please.--Damirgraffiti (talk) 02:38, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
It's rather nice isn't it. My talk page on based on Diannaa's. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 02:41, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you!I hope I"ll talk to you again soon!--Damirgraffiti (talk) 02:43, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
I stole it from some guy. Can't remember who. Yours looks good, SunCreator. The "skip to the bottom" doo-dad is handy, isn't it? Damirgraffiti, I will shortly be dropping some code on your Talk. --Diannaa (Talk) 02:45, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
A helpful talk page stalker watcher has beat me to it! Let me know if any further bits are of interest. Cheers,--Diannaa (Talk) 02:48, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, it's all good Diannaa. I thought about stalking the stalkers page and Shazam-ing back. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 03:02, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
He is kinda on strike, hence the bare pages. Maybe send him a cookie or something?! or tell him a joke. --Diannaa (Talk) 03:05, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
What stalker?--Damirgraffiti (talk) 03:12, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Request

Hi, I have a favor to ask of you. I was referred to you by User:Novice7 who said you may be able to copyedit an article that I wrote, "Love Sex Magic." It is up for GA and the reviewer has asked that it needs to be done. I would appreciate it alot, if you don't mind, if not that's fine. Thanks :) Candyo32 04:15, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

well one of our people already went over it, but I will look at it and see what else can be done. --Diannaa (Talk) 04:23, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
I saw, and I had told the reviewer about it, but they insisted there were many errors still in it, which is why I asked you also. Thanks :) Candyo32 21:57, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
Ok, no problems. Your reviewer was right. --Diannaa (Talk) 02:10, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Advice please?

Hi. If possible, I'll copyedit Franco-Turkish War as a contribution to the March 2011 drive. It appears that the article on it in the French WP is so close to it that translation must be involved. But there is no translation template on its talk page, and I cannot prove which language version was translated to which. Is there anything I can usefully do about this? Thanks.

P.S. Do reply here if you like. I've watchlisted you. --Stfg (talk) 11:03, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

It looks to me like teh French one is a copy of ours; our article dates back to 2006 while theirs was created in one piece in December 2009. It looks like you could place a template on the French article. --Diannaa (Talk) 14:47, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
<blush> I didn't think to look at that. Many thanks. --Stfg (talk) 22:22, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

What is Vandalism Information?

What is it?I don;t know what does it mean?--Damirgraffiti (talk) 00:40, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

It is a way vandal fighters have of alerting one another as to the level of vandalism occurring on Wikipedia at any time. For more information on what vandalism is, please go to WP:Vandalism. --Diannaa (Talk) 02:08, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh.Ok!And by the way,I already know what vandalism is.--Damirgraffiti (talk) 02:23, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry if you found it too much information, I was just trying to be thorough. :) --Diannaa (Talk) 02:29, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

So, is it ok that I can use the Vandalism Infomation onto my talk page?Is it fine to do that?--Damirgraffiti (talk) 02:31, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you sure can. I will place it there for you. --Diannaa (Talk) 02:39, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
If that doesn't look right on your browser, you can adjust the amount of empty space to make it work. --Diannaa (Talk) 02:43, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

March 2011 copy editing backlog drive

I've decided it's time I joined the Guild and contributed to the copy editing backlog elimination drive, so I've done that and logged my first article, Ensemble 360 (although to be honest that was more a complete rewrite and sourcing than strictly a copy editing job...). It was only 443 words, and I removed most of those anyway, but, hey, it's a start. I have not been active in wikipedia copy editing before, although copy editing and proof reading is something I do some of in one of my other lives. I hope that the edits that I do match Guild standards, but would welcome my work being checked and any feedback, improvement suggestions, etc. Thanks! Mooncow (talk) 01:17, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

The article looks great and a full re-write was definitely warranted as the version you started with was a copyright violation of this. I changed the linking slightly and did a couple of small punctuation fixes. Thank you very much for your interest in helping out with copy edits. Regards, --Diannaa (Talk) 03:52, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. After a couple more tooth-sharpening exercises I was considering making a start on something a bit meatier, such as Complex quadratic polynomial. I ran the page-size script on this page, and it reports 546 words, which seems a substantial underestimate even after discounting all the formulae. I took a quick look at the code for User:Dr_pda/prosesize.js, and I notice that this script only considers "words" which occur inside <p> blocks in the page output. This excludes all the words in section headers; perhaps that is intentional, although I'm not sure I see the logic (section headers need copy-editing too). Moreover this excludes all the words in lists, such as <ul> or <ol>. The current article Complex quadratic polynomial has a lot of its content contained in list bullets: that is one of the things I would look to fix during my copy-editing work! Not including these words in the official page-size count seems somewhat unfortunate. I wondered whether this was a known (or even intentional) omission.
  1. Is there an alternative approved approach for word-counting to get full credit in cases where the page-size script seems to fall short of the true article length? Or do we just grit our teeth and bear it for the good of wikipedia?
  2. I'd be happy to help improve the script, if it was felt preferable that words in headings or list items should be included in the word count (and headings and list items included as readable prose). But I don't wish to re-cover old ground or tread on anyone's foot...— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mooncow (talk • contribs)
The alternative method we use then there are a lot of lists is to copy the contents into a word processing software that has a word count feature and use the count from that. If you think you could improve the script it would be best to take it up with the author, User:Dr pda. --Diannaa (Talk) 02:51, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks—and my apologies for leaving an unsigned comment. I guess it must have been getting late... Mooncow (talk) 02:42, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Question

