User talk:Chergles/Archive 1

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New issues for discussion

start: Still trying to figure out Wikipedia. Im not sure if this is where I am supposed to reply to your comments. My username is the name of my indipendant record label and I hope to fill some information on the history of the bands in it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Revert Entertainment (talk • contribs) 00:55, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: DYK

No, unfortunately it doesn't appear to be placed correctly. It should have been added under the "Suggestions" section, on the empty template. See [2] for an example. - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 17:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

• Doesn't seem to either, but I've repositioned it. [3] I appreciate and thank you for the effort though, hope to see you working in DYK more often in future. :) - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 18:04, 8 October 2007 (UTC) (Apologies for the repeated changes on your talkpage, there were connection problems)

Did you know

On 13 October, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Shrapnel Valley Commonwealth War Graves Commission Cemetery, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Allen3 ^talk 02:17, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Shrapnel Valley Cemetery

Thanks for the excellent work you have done enlarging and improving the Shrapnel Valley Cemetery article, and for nominating it for DYK. Best wishes. Jll 11:07, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Resilient Barnstar
		I, Durova, award Chergles the Resilient Barnstar for starting an article that got highlighted at Template:Did you know after making a legitimate return from an indefinite block. Welcome back, and may this be the start of a much better journey. :) DurovaCharge! 05:46, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

ANI subpages

As long as there are no timestamps in the "stub sections", they will not be archived. —Random832 20:45, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Comment

If you found it personally offensive, then I'm sorry. I found your nomination to be in very poor taste.

If you didn't actually find it personally offensive, then you are crying foul simply to make a point and thus you really are doing what it appeared you were doing.

Either way, it all needs to cool down and that means everyone from both viewpoints needs to chill and stop with the rhetoric. Your long-winded public nomination can only serve to provoke responses against the nomination which does little to calm things down. Doing so after Durova asked that people let this cool down is fanning the flames or simply bad judgment.. you're welcome to choose whichever you prefer.

You're welcome to respond or not as you choose, I won't reply again.

Best Regards, Peace. Lsi john (talk) 22:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK

Thanks for helping out in DYK. We haven't had people putting suggestions on the Next Update lately, and that really help us to proofread and prepare. One note: your suggestion of FDR's Top Cottage was written/expanded on the 8th, but there was a nice article on a French railway from the 6th waiting in the suggestions list. We try to select from the oldest nominations first, so that they have a chance to be on the main page before the 5 day time-limit ends. We still have 2 more days (8 rotations) to feature all the articles from the 7th and the 8th. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

He he! Actually there was one suitable nom left on Dec 6, and since it had a nice image it really ought to go up next. We get regular criticism about the photo, because it's usually a person's head or a house/building. So, whenever he have the option to choose something different, it's probably a good idea. I can't recall the last time a rail engine image was used. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:45, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Auto image policy development

Hi, Chergles. I'm trying to move the ball forward on this topic and hold namecalling and invective to a minimum here on WPA. If you have a moment and can add your thoughts, the odds of a productive outcome would likely improve. Thanks. —Scheinwerfermann (talk) 23:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

User page

Hi Chergles I notice the changes you've made to your userpage[4]. I'm going to ask you to remove the the note about Anacapa. In the spirit of WP:DENY it is better to deny banned users recognition. I only keep the report page becuase the user in question keeps returning. I also know that you feel hard done by with the checkuser result. For privacy reasons we cannot run another one to prove you "innocent". Neither I nor Durova consider you an Anacapa sock and the hotpotatoes issue is closed as long as you don't use that account again. It would be good if you could put this matter behind you and continue to be a good wikipedian. Taking down the sock-puppet box might also be a good idea since you have proven yourself not to be one by your on-site activities - it also may confuse other people. Best wishes--Cailil ^talk 21:03, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Howdy

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Re. What is your source of information? Too soon to be a coincidence.

Hey Chergles. Thanks for your report to Pascal about the username. I actually blocked it because it was reported to Wikipedia:Usernames for administrator attention, which is the place where inappropriate usernames are reported to. Hope that information helps! Thanks for all your contributions, Ryan Postlethwaite 03:42, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Bruce Rusty Lang article

Help me write the Bruce Rusty Lang article. If there is sufficient information suitable for Wikipedia, I will write an article. See User talk:Dr. B. R. Lang/proposed article. Chergles (talk) 18:28, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your consideration and effort. I'll get some additional information and references together to add to it. I appreciate your eiditorial input and objectivity. Sincerely, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 20:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I understand, and I thank you for your effort and input. You're welcome to edit it down to whatever is better. I've added additional info knowing that it would be edited. I still intend to expand it when I find more references. The autobiogarphical excess serves as a personal template for some other work I'm doing. It's helping to jog my recollection of the chronology of distant life events. One thing I'm still looking for is ref. to when I walked out on strike with other employees for higher wages from the Dallas Morning News when I was 15 years old (I was working there underage illegally). The case went to the Supreme Court, and we won, but I was in Viet Nam by then. Thanks again! I appreciate your interest and work. Sincerely, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 14:52, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

The draft of the article you proposed has been moved to: User:Dr. B. R. Lang/proposed article. It is currently in the Administrator's forum, receiving further edits. Thanks again; I appreciate your input and contributions. Sincerely, Rusty Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 01:51, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

2000 primary

I prefer "viewpoint B". I would remove all references to other people's viewpoints and all polls. To me, these are all subjective and are simply ways to POV push via sourced material. Because such material isn't OR, editor's and admins think it's proper. If you could implement "viewpoint B", I would be grateful. If you do make such an attempt, expect plenty of resistance. --SMP0328. (talk) 20:43, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Finally here is my answer (which is also in context on my talk page)

Hi Chergles; First of all, thank you for contacting me. As I mentioned on the George W. Bush talk page, his article really needs a "facelift". Even so he is one of the least likeable Presidents with terrible public opinions ratings doesn't give allowance to be bashed with POV in WP. That was my main concern when I answered to your proposal there. Now, I must admit that I usually try not to get involved to much in writing/rewriting articles but instead prefer to have an eye on them, giving my opinion sometimes or reverting controversial edits. Guess I'm some kind of "moral cop" (and yes, I make mistakes sometimes).

