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Dormant members of WP:LT

Hi, what are your criteria for deciding that certain Wikipedia:WikiProject London Transport/Members are dormant? I've made a bit of a go at Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains/Members#Former participants - these are people with no edits to any part of the English Wikipedia since 31 December 2010, also those who have been continuously blocked since 31 October 2011 or earlier. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:21, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I used the user activity tool on toolserver.org to check for anyone who hasn't edited since June. You just need to enter the page where the members are listed and it will check them all in one go.--DavidCane (talk) 00:32, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

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Herbie Hancock discography

When you have time, answer here --SJ (talk) 17:50, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

I renew the invitation. --SJ (talk) 15:12, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
I answered --SJ (talk) 03:50, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
I renew the invitation --SJ (talk) 21:23, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
David, we must accelerate this discussion. I feel that we can find a point of meeting, but we must be faster. The Rambling Man said that the discussion will be archived if there aren't comments/progress. Tonight (since 10pm (UTC) until 3:00am (UTC)) i will be present for the discussion. We can do it. However, i added many Tapes in the tables and my research is continuing. The hardest part is 8-Trk, but i'm trying. --SJ (talk) 13:07, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
I saw that you didn't come. When you can, reply as soon as possible. I will be here always from 10pm to 3am and sometimes in the afternoon. --SJ (talk) 02:06, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

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Please comment at Template talk:Reflist

Hi, re this edit and this revert, this has very broad implications (not just on this one article), so please comment at Template talk:Reflist#Which is preferable: forced column width or forced number of columns? --Redrose64 (talk) 20:11, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

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Main page appearance: Metropolitan Railway

This is a note to let the main editors of Metropolitan Railway know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on January 10, 2013. You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/January 10, 2013. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask featured article director Raul654 (talk · contribs) or his delegates Dabomb87 (talk · contribs), Gimmetoo (talk · contribs), and Bencherlite (talk · contribs), or start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests. If the previous blurb needs tweaking, you can change it—following the instructions at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. The blurb as it stands now is below:

A steam locomotive and carriage in a tunnel

The Metropolitan Railway opened the world's first underground line on 10 January 1863, connecting the mainline railway termini at Paddington, Euston and King's Cross to London's financial heart in the City using gas-lit wooden carriages hauled by steam locomotives. The railway was soon extended and completed the Inner Circle in 1884, but the most important route became the line to Verney Junction in Buckinghamshire, more than 50 miles (80 kilometres) from London. Electric traction was introduced in 1905 and by 1907 electric multiple units operated most of the services. The Railway developed land for housing and after World War I promoted housing estates near the railway with the "Metro-land" brand. On 1 July 1933, the Metropolitan Railway was amalgamated with the railways of the Underground Electric Railways Company of London and the capital's tramway and bus operators to form the London Passenger Transport Board. (Full article...)

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Sea Marge Hotel, Overstrand

Hello DavidCane I am afraid I have to disagree with you as far as the removal of the last paragraphs of this article. You have said the wording is excess advert-like information. How is including information about a lift, car parking, the name’s of restaurants and bars, advertising. If the text included flowery or peacock wording then I would agree with you. This section only has basic description of what is available at this hotel and doesn’t emphasize, recommend or criticize the facilities of this hotel. Also much as I appreciate your contributions to this article, some of your edits are incorrect. The section about the submarine, you removed the word rear from garden. This is wrong. living near this hotel I can tell you that if you stood in the front garden of this hotel then you could not send a signal to anything at sea as only the rear garden overlooks the sea. also English wikipedia is written by all English speaking nations. The word ostracized and ostracised are both correct spellings, depending on which side of the Atlantic you are reading it from. You have also removed the last section about the owners of the hotel who re-opened the hotel in 1996. Although I agree you are correct that they still own the hotel today, the fact that they re-opened it in 1996 makes this fact part of the establishments history.  stavros1  ♣  07:42, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

OK. I'll explain the reasons for my edits.
  • The reason the building is notable is threefold: 1. it was built for Sir Edgar Speyer, 2. it is a listed building and 3. it is a hotel. Of these, I would say that the first and second are of slightly greater importance than its current use as a hotel. Therefore, information about the hotel needs to be balanced and appropriate to a wikipedia article. Wikipedia is not a travel guide, so the fact that a hotel has a lift, a car park and wi-fi is not notable, nor is the fact that it has a restaurant and a bar. All of these things are typical of hotels and can be assumed. Finally, the number of rooms is not notable, but is dealt with in the information box in any case. What is notable is that the hotel has been restored and retains period features.
  • I changed "rear garden" to "gardens" for two reasons. Firstly, "rear" is subjective to a particular perspective and for a reader who does not know the area as you do, the position of the gardens to the hotel and the sea would not be significant. Secondly, when a house/hotel has five acres of open space attached to it, it is more common to describe them as "gardens" in a collective sense.
  • Ostracised is the more usual British English spelling, as is signalling rather than signaling, which I also changed. WP:TIES indicates that where alternative spellings exist, the one that is most strongly tied to the subject should be used.
  • The sentence about the Mackenzies reopening the hotel was not removed from the article. I moved it to the "The hotel today" section.
--DavidCane (talk) 22:57, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
OK. your patronizing comment, Wikipedia is not a travel guide. This was really unnecessary and unhelpful, You might want to review WP:CIVILITY.
Concerning your other points, all of which are valid, I am not going to get in to an argument with you about this. At the end of the day you have opinions as do I, and I can see from your comments, between us we will not agree over what should or shouldn’t go into an article about Hotel that happens to also be a notable building.  stavros1  ♣  07:25, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry if you feel that my explanation above or my linking to a wikipedia policy was being patronising in anyway. Nor was I uncivil. You came here for an explanation, so I gave you one in good faith. As you say, we differ as to what belongs in the article. I have no desire for an argument on my talk page and this discussion has already taken longer than the edits I made, so I'll leave it at that.--DavidCane (talk) 08:54, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2013 February newsletter