The user Markpb91 I am reverting is putting a negative slant on section of the Android (operating system) article, while removing any neutral or positive reference, while also removing a negative review of Mac OS X. I have asked on the talk page for suggestions, and gotten none. I can't find where, but I read that any negative npov content should be removed immediately, then discussed on the talk page. Everything I have reverted is against WP:NPOV, and each time he adds it back. Tell me what I should do, because apparently I'm doing it wrong. Thank you. - SudoGhost (talk) 04:11, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

What he is doing is adding valid criticisms and explanations of a defect in the product. The content seems to have been drawn from WP:reliable sources, and that is why I restored it when you removed it. If you object to the addition of this content, please open a discussion on the talk page of the article. --Diannaa (Talk) 04:35, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for responding, I did not mean to clear the entire section, I inadvertently his 'Save Page' rather than 'Show Preview', but does not excuse the 'edit war', the policy of which I was not aware of. However, I went through the appropriate channels and the situation was resolved, and now that I am aware of the policy, I shalt be having any 'edit wars' again. :) Thank you again for your time. - SudoGhost (talk) 06:12, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Import Script Doesn't Seem to Be Working

I was trying to follow instructions to join in the copy editing but cannot seem to get the count to work. I inserted the code on my page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lost_Josephine_Minor/monobook.js

Can you tell what went wrong?

Thanks... I am starting to get frustrated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lost Josephine Minor (talk • contribs) 05:45, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Monobook is not the default skin any more; it is vector. Unless you have intentionally changed to Monobook, you are probably on Vector, and the script should be at User:Lost Josephine Minor/vector.js. I have taken the liberty of creating the page and installing the script. Now bypass your browser cache an see if it appears in your "toolbox" menu as "page size". --Diannaa (Talk) 06:05, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, very much!! "Page size" does appear under "toolbox" now. There seems to be so much to learn. Thank you! : ) I spend so much time trying to learn how to do things on Wikipedia properly that I rarely have time left to do them! Lost Josephine Minor (talk) 03:53, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
If it wasn't so complex, it wouldn't be so interesting. Have fun :)--Diannaa (Talk) 03:55, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Clarification

I'm sorry to bug you, but I must ask, how was my edit vandalism, when it was done by accident yes, but then the same exact edit was made by not one, but two different administrators? I just want to be aware so that I do not inadvertently violate policy in the future, but I'm also wondering how my edit is vandalism, whereas their identical edits are not. "Even if misguided, willfully against consensus, or disruptive, any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia is not vandalism. Edit warring over content is not vandalism." So I'm a little confused, and was hoping you might clarify. Thank you. - SudoGhost (talk) 15:26, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

You removed sourced content and replaced it with unsourced content. That looked like a vandalistic edit to me. Others felt differently, so I apologise. --Diannaa (Talk) 15:35, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Talk:2011 Chinese protests

I didn't remove it Pol430 removed and I reverted his edit and put it back or am I missing something because Im pretty sure I did do that. Please correct me if I am wrong. Gabesta449 edits ♦ chat 23:06, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

I know that; my remark was addressed to Pol430. I saw the remark on your Talk whan I was investigating their report at AIV. They have also initiated a 3RR. They have just removed the talk page posts again. --Diannaa (Talk) 23:10, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
And according to Pol430 this IP address has been harassing him. Gabesta449 edits ♦ chat 23:14, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Re: my revert

Hi Diannaa, I saw your post concerning my revert. I apologize in advance if i've got it badly wrong but I didn't feel the IP's edit met the talk page guidelines, The IP took a convo from my talk page that contained some mild personal attack and pasted it into the article talk page. Basically the IP has been somewhat harassing me ever since, I tried to stop the edit warring at 2011 Chinese protests. Would you mind taking another look at the situation overall and giving me some feedback. Thanks in advance Pol430 talk to me 23:12, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I was just looking at the thread on your Talk page and now the removal you did makes sense. Of course it makes sense to you but I was following events on Huggle where it looked like the thread should not have been removed. An edit summary would have helped that indicated that the thread had been copied from your talk. There should be an outcome to your 3RR report momentarily. Sorry for assuming things --Diannaa (Talk) 23:15, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Phew, sorry if I have caused you and Gabesta449 any confusion. I was doing some stuff manually and some stuff via Huggle. Anyway thanks for taking the time to look at it again, and no need to apologize :) Pol430 talk to me 23:20, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
I have posted a slightly different set of diffs at the 3RR report. --Diannaa (Talk) 23:43, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
I have seen, thanks for that, the IP continues to edit the article anyway but has not engaged in any discussion on the talk page. May I remove the post taken from my talk page from the article talk pages again? Pol430 talk to me 23:55, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
No, I will do it this time. --Diannaa (Talk) 23:58, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Even better, thanks Pol430 talk to me 00:02, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism

