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A dispute at WT:WikiProject Afghanistan

There is a dispute located at WT:WikiProject Afghanistan#Disruptive adding of the Nastaliq writing style and I don't know how to work towards resolving it. At first it seemed like a content dispute but now it seems like there are conduct issues at play. Danre98 (alt) (talk) 18:32, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

I would like help resolving the dispute. Danre98 (alt) (talk) 18:58, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Helpers who respond to the {{help me}} request will not get involved in content disputes. You need to follow the escalation steps outlined at dispute resolution if the original discussion on the talk page is not resolving into a consensus. This could involve, for instance, an RFC.
But I see that these other options have already been mentioned in the discussion. The other thing I would advise is to let ambiguous or vague conduct issues slide off if you can. Really bad behavioral problems should be reported at the appropriate administrative noticeboard, but just remember that your own behavior will be looked at as well as that of the user you are reporting. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 21:26, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

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the Kabul times

Dear good day hope you are doing well, as you know I going to enrich the the Kabul times newspaper please let to finished it, cause there is a lot should I prove, still working on it. whenever my jobs finish will inform you


thank for you understanding

regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navidarian (talk • contribs) 19:22, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Navidarian and I hope you are doing well. I saw you working on the Kabul Times article and I appreciate the effort, it really needs attention. However, you copied text from https://thekabultimes.gov.af/about-us/ which is not allowed, unfortunately. It is copyrighted which means you cannot copy it into Wikipedia. I would suggest paraphrasing the page, summarizing it in your own words. That way it is not a violation of copyright and you contributions can be a part of the article.
In summary, because the material you added was taken directly from a copyrighted source you cannot add it. If you put it in your own words, you can add it. Danre98(talk^contribs) 19:35, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
@Navidarian, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copying_text_from_other_sources WP:COPYPASTE for more information. You can find information on how to paraphrase at WP:PARAPHRASE. Danre98(talk^contribs) 19:38, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

--Navidarian (talk)== the Kabul times ==

Ok thanks for your guide, i will try to do it by my own words


thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navidarian (talk • contribs) 19:47, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

@Navidarian You're welcome, and your recent edit is much better with the paraphrasing (and free of copyright violations), thank you very much. Keep on editing! Danre98(talk^contribs) 02:08, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


Thank you very much dear Danre98 I will try my best.

(Navidarian (talk) 10:53, 10 August 2021 (UTC));

DYK nomination of Capture of Zaranj

Hello! Your submission of Capture of Zaranj at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BuySomeApples (talk) 00:43, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

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DYK for Yasin Zia

On 20 August 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Yasin Zia, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Yasin Zia, while Chief of General Staff of Afghanistan, personally led government forces against the Taliban on the edge of Mihtarlam, 120 km (75 mi) from Kabul? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Yasin Zia. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Yasin Zia), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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DYK for Capture of Zaranj

On 26 August 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Capture of Zaranj, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Zaranj was the first Afghan provincial capital to be captured by the Taliban since the Battle of Kunduz in 2016? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Capture of Zaranj. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Capture of Zaranj), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Request on 19:42:18, 25 August 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Mbochart


Would like to further understand the rationale for the page being declined Hi Danre98. Thank you for taking the time to review my article submission for Bush + Renz, and for offering feedback. I would like to make the necessary corrections in order for the article to be published. If I created a new section called "Partnership," and found 2-3 sources that discuss the nature of Bush and Renz's working relationship, would that be adequate in your estimation? I guess I'm a little confused because even well-known articles like Coen brothers or Russo brothers focus overwhelmingly on the filmography/career of that partnership, and have very little information on the nature of the partnership itself. Thank you again, very much, for your time, and for any additional information you can provide. Mbochart (talk) 19:42, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

@Mbochart: Hello and good day. I did not decline it because the filmography/career section was larger than the other sections, and you are correct that other articles tend to focus more on the career section, Coen Brothers is a good example. I declined it because after reviewing the sources I did not think the subject was shown to be notable, or whether it warrants its own article. For the article to be notable, it has to be shown to pass the general notability guideline (link: WP:GNG).[a]
The general notability guideline says that A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article... when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. So, if there are sources (plural) that meet those requirements, the subject is notable and can have its own article. I looked through the cited sources, and many of them are interviews (not independent) or only briefly mention the partnership while discussing the films and other things the partnership has directed. I did find that the Hollywood Times article met that definition, but the article still needs another source that discusses the detail in significant coverage (and is independent, reliable).
Note: the subject might also be notable under the guideline for creative professionals however it is unclear whether it applies to multiple people and I doubt that the duo would meet it even if it did.