Round 1 is now over. The top 64 scorers have progressed to round 2, where they have been randomly split into eight pools of eight. At the end of April, the top two from each pool, as well as the 16 highest scorers from those remaining, will progress to round 3. Commiserations to those eliminated; if you're interested in still being involved in the WikiCup, able and willing reviewers will always be needed, and if you're interested in getting involved with other collaborative projects, take a look at the WikiWomen's Month discussed below.

Round 1 saw 21 competitors with over 100 points, which is fantastic; that suggests that this year's competition is going to be highly competative. Our lower scores indicate this, too: A score of 19 was required to reach round 2, which was significantly higher than the 11 points required in 2012 and 8 points required in 2011. The score needed to reach round 3 will be higher, and may depend on pool groupings. In 2011, 41 points secured a round 3 place, while in 2012, 65 was needed. Our top three scorers in round 1 were:

  1. Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions), primarily for an array of warship GAs.
  2. London Miyagawa (submissions), primarily for an array of did you knows and good articles, some of which were awarded bonus points.
  3. New South Wales Casliber (submissions), due in no small part to Canis Minor, a featured article awarded a total of 340 points. A joint submission with Alaska Keilana (submissions), this is the highest scoring single article yet submitted in this year's competition.

Other contributors of note include:

Featured topics have still played no part in this year's competition, but once again, a curious contribution has been offered by British Empire The C of E (submissions): did you know that there is a Shit Brook in Shropshire? With April Fools' Day during the next round, there will probably be a good chance of more unusual articles...

March sees the WikiWomen's History Month, a series of collaborative efforts to aid the women's history WikiProject to coincide with Women's History Month and International Women's Day. A number of WikiCup participants have already started to take part. The project has a to-do list of articles needing work on the topic of women's history. Those interested in helping out with the project can find articles in need of attention there, or, alternatively, add articles to the list. Those interested in collaborating on articles on women's history are also welcome to use the WikiCup talk page to find others willing to lend a helping hand. Another collaboration currently running is an an effort from WikiCup participants to coordinate a number of Easter-themed did you know articles. Contributions are welcome!

A few final administrative issues. From now on, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review only. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) J Milburn (talk) 01:05, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

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Piccadilly Heathrow Extension

Hello David. I believe you originally drew the diagram showing the alterations at Hounslow West for the Hatton Cross extension (commons:Image:Hounslow West station.png). Do you have any other first-hand experience with the cut-and-cover route. I'd like to get the route correct on OpenStreetMap ([1]). Many appreciations in advance. —Sladen (talk) 02:34, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

On the north side of Bath road I believe the tunnel is in the grassy margin on the north side of the road carriageway. It then goes under the roundabout and runs in the London-bound carriageway of the Great South-West Road in front of the group of houses before moving under the grassy margin to the west of the houses. This image on the London Transport Museum website shows the construction of the side walls of the tunnel in Great South-West Road. If you put the coordinates 51.474317,-0.399136 into Google Maps and then select Street View you can get almost the exact same view today.--DavidCane (talk) 11:00, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

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WikiProject Good Articles Recruitment Centre

Hello! Now, some of you might have already received a similar message a little while ago regarding the Recruitment Centre, so if you have, there is no need to read the rest of this. This message is directed to users who have reviewed over 15 Good article nominations and are not part of WikiProject Good articles (the first message I sent out went to only WikiProject members).