For awhile I've been following the movements of this IP address 178.240.212.212. He has switched IP addresses quite a number of times. the IP addresses he has switch to well I had them written down but I lost the paper. I would like for you to take some sort of action against him, possibly an indefinite block. Oh and P.S. he was previously blocked by Materialscientist. Thanks and Cheers. Umm I didnt want to file a checkuser request for reasons I am unable to tell to you at this time anyway.Gabesta449 edits ♦ chat 23:32, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

He seems to be very active in a vandalism campaign against Golbez. Gabesta449 edits ♦ chat 23:33, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
We can't do indefinite blocks against IPs except in extreme cases as they can be dynamic. The IPs geolocate to Turkey but are too widely spread for a range block. Golbez is an admin and seems to be handling the situation --Diannaa (Talk) 23:40, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Well thanks for youe consideration I guess. Gabesta449 edits ♦ chat 23:43, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Tick list

Prolly read Earth Abides as a kid, but not sure; have seen Nicholas and Alexandra. Damned, Gold Hat (talk) 01:16, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I had my list from an old email thread. It was about this:

We were discussing how many each had read; I've read 53 of them. A lot of the talk ended up being about all the ones that should have been on the list, but were not. Damned, Gold Hat (talk) 01:20, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I remember that list; it's probably the same one that went around on Facebook a while ago. I have added three more titles and will look at your links when I get back from the gym. --Diannaa (Talk) 01:27, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Ya, that list. Guns, Germs, and Steel, too. Damned, Gold Hat (talk) 01:48, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes. Jared Diamond used to write articles for Discover magazine in his younger days. The list of favourite books : I have read 46. The BBC's important 100 books? I have read 54. We should start asking this at RFAs. --Diannaa (Talk) 03:10, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I'd better get cracking. Given the climate at RfA every one of those books would count in the oppose section. ;/ Damned, Gold Hat (talk) 03:41, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for reverting the vandalism of my user page. Surprisingly that is the first such instance in my nearly 3.5 years on the project :o)  Redthoreau -- (talk) 06:10, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Well it was a doozey, must count double :7 --Diannaa (Talk) 06:13, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
As an aside, I see from your "Cool Beans" section that you enjoy Antandrus’ observations (as do I), hence I thought that you may also like my Nuggets of Wiki Wisdom (which has it’s very own Antandrus Top 10 List). Nice to meet you.  Redthoreau -- (talk) 06:35, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. --Diannaa (Talk) 06:37, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Hoeffding's lemma & Bennett's inequality

Hi Diannaa, Hope you won't take offence if I say that I found this a bit on the WP:BITEy side—that may be partly as I'd read Sue Gardner's essay on new editor recruitment only shortly before. A quick check of Google Books reveals that there is such a thing as Bennett's inequality and that it is related to Hoeffding's lemmainequality, so although the editor had provided too little to be informative in itself, it was enough to point interested readers or editors to something related and potentially useful. Best wishes, Qwfp (talk) 09:29, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I see what you mean. Thanks for the advice. --Diannaa (Talk) 15:23, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Request

Hi Diannaa, there is a vandal on the loose, 174.94.39.2, I believe you reverted an edit of his/hers. I am not sure how to report this on the vandalism noticeboard manually, so I thought I would come to an admin... Thanks. Dbrodbeck (talk) 05:07, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

He appears to have stopped for the time being. The place to file a report if the activity resumes is at WP:AIV as I will be logging off soon. Thank you for reporting this problem. --Diannaa (Talk) 05:15, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Copy editing check

Hi Diannaa, I've just began copyediting earlier this month. Can you take a look at my articles to see if they meet the quality? Thank you! LKILLER123 01:27, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I will do that. By the way, are you aware that your signature does not meet wiki guidelines, as it does not link to your user page or your talk page? WP:SIGLINK --Diannaa (Talk) 04:00, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, got it fixed. :)LKILLER123 (talk) 21:45, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Charice Pempengco