Notes

  1. ^ Articles also must not be excluded under WP:NOT, however that is not an issue for this subject
Other reviewers may have different opinions. In summary, the article needs another source that significantly covers the pair, is independent of them, and is reliable. Sources that discuss the nature of their working relationship may fit that description. Keep on editing! —Danre98(talk^contribs) 20:42, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your quick reply, and for providing me with additional information. Would this article from Cultured Magazine meet the standard you described to me? It discusses the pair's creative process, as well as the ways in which the juxtaposition of their respective racial and cultural identities directly impacts their work. https://www.culturedmag.com/antebellum-gerard-bush-and-christopher-renz-make-work-that-everyone-can-learn-from/ I welcome your thoughts. Thank you.Mbochart (talk) 21:32, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
@Mbochart Yeah, I'd say that meets the standard. —Danre98(talk^contribs) 21:49, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Good day,Danre98. I hope your day is going well so far. I added a line in the introductory paragraph that links to the new source of which you approved. Please let me know if this change corrects the issue with the article. Thank you, again, for your assistance and guidance!Mbochart (talk) 14:54, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
@Mbochart: You can submit it if you want. I'll give it another look over and make sure there isn't any other issues when I have time. If there aren't any other issues, I will accept it. —Danre98(talk^contribs) 17:45, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
@Danre98:Thank you. I just resubmitted it.Mbochart (talk) 17:53, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
I accepted it. —Danre98(talk^contribs) 19:18, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

New stub article in Afghanistan WikiProject

Hello. I am just letting active members of the Afghanistan WikiProject know that Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan–United States relations started a few days ago and need a lot of work. Elijahandskip (talk) 02:12, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

@Elijahandskip: Hello, thanks for notifying users. I won't be editing it because the government collapsed recently and I'm not really in a rush to write it when there isn't even a proper Afghan government yet. In addition, it has some OR problems that I don't fancy messing with. —Danre98(talk^contribs) 19:10, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Fall of Herat

On 30 August 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Fall of Herat, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that during the Fall of Herat a United Nations office in Herat was attacked, killing a security guard? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Fall of Herat. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Fall of Herat), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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DYK for Battle of Lashkargah

On 31 August 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Battle of Lashkargah, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Taliban secured victory in the Battle of Lashkargah soon after suicide–car-bombing the police headquarters, a crucial chokepoint of the city's defense? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Battle of Lashkargah. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Battle of Lashkargah), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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DYK for Malan Bridge

On 4 September 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Malan Bridge, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that according to legend, Malan Bridge (pictured) was built by two mythical princesses who mixed egg shells with clay to create a bridge stronger than steel? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Malan Bridge. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Malan Bridge), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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(I'm stunned, 23k views) —Danre98(talk^contribs) 04:28, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

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I ran across this draft and saw your comments. It seems you may be a bit antisemetic toward the subject and should probably reconsider your tone. Let me ask the TeaHouse what your peers think...— Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.114.236.14 (talk) 10:19, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

That's fine, but you might want to consider going to WP:AFCHD as it is a more specialized forum. Danre98 (alt) (talk) 10:29, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

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Draft:Kolkatar Harry

I was about to comment on Draft:Kolkatar Harry but I see you marked it as under review. I found the sources too brief, no in-depth coverage. Primarily the sources consist of announcements about the film and some interview quotes. WP:TOOSOON to be notable enough to meet the requirements of WP:GNG and WP:NFF. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:50, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