So for those who haven't heard about the Recruitment Centre yet, you may be wondering why there is a Good article icon with a bunch of stars around it (to the right). The answer? WikiProject Good articles will be launching a Recruitment Centre very soon! The centre will allow all users to be taught how to review Good article nominations by experts just like you! However, in order for the Recruitment Centre to open in the first place, we need some volunteers:

  • Recruiters: The main task of a recruiter is to teach users that have never reviewed a Good article nomination how to review one. To become a recruiter, all you have to do is meet this criteria. If we don't get at least 5-10 recruiters to start off with (at the time this message was sent out, 2 recruiters have volunteered), the Recruitment Centre will not open. If interested, make sure you meet the criteria, read the process and add your name to the list of recruiters. (One of the great things about being a recruiter is that there is no set requirement of what must be taught and when. Instead, all the content found in the process section is a guideline of the main points that should be addressed during a recruitment session...you can also take an entire different approach if you wish!) If you think you will not have the time to recruit any users at this time but are still interested in becoming a recruiter, you can still add your name to the list of recruiters but just fill in the "Status" parameter with "Not Available".
  • Co-Director: The current Director for the centre is me (Dom497). Another user that would be willing to help with some of the tasks would be helpful. Tasks include making sure recruiters are doing what they should be (teaching!), making sure all recruitments are archived correctly, updating pages as needed, answering any questions, and distributing the feedback form. If interested, please contact me (Dom497).
  • Nominators, please read this: If you are not interested in becoming a recruiter, you can still help. In some cases a nominator may have an issue with an "inexperienced" editor (the recruitee) reviewing one of their nominations. To minimize the chances of this happening, if you are fine with a recruitee reviewing one of your nominations under the supervision of the recruiter, please add your name to the list at the bottom of this page. By adding your name to this list, chances are that your nomination will be reviewed more quickly as the recruitee will be asked to choose a nomination from the list of nominators that are OK with them reviewing the article.

If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me. I look forward to seeing this program bring new reviewers to the Good article community and all the positive things it will bring along.

A message will be sent out to all recruiters regarding the date when the Recruitment Centre will open when it is determined. The message will also contain some further details to clarify things that may be a bit confusing.--Dom497 (talk)

This message was sent out by --EdwardsBot (talk) 15:07, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Template:NHLE

Please see Template talk:NHLE#Wrapper around template:Citation -- PBS (talk) 16:38, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

I have left a comment on the talk page.--DavidCane (talk) 23:38, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
FYI, there is an ongoing discussion between PBS and myself over the correct form for the author: "NHLE", "English Heritage" or "English Heritage staff". Any input from you would be welcome. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 22:34, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

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Main Page appearance: Frank Pick

This is a note to let the main editors of Frank Pick know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on July 1, 2013. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask featured article director Raul654 (talk · contribs) or one of his delegates (Dabomb87 (talk · contribs), Gimmetoo (talk · contribs), and Bencherlite (talk · contribs)), or start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests. You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/July 1, 2013. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. The blurb as it stands now is below:

Early London Underground roundel

Frank Pick (1878–1941) was a British transport administrator. In 1906, he joined the Underground Electric Railways Company of London (UERL) where he rose through the corporate ranks, becoming managing director in 1928. On 1 July 1933, he became chief executive officer and vice-chairman of the London Passenger Transport Board when it was formed to take charge of most of the transport operations in and around London. Pick had a strong interest in public design, steering the development of the London Underground's corporate identity by commissioning commercial art, modern architecture and graphic design, including the first version of the Underground's roundel (pictured). Under his direction, London's Underground network and associated bus services expanded considerably, reaching out into new areas and stimulating the growth of London's suburbs. His impact on the growth of London between the world wars led to him being likened to Baron Haussmann and Robert Moses. Pick wrote and lectured extensively on sociological issues and on the place of art and design in society, for which he was compared to Gaius Maecenas and Thomas Aquinas. (Full article...)

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Precious

London Underground
Thank you for quality articles on the London Underground, its history and its people such as Frank Pick (started in 2005), for creating featured lists, working on templates, assessing, improving the precision of coordinates, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:45, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks very much.--DavidCane (talk) 21:49, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

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WP:FOUR RFC

There are two WP:RFCs at WP:FOUR. The first is to conflate issues so as to keep people from expressing meaningful opinions. The second, by me, is claimed to be less than neutral by proponents of the first. Please look at the second one, which I think is much better.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:26, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

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Grade I listed buildings in Maidstone

Hi David, sorry I overlooked your list for Maidstone and the excellent work you've put into it. Would it be ok with you if I tweaked the format of the list so that it uses the same templates the others do? I would copy over all the dates, links, photos, and descriptions so nothing would be lost. In the list you turned into a redirect the notes column wasn't switched on. Other Featured Lists are now using the format (eg: Greater Manchester and Bristol) so it won't jeapordise the status of the list. Nev1 (talk) 13:37, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

OK, provided that none of the existing information is lost. The description column, like the one in the list for Coventry, was something that was requested during the FLC. The formatting of the {{GeoGroupTemplate}} also needs to stay to create the location overlay map on Bing or Google Maps. The architect column is probably not needed as I think the only one of the 43 where an architect is named is Linton Park. Note that the sorting of the completed column uses {{sort}} to arrange years and centuries in the correct order.--DavidCane (talk) 01:43, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
I've had a stab at the new layout and you can see it here.
A trip to the see also section reminded me of your good work on list of scheduled monuments in Maidstone. I think a navigation template along the lines of the ones for listed buildings might need to be created to link your list with the ones Peter I. Vardy put together for Cheshire. Nev1 (talk) 11:17, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

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50th edition

I know this edition is unusually late but I have published the 50th edition of the Metro. Simply south...... fighting ovens for just 7 years 23:15, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

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