This is not an edit war. I previously expressed in the edit summaries and the user's talk page that the image on the Commons was a possible copyvio, which is a serious issue. After justifying myself several times in several different ways, I felt that is was unnecessary to do so any further. The user has not provided evidence that he/she owns copyright to this image. Again, this is not a content dispute, it's an issue regarding copyvio. --Jtalledo (talk) 03:37, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

I am aware of the seriousness of the issue as I deal with images and copyright concerns every day. I am still investigating and can find no source for the new photo on the Web anywhere. Check this out: Tin Eye can find no copy of this picture on the Web. Please try to engage the other user on your talk page; they posted there inquiring as to why you did not find the image acceptable, and so far you have not replied. If the image is copy vio, you need to let them know on the Commons and notify the uploader. And remember, the 3RR rule applies even if you think you are right. --Diannaa (Talk) 03:44, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
I have posted on the user's talk page briefing him/her regarding the possible copyright issues. And FYI, the image can also be found here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:CCNWM.jpg&diff=51911050&oldid=51876739 And my apologies if I seem terse, I am not accustomed to being upbraided for something as basic as 3RR (although turnabout is fair play in my case I guess. Heh.) --Jtalledo (talk) 04:03, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I should have thought to look on the uploader's talk page. And I seriously looked for a copy of the photo online before I templated you, as the pic does look a little too professional. What we do is post a copy vio template on the Commons copy and then one of their admins will delete it. Unfortunately they have a shortage of admins over there right now so this might not happen right away. So here is the diff of the template that I put on the commons copy. And uploader has been notified Diff. In case you have not done this before. Sorry about that 3RR template, no hard feelings I hope. :) --Diannaa (Talk) 04:25, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
No hard feelings. I hadn't gotten around to tagging the picture on the Commons. Thanks for being nice! --Jtalledo (talk) 23:15, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

The Secret (book)

Listen Dianna: The Secret is a best-selling 2006 self-help book written by Rhonda Byrne and based upon William Walker Atkinson's prior works and school of thought, based on the notion that people are greedy and curious and will thus pay for anything that sounds like a formula for getting rich, and thus making the author rich instead of the reader.

This is a verifiable fact. The mere fact that the book was best-selling is enough to proove the claim by wikipedias own logic. Not being able to see through this makes wikipedia look very, very stupid indeed.

When you buy anything, such as a book you will by the laws of economics become poorer, and the author will become richer. That is how economics work and that is why people publish books about how to get rich.

This is self-evident and does not constitute "vandalism". You are by your actions hiding verifiable truth in disagreement with wikipedias own rules. So double-reverse your editing to include the above.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.212.14.115 (talk • contribs)

Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia. I have actually read this book and your interpretation seems at odds with its contents to me. However if you have some WP:reliable sources to back up your claim, please feel free to re-add the content yourself. --Diannaa (Talk) 03:57, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Shinji Mikami - reverted a deletion as vandalism and added the vandalism back in?

Every once in a while I go through my watchlist aiming to fix _more_ than just the one or two bad edits reviewers normally see. Thus sometimes checking shows that there's been a lot of bad edits and you just have to go back a bunch.

While trying to figure things out this edit of yours caught my eye. You had an edit summary of "addition of unsourced negative content to a biographical article (HG))", but it sure looks like you added back the negative content that 69.111.17.135 had deleted. (That IP editor looked like the "good guy" in that heap of edits.)

Anyway, being the slow and painful type (both editing and personality) I gotta wonder, did you get it backwards? Shenme (talk) 05:20, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I was using Huggle and it showed me the "Deadinji" edit. That is what I thought I was reverting. There were four edits at 6:55 and I guess Huggle couldn't keep up. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. --Diannaa (Talk) 05:27, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Bataan Death March

That was simply a translation of the Japanese Wikipedia article. The "sources" are but US propaganda, based on US show trials. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.166.181.85 (talk) 14:49, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

If you wish to edit the article please find somereliable sources. What you did was remove sourced content and replace it with unsourced content. Wikipedia is not considered a reliable source, including the Japanese version. Thank you for your interest. --Diannaa (Talk) 15:31, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Jaz lee

Hi - you deleted the above. I'm having a slight problem with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jaz lee. I've done a non-admin closure, but the thing doesn't seem to be actually IN today's Log. At Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/Today "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jaz Lee" appears above the listing of nominations, and I can't see a way of getting rid of it or moving it into the correct place. This was created by a kid who tried to AfD it and got into a mess (partly through using the wrong capitalisation). Help? (An explanation would be appreciated, too, as I'm just at the end of an RfA with possible success(?) in sight.) I've left a message for the article's creator. Thanks in advance.... Peridon (talk) 16:45, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh jeez, I don't know much about AFD, but I will try to figure out what went wrong and get back to you. The AFD was red-linked when I deleted the article so I thought the AFD page had not been created yet. Stay tuned. --Diannaa (Talk) 16:58, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
I figured it out! The user had in error adde a template {{Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jaz Lee}} to the top of the page. All gone now. Good luck with your RFA! --Diannaa (Talk) 17:14, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for that. I thought something like that had happened, but I couldn't find it on 'edit'. Peridon (talk) 17:58, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of a page that was marked hold-on

