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AfC notification: Draft:Alastair Little has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Alastair Little. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 19:29, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Tagishsimon (talk) 22:12, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

adding photographs

How do you add a photograph to a page?

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Lost work

I've just spent several hours creating a new contribution. I previewed it. Looked fine. It seems to have entirely disappeared. What did I do wrong?

Your submission at Articles for creation: Brindisa (October 29)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Curb Safe Charmer were:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 20:20, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Derekguthrie! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 20:20, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

October 2021

Hello Derekguthrie. The nature of your edits, such as the one you made to Draft:Brindisa, gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

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Hello Curb Safe Charmer

I thought I had answered your points previously but I may be mistaken. Forgive my amateurism, Wikipedia can be a confusing place for novices. I am a writer and frequently write material for no compensation if I think the content is worthwhile, as is the case here. I thought I had answered this point last October.

I have resubmitted the draft Brindisa article two months ago. It awaits approval. In my view the subjectmatter is notable and I have endeavoured to substantiate every point with clear, unambiguous, creditable independent sourcing, as directed, which I did as a reader at the British Library in London. Derekguthrie (talk)DerekGuthrie Derekguthrie (talk) 12:06, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging Curb Safe Charmer, in case you have not watchlisted this page. TSventon (talk) 12:58, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Brindisa

Hi Derekguthrie, I saw your Draft:Brindisa while doing research for a new article.

You asked at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk about how to resolve the problem‎ of using the wrong sources as reference, and potentially too much of their own material. My suggestion is

look for sources which are independent of the company
decide whether the sources are sufficient to meet the Wikipedia notability criteria for companies, especially that it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject, see Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria for details
if the company is notable, rewrite the article using references to independent sources
this should avoid the problem of inheriting a promotional tone from sources produced by the company

I followed these steps when writing an article on the nearby Monmouth Coffee Company. My article is a lot shorter than your draft, but hopefully can be expanded using the sources I have found. TSventon (talk) 08:53, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi TSventon TSventon Apologies if I'm submitting this on the wrong page. I can't seem to access the forum page you submitted today (December 29). FYI after my submission was rejected I started a search for more authoritative sources and found several (including the ones you have cited). There are a lot more which are not online but held in newspaper libraries. I am working on that to now and plan to resubmit the article when it is complete. The Holidays have intervened! best regards DerekguthrieDerekguthrie (talk) 18:33, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, the ping worked, so I got your message. I have answered on the other page. TSventon (talk) 18:53, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again, I am glad to see you have resubmitted the draft with more independent sources. I saw some reference error messages and was able to fix most of them, except the Lander, Nicholas (27 April 1996) Financial Times reference, which needs to have the title of the article added. TSventon (talk) 13:14, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

TSventon Thank you for your help and comments. I don't think there is a title for the article written by Lander, Nicholas as it appears to be his own column called 'Nick Lander' Like a lot of the sources I researched in the British Library's newspaper archives I traced a link from the original microfiche/hard copy clipping.

Thank you, I have added 'Nick Lander' as the title. I have also added a sentence about the importance of Brindisa along with Neal's Yard Dairy and Monmouth Coffee at Borough. The source mentions Brindisa at Exmouth Market as well as Borough. TSventon (talk) 00:24, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can I ask your advice/help? I'm not clear where my draft contribution 'Brindisa' has gone. It seems to have been moved to a kind of discussion page about food and drink. Is it still awaiting approval for publication? Sorry to trouble you, but there are aspects of Wikipedia I'm puzzled by. Thankyou Derekguthrie (talk) 21:35, 21 March 2022 (UTC)DerekGuthrie[reply]

Draft:Brindisa still exists and is still awaiting approval for publication, see the category "Pending AfC submissions" at the bottom. There are 33 unapproved pages of the same age, so it is not unusual. You created a blank talk page for the draft on 19 March, Draft talk:Brindisa, and I added a project banner, which is a normal part of a Wikipedia talk page. You can click between the draft page and its talk page using the tabs in the top left corner. I hope that makes sense, if not let me know. TSventon (talk) 22:06, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect sense, thank you. I've also just discovered the complete contribution, by accident really, via everybodywiki which allowed me to see the edits you carried out. Thank you for that, much appreciated. Derekguthrie (talk) 22:24, 21 March 2022 (UTC)Derekguthrie[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TSventon

Hi, any tips on finding out when my draft (Brindisa) is likely to be looked at? Derekguthrie (talk) 21:47, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I don't have much experience of Articles for Creation, but I think that it is pretty random. There are 3,057 pending submissions, of which 1925 are in Category:Draft articles on business and economics, so the queue is quite long. You could ask the reviewer who rejected your first submission if they could take another look or you could publish the article yourself. In any case the main issue is whether you have established Brindisa is WP:NOTABLE by finding multiple independent reliable sources with significant coverage of the subject. There is an essay, WP:THREE, that suggests that highlighting the three best sources is a good way of making it easier for editors to assess notability, so you could highlight the three best sources on the article talk page. I can't see the Times references, so I don't know how many of your sources have significant coverage of the company. I have merged some duplicate references to make it easier to review the references. TSventon (talk) 06:30, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thank you for that. I'll explore as best I can.

Incidentally, on an entirely different subject, I read your Monmouth Coffee entry. I knew Nick Saunders, I sold Alternative London with him in the 70s when he lived in Edith Grove. Long time ago! Derekguthrie (talk) 10:12, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Writing the Monmouth Coffee article reminded me how long ago the 70s were. I only know the company as a recent customer, (not when Nick Saunders was involved), but hope to get to Westminster reference library at some point to find more sources. TSventon (talk) 15:42, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again. Did you see my latest message to you on the draft brindisa page?

thankyou

Derekguthrie (talk) 11:53, 28 July 2022 (UTC)derekguthrie[reply]

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AfC notification: Draft:Brindisa has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Brindisa. Thanks! valereee (talk) 15:27, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Brindisa (May 30)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Valereee was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

No support for notability.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Brindisa and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Brindisa, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
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valereee (talk) 20:25, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 20:04, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Brindisa

Hello, Derekguthrie. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Brindisa".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:25, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]