@Anachronist: I've unmarked it as under review. I didn't notice that the random submission selected an article moved to draftspace and submitted so soon for me to review until after I had marked it. In other circumstances, I'd have accepted it but I'd rather not move it back into mainspace right after it was (reasonably) draftified. I've also only been reviewing for a month so I'd like to make sure I stay within my abilities. —Danre98(talk^contribs) 17:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
You have to watch for new editors moving things to main space themselves (and watch for experienced editors moving things back to draft space). In this case it was a disclosed paid editor affiliated with an Indian broadcast channel who moved it to main space (that editor has a whole sock farm of colleagues that have already been blocked for similar activity, but I'm leaving this one alone because the account is trying to abide by the rules, starting with the paid editing declaration). Due to the citation to a Zee TV publication, it is safe to assume that the editor who moved it has a COI with that article. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll add that to the list of things I learned today- I didn't check and notice that the editor that moved the article into mainspace was a disclosed paid editor. —Danre98(talk^contribs) 18:12, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

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On 25 September 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Musalla complex, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that most of the Timurid 15th-century Musalla complex (remains pictured) was destroyed in 1885 by the British and the Emir of Afghanistan, Abdul Rahman Khan? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Musalla Complex. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Musalla complex), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Precious

Afghanistan culture and recent history

Thank you for quality articles about articles such as Musalla complex, Fall of Herat, Capture of Zaranj and Yasin Zia, for making navboxes for provinces, for destubbing articles and looking into Articles for creation, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

You are recipient no. 2655 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, you made my day. —Danre98(talk^contribs) 20:57, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Shukria Alimi Raad

Thank you for looking at the draft. Just needed some clarification. You said that quotes need to be trimmed. Do you mean that each quote should be trimmed or that there is a max number of quotes that I can have? Please clarify. Meanwhile I will look into secondary source. Thank you once again. Rezanaul (talk) 22:11, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

@Rezanaul: Sure, I'll be happy to clarify. Roughly half of the article consists of the quotes section which is way too much. Using that many quotes is incompatible with an encyclopedic writing style.[1] (In addition, if material produced by Voice of America wasn't public domain, it would be a copyright violation.) Reduction of that section somehow is needed or possibly elimination. Because Wikipedia is not a place to list quotations, I would recommend removing that section entirely and incorporating useful quotes into the rest of the article. This would include paraphrasing much of the material in each quote and directly quoting Voice of America in a few cases. Let me know if you have any other questions about this. —Danre98(talk^contribs) 22:37, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ MOS:QUOTE

User has since been blocked as a sockpuppet —Danre98(talk^contribs) 19:51, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

RfA 2021 review update

Thanks so much for participating in Phase 1 of the RfA 2021 review. 8 out of the 21 issues discussed were found to have consensus. Thanks to our closers of Phase 1, Primefac and Wugapodes.

The following had consensus support of participating editors:

  1. Corrosive RfA atmosphere
    The atmosphere at RfA is deeply unpleasant. This makes it so fewer candidates wish to run and also means that some members of our community don't comment/vote.
  2. Level of scrutiny
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The 2021 re-examination of RFA has been completed. 23 (plus 2 variants) ideas were proposed. Over 200 editors participated in this final phase. Three changes gained consensus and two proposals were identified by the closers as having the potential to gain consensus with some further discussion and iteration. Thanks to all who helped to close the discussion, and in particular Primefac, Lee Vilenski, and Ymblanter for closing the most difficult conversations and for TonyBallioni for closing the review of one of the closes.

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Next time, I'd advise adding the reasoning BEFORE making the edit. Cheers. Firestar464 (talk) 02:26, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

@Firestar464: I do think I am allowed more than 2 minutes to post (I did it in 6). However, I do understand how you could have interpreted my summary to mean that I was using the weak sources existing on the page to justify my edit. I probably should have put "will post on talk" instead or done as you suggested.
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The New topic tool helps editors create new ==Sections== on discussion pages. New editors are more successful with this new tool. You can read the report. Soon, the Editing team will offer this to all editors at most WMF-hosted wikis. You can join the discussion about this tool for the English Wikipedia is at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Enabling the New Topic Tool by default. You will be able to turn it off in the tool or at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing-discussion.

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