Hi Diannaa, This is regarding an incidence of new article deletion: 04:53, 6 March 2011 Diannaa (talk | contribs) deleted "Renaissance 2011 BITS Pilani" ‎ (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion: This is not the place to post a blog)

In a very short time after the page first got marked for speedy deletion, I put in the tag "hold on" in the proper format as advised by the speedy deletion template. I put a couple of lines on the page's Talk section to explain that a page covering a 3-day national-level event is not a blog. I had started it as a stub (though I did not know at the time about these templates that I should have used) but there was never anything of advertizing nature in it, yet the page got accused at a time when there wasn't even enough content in it.

After the first Talk submission, I proceeded to write more explanation. After about 10 minutes when I saved the new section, I found that it had been deleted and all that was remaining now was the above mentioned line and you being the only link. I'd like to inquire why this was deleted when there was a hold-on template inserted and a short explanation on the Talk page and I was just writing more explanation. I had countered the blog and advertisement allegations. Over time there would have been enough references inserted on the page too. It was a description of an event. I don't know how to express the fact that anybody has no right to judge any event as insignificant. This was well-published and no tiny social gathering - it was a national level conference. Why didn't you participate in the Talk page if you felt the explanation (made in just 5 mins) was inadequate? If you didn't like the name, we would have changed it. Why did you delete a page that had a hold-on template on it within just 5 minutes, hence not giving any time to anybody to provide an adequate defense? Then there is absolutely no meaning of the hold-on template, and if you can't do anything about it now, then it means there is no accountability. I now have no way of even seeing the history to recover anything from there or any mechanism to revert this act that was in violation of wikipedia policy. Please let me know what needs to be done, and please forgive me for being new to these things? Nikhilsheth (talk) 17:11, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Here is a copy of the state the article was in when I deleted it:
This event was held from 4th to 6th March 2011 at Birla Institute of Technology and Science, Pilani.
This page aims to create an independent report of all the events, talks, discussions and insights, 
shared by the people who attended it.<br />
Apart from reporting, this page can also be a common point to aggregate ideas that emerged from 
the conference.

== 4 March 2011 ==
== 5 March 2011 == 
=== Panel Discussion ===
==== Participating Individuals ====
== 6 March 2011 ==
=== Tata Jagriti Yatra ===

There are no sources quoted in the article. I looked for independent coverage of the event in online news sources and found nothing; there is still no coverage of the event in online news sources today, one week after the event. So the event likely fails notability guidelines, though that is not the criterion I deleted it under.

The reason I deleted the article is because the above wording indicates that the purpose of creating the article is to share information amongst the participants in the conference and to create a record of the event for your own purposes. That is not the purpose of Wikipedia; Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia. The layout of the article is more like a blog and that is why it was deleted.

The hang-on tag was added at 4:36 and you added some remarks to the talk page at 4:43. The article was deleted at 4:53.

Here is the content of the talk page: 

Arguing for keeping this page:
Independent participants that attended this event and who are not all directly part of the 
event organizers or their de facto supporters, will collaborate on this page to give a 
neutral report of all everything that happened at the event. If anybody doesn't like the 
NAME of this page, then kindly RENAME it.
We want to enlist all the talks and exercises that took place. Many of these have the 
potential to spin off new articles on wikipedia as they are about places, methods and 
concepts that do not exist on wikipedia right now.
Please keep a watch on the page to make sure there is no biased perspective. But please 
don't delete it, as there is potential to gather a lot of content here and wikipedia is a good 
independent medium for the participants of this conference to bring it all together.
[[User:Nikhilsheth|Nikhilsheth]] ([[User talk:Nikhilsheth|talk]]) 04:43, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

So again we are seeing the intent for conference participants to make blog-like posts in an effort to create a record of the event. The problem with this is that it is what we call primary sources and original research. What that means is that Wikipedia articles are not written directly by the participants in an event; Wikipedia articles are written by independent authors who use reliable secondary sources such as newspaper articles, content from trusted web sites, and material found in books to create the content. So that is why I deleted the article. Regards, --Diannaa (Talk) 17:41, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Diannaa. You have new messages at SMasters's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

--The UtahraptorTalk/Contribs 22:35, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Advice

Hello, I am contacting you for advice regarding some unusual behavior of one user. More precise, if you could instruct me how should I proceed in this kind of situations and how can this kind of behavior be stooped.

There is an active ANI report that wan`t filed by me, but I fell there is no administrator interested in resolving this problem while this user continues with his behavior and further insults. It is clear that talking to a user with that attitude I can`t solve anything.

Here are some relevant diffs: 1; the rest can be seen at the section of ANI that I provided.

I would appreciate your advice on this matter and if you can advice me regarding this ANI report. Thank you Adrian (talk) 11:19, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

ANI is the wrong venue for this type of complaint. ANI is intended for matters that require immediate intervention, and is a poor choice of venue for content disputes or behavioural problems, especially where other avenues have not yet been explored. I suggest you initiate a request for comment on the problematic user WP:RFC/U. I do not have the time or necessary skills to mediate or even investigate this dispute, which is a complex one spanning many articles and notice boards. --Diannaa (Talk) 18:46, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for your response. I will probably abandon the ANI report since it got complicated and it is not filed by me. I just noticed that the filling party is blocked.... I will wait and see what will the outcome of that be, if nothing is done I will reconsider other mechanisms. Is there any other place where I could address this problem? WP:RFC/U doesn`t seem to be much active lately [4]. Is it allowed for me to try this? Is there a some sort of time limit for this problem for me to file a report? Is it a problem if I do it in a couple of days? I have checked and it seems that this editor violated wiki policies according to this decision. What is your advice regarding to which place should I address this problem? Thank you for your answer. Adrian (talk) 19:14, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes. Iaaasi is blocked until March 19 for edit warring on John Hunyadi. I am not sure which user violated which wiki policy, but the discretionary sanctions to which you refer only apply to people who were involved in that particular Arbcom decision. You need to follow other steps in dispute resolution before you take something to Arbcom. Dispute resolution alternatives include WP:WQA, WP:RFC/U]], and simply trying to resolve the dispute with the editor on their talk page or the talk pages of the articles involved. Wikipedia:Requests for mediation is another option. Wikipedia:Dispute resolution gives an overview of where to go for help for which kinds of problems. If you have a specific problem that you think requires immediate administrator action, ANI is the correct venue. Yes, time is of the essence so write up a brief report and if none of these other notice boards seems appropriate then re-post it at ANI. Please note that a short concise report that lists specific behaviours is a lot more likely to get a response than thousand-word epics. It is also helpful to state what admin action is required (do you think they should be warned? Do you think they should be blocked?) Make sure you notify everyone that you mention. --Diannaa (Talk) 19:55, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
I understand. I will repost it at ANI since this current report is filed by another user and not in such a good manner (to complicated and not directly discussing the problem + he is blocked). This problem is specific. I have tried talking but a only got more insults..Since this behavior is constant for some time now, he openly said that some users(me included) are "not worth" talking to, therefore he engages in so many edit wars, insulted many users without feeling sorry (I understand if someone says something in the heat of the moment - but he never apologized for his actions and only further continued), I wish to request a block for this user since talking obviously doesn`t have any effect. Thank you for everything. I will make a report today if the time allows me, or tomorrow. Greetings and thank you for your input on all this. Adrian (talk) 20:18, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Well, no administrators have responded to your ANI thread so I have posted warnings about the behaviour on his talk page and at ANI. Please collect evidence of any further problems and let me know or post again at ANI if the behaviour continues. There is not enough to warrant a block at this time. --Diannaa (Talk) 18:48, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for your response. I thought that there is enough evidence presented.. But OK. I guess the important think is to stop all this. If more problems of this nature appear I will file a new report. Thank you. Greetings. Adrian (talk) 19:33, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
I will help monitor the situation. Hopefully the behaviour will improve if he knows people are watching. --Diannaa (Talk) 19:35, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Regarding The Traditions of European Aristocracy

Hi. I am smiling. I too am also seeking advice... but of a different sort. As you are a librarian and I have seen you on genealogy articles, I was wondering if you happen to know if the coronation date and the wedding/marriage date occur on the same day with European aristocracy? I ask because I was adding the coronation date for an article's subject but I don't know offhand if that corresponds to the wedding date. Since I know the date of her coronation, I would prefer to write it as her and her spouse's marriage date, but I don't know how aristocratic traditions work in this period (Late Medieval in Hungary - I think she is of the Hapsburg lineage) or for that matter most any other period. Would you possibly have some insight into this? I would not have bothered you but I have noticed that you edit some genealogy articles, and that you are a librarian on top of that, so I was thinking that you might have some exertise in this area or with this question. I appreciate any help that you can offer. Thank you kindly. Best Regards, Steve... Stevenmitchell (talk) 13:06, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

The lady with which I am most familiar Alexandra Feodorovna (Alix of Hesse) was married on 14 May OS and became empress on that date. The coronation of both her and Nicholas took place on 30 May OS. Henry VIII and Anne B. married on 25 January and she was crowned on 1 June 1533. So the quick answer is No, the coronation and the wedding do not have to take place on the same day and it is probably true too in the Hapsburg empire and the medieval Hungarian era. Regards, --Diannaa (Talk) 14:19, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Request for CE review

I think I've completed edits on 2008 Bihar Flood: [5]. Please tell me if I've missed anything. I recorded one article in my drive participation, but have not yet removed the copy edit tag until I hear back from expert editors. I recorded 1068 words - this was the beginning count before I started edits. (The Page Size/word count said "6548 B (1068 words)" and I guessed I should list the second number. Is that correct?) Do I need to record the ending word count of the article? Where do I list the name of the article for the drive record? Thank you Octopet (talk) 19:14, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

You are on the right track with recording the article on the drive page. I have added the article name. Here is how to do it. I will review the remainder of the copy edit and will post remarks here when I am done. --Diannaa (Talk) 19:19, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
There was some over-linking. Items should be linked once only, or linked once in the lead and once in the body of an article in a longer article. There were a few punctuation fixes. Headers get their first word capitalised but not subsequent words unless they are proper nouns. The work was well done and your skills are improving quickly. --Diannaa (Talk) 19:30, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you Octopet (talk) 20:40, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 14 March 2011

GOCE / Mid-drive newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors March 2011 backlog elimination drive

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors March 2011 Backlog elimination drive! Here is your mid-drive newsletter.

Participation
GOCE March 2011 backlog elimination drive progress graphs

So far, 79 people have signed up for this drive. Of these, 64 have participated. Interest is high due to a link to our event from the Watchlist page, and many new and first-time copy editors have joined us for the drive. If you signed up for the drive but haven't participated yet, it's not too late! Try to copy edit at least a few articles. Remember, if you have rollover words from the last drive, you will lose them if you do not participate in this drive. If you haven't signed up for the drive yet, you can sign up now. Many thanks to those editors who have been helping out at the Requests page. We have assisted in the promotion of seven articles to Good article status so far this month.

Progress report

We have already achieved our target of reducing the overall backlog by 10%; however, we have more work to do with the 2009 backlog. We have almost eliminated May 2009 and we only have some 700 articles left from 2009. It is excellent progress, so let's concentrate our fire power on the remaining months from 2009. Thank you for participating in the March 2011 drive. We anticipate it will be another big success!

Utahraptor resigns

The UtahraptorTalk to me has decided to step down from his position as project coordinator due to real-life issues.

Your drive coordinators – S Masters (talk), Diannaa (Talk) and Tea with toast (Talk)


Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors using AWB on 04:42, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

United Airlines flight 232

Thanks for your help over on Gold Hat's talk page with the technical question. I've finished my first draft of the article expansion and am wondering if you'd mind having a look-over and maybe copy-editing it if you get the chance. I'd like to make it a Good Article and possibly a Featured Article but I haven't worked either process and am wondering if you can help me work my way through it. Thanks! N419BH 06:29, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi, glad to be of help. here is a GA cheat sheet that shows what your GA reviewer will be looking for. I can get started on copy edits later and will give some more advice once I have checked over the article. --Diannaa (Talk) 14:17, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
  • The third paragraph of "Chronology of the flight" and one sentence nearer the end, "Although elevator and rudder control would still be lost, some pitch control would remain through stabilizer trim, combined with roll control with limited use of ailerons and spoilers" are pretty laden with jargon. I understand what ailerons and spoilers are but stabilizer trim and roll control are unexplained.
  • It might be worth your while to put your citations into the appropriate cite templates. --Diannaa (Talk) 03:25, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Jargon explained and/or removed. Not sure what you're talking about with cite templates. N419BH 00:09, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
I mean this: <ref>{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |publisher= |accessdate= }}</ref> Most of the references are in templates but there are a few that are not. --Diannaa (Talk) 00:32, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Ah yes I use a gadget to do those. Anything else that needs to be accomplished before I list it at GA? N419BH 03:16, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Telangana Movement

Request your attention on the article. My efforts to summarize certain quotes in the article triggered an edit war and I finally conceeded to the concerned user by reverting to his earlier version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vamsisv (talk • contribs) 06:38, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

I will be getting to this problem in a few hours. --Diannaa (Talk) 21:51, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks much! Vamsisv (talk) 04:19, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
It's not much but it's a start. --Diannaa (Talk) 04:23, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for checking my work. Which things are important are a lot easier for you to determine. --Diannaa (Talk) 14:40, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Copy-editing drive

Hi, i'm currently participating in the current copy-edit elimination drive. When fixing articles with possible transcription errors such as Fahmi Abdullah Ahmed do i include the word-count in my totals even though all i had to do was find the [sic] tag and check out the source?? Or do i add no word-count? Mabuska (talk) 11:01, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I would not add that one. Sometimes articles are tagged for copy edit that don't actually need any work. --Diannaa (Talk) 14:21, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Ah okay, just i came across a category page through the copy-edit list for articles that have sic tags that need checked out and wondered how to deal with them. No probs. Mabuska (talk) 16:32, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

March 2011

Thank you for the help! It really does mean a lot. Intoronto1125 (talk) 03:29, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

I hope it helps  :/ --Diannaa (Talk) 03:30, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

State reptile new content

Just wanted to let you know that I added some new content in response to a reviewer. Your choice if you wanted to look at it. Just informing, since you had given a support.TCO (talk) 03:44, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

K. --Diannaa (Talk) 03:48, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Intoronto1125

If intoronto1125 did not consistently get in the way of my improvements to any article we both work on, I would not be speaking to him in such blunt terms. He is getting in the way of my improvements to the article and several of his recent edits to the page have not at all been constructive. If I can't tell him to get out of the way of people who know what they're doing, what can I tell him?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 18:24, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

I happen to disagree that he deserves to be treated in an abusive manner because of his own behaviour, so sorry. Perhaps as a senior long term editor you could offer him advice on how to improve? It is more time consuming but in the end it might be worth it as we retain a new editor that can help us develop the encyclopedia in the future. --Diannaa (Talk) 18:33, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Most of my edits have been constructive. It is in the opinion of Ryulong that my edits are not constrcutive. Intoronto1125 (talk) 18:45, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
I am formulating some remarks to post at the WQA. --Diannaa (Talk) 18:48, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
It is not an abusive manner. It is being blunt. He is upset that I have used "fuck" and "shit" in conversation with him and he feels that I am being abusive to him. Telling him what he is doing wrong and being clear about it is easier than trying to explain to him how to get better in the short term.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 18:48, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Ryulong, we do not edit wikipedia because it is easy. --Diannaa (Talk) 18:50, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
That's a new one.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 18:54, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Actually not so new: "We choose to go to the moon, not because it is easy, but because it is hard." -JFK. If you think you can finish this encyclopedia single handed, go for it. I am here for the long term. The encyclopedia will not be finished in my lifetime or your lifetime no matter how hard we work. And it will take even longer if we drive away potentially good new editors. --Diannaa (Talk) 19:01, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Being terse and concise are my strengths. I do not enjoy having to explain my point of view over and over because someone will not understand it the first time I say it to them. I should not resort to using curses, but that is how I write informally.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 19:07, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Well a little swearing and stuff happens from time to time. I am sure Intoronto is understanding you; the problem might be sometimes that he is not agreeing with you. This is why you assume he does not understand—because he does not instantly come around to your point of view. He obviously thinks he is right, and you will have to find a way to discuss things civilly without marking hurtful remarks about his competence or lack thereof. Can you try? --Diannaa (Talk)
Because issues concerning policy (his consistent additions of unsourced content) were one problem. The issue over what photograph to use is one of disagreement, but I tried to bring that to the talk page and he still persisted in reverting me on the article despite requests to stop and discuss it.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 19:19, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Try to be polite no matter what. --Diannaa (Talk) 19:21, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Yet he's been told that some of these edits are not acceptable before this WQA thing began.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 19:23, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I hear you and understand. Be polite to him, even so.--Diannaa (Talk) 19:27, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Unsouced in your eyes not mines, it is how you interpret the source. For the photo we came to a civil agreement on one leg's photo, the other you did not bring to the talk page! Why are you making me look like a bad editor? Intoronto1125 (talk) 19:49, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
It is most definitely unsourced when you claim to know the events of future legs.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:43, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
How I inerpreted the source was not a claim of knowing future events. Intoronto1125 (talk) 22:21, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

This guy keeps persisting on adding content that I have reverted. He will not let discussion occur. He just assumes that I am wrong and that he is allowed to begin an edit war. I have persistently tried to begin conversation with him on his talk page but this was his written response shortly before he reverted me on the article, again. I am tired of dealing with him. He does not listen to any arguments I put forth. He instead insists that he is doing nothing wrong.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 19:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

I know, I have watchlisted. It takes two to edit war. You both need to take things to the talk page sooner, rather than trying to communicate via edit summaries. You are both at three reverts so this needs to stop right now. Please try to hold your temper. I am going to put a message on his talk and then I have to go do some RL stuff for a while. --Diannaa (Talk) 19:27, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
I went to his talk page after he reverted me the first time. I cannot find a suitable location for this information on the page because the "Future legs" section is just supposed to report on locations. Not anything that they do there. I've moved the sentence higher up on the page, but really I think it just needs to be removed by the time the episode airs.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:30, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Not the end of the world. --Diannaa (Talk) 00:33, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm aware. But the useless pre-broadcast trivia is just getting on my OCD nerve.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:51, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
In an unrelated train of thought, could you see if you can take care of WP:AN#Histmerge needed?—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:52, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Best wait for someone else as I have no experience in that area. Sorry, --Diannaa (Talk) 00:56, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
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