But now, after all that "soap" I should give you some answers to your request. For your first edit I already gave you a positive response on Talk:George W. Bush if you remember.

To be fair I also should tell you by now that I'm definitely not a fan of W. Bush but consider myself fair and neutral when it comes to encyclopedic entries like here in WP. I dislike sources that call themselves "neutral" and yet tell me what to think. I prefer to get the facts and make up my mind by myself and therefore I'm not pleased with the George W. Bush article. Ok, point made.

Now I finally get to your "Welcome to the 2000 Primary Group!" questions.

Feel free to ask or point me out to any question "in question" that comes up and/or you're not sure if an edit would "pass the skeptical/critical or just plain bias WP-community". I'll certainly will help to keep any reasonable NPOV edit stand.

About the "cultural and political image" sections in several politicians articles:

In general I personally dislike them since the Title leaves them open for all kinds of perspectives to edit. But they are there and so I guess we have to deal with them, but I think that most of those paragraphs inside those sections could be easily included in other sections while creating other new sections for issues that just don't fit anywhere else (but with a more specific section subtitle. --Floridianed (talk) 06:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

In context with your last comment on my talk page.:

Hi Chergles. Sorry for not having responded yet to the issue. I'll promise I'll do so soon (maybe this week-end?). But one important question I do have to ask you. You wrote: "I was going to pick one Republican and one Democrat ". I hope you don't mean me by that because I'm neither. Maybe I gave you the impression I'm a Democrat because I disagree with W. Bush? Anyway, if you meant to pick me for balance as a Democrat or Republican you picked the wrong one. Still, that doesn't mean I reject being part of the "2000 Primary Group". I think it's a good idea and I certainly "be honored" to be part of it (even so without much time on hand). Regards, --Floridianed (talk) 03:16, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

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Regarding User:Wolfkeeper

Please note that you have no power to review unblock requests, as you are not an admin. Please keep that in mind, but thanks for your enthusiasm! weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 22:14, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Welcome and "Hello" back to you

Thanks for the greeting. Although you've had your account for a while, it looks like you've only been contributing on a regular basis in the last month or so. If you have any questions about the working of this place (policies, mechanics, etc.), feel free to ask me. In the meanwhile, have fun! Cheers, caknuck _° is back from his wikisiesta 19:44, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

While I am an administrator, I try to stay out of the bulk of the politics of his place. Mostly it's because I don't have the time or energy to follow the site as closely as many of the more dedicated admins (ie. who's been banned for what, the characteristics of every recurring vandal and their socks, etc...). If you keep up with WP:ANI, it's easy to see that admins occasionally make mistakes, exhibit rash behavior and misuse the tools with which they've been trusted.

I haven't looked into the whole backstory surrounding the RFCU and your ban. If that's how it played out, then it's remarkable that you have stuck it out and still want to contribute. I like to think that I'm a pretty reasonable guy, so if you see anything questionable, drop me a line. Until then, caknuck _° is back from his wikisiesta 00:07, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Priestville, NS deletion

You recently gave the opinion to speedy keep the article Priestville, Nova Scotia, although it doesn't meet any criteria for speedy keep. Just thought I'd let you know. Cheers. Cavenba (talk • contribs) 04:32, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

The only policy is the proposal at WP:NPT. However, the article doesn't have any references that come from third parties, only ones from the government(s), which is really against policy. Cavenba (talk • contribs) 21:14, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Could you clarify what you meant about my userboxes? Also, I forgot to say in my original edit that speedy keep policy is at WP:KEEP. Cheers. Cavenba (talk • contribs) 21:22, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

It must be your browser, it looks fine to me in Firefox 3.0 and Internet Explorer 7.0. Cavenba (talk • contribs) 21:47, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Adoption

Yes, I can mentor you. I'll be available to answer any questions you may have. In fact, I'm pretty much available around the clock (except when I'm asleep). However, I will not take responsibility for your edits. I will guide you, make suggestions, etc, so you can improve as a Wikipedian, however, the final call on the edits you make will always be yours. Useight (talk) 22:00, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I couldn't find a section called "Cultural and political image" on George W. Bush, but I gues you're referring to some other politicians. Anyway, your reasoning seems logical and reasonable. Perhaps you could include a {{POV}} tag on those sections if they seem skewed one way or the other. Also, everything there should be sourced, especially if it is negative, otherwise it could be considered libel. As a side note, yes, I'm American, so I'm familiar with the process. Useight (talk) 17:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

How goes your work at getting a neutral tone on the politicians' pages? Useight (talk) 01:56, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I think I will need about two weeks. I want to get it right the first time. I also must do 2 politicians at the same time. If I do only one at a time, people may think I am trying to help one party. I am trying to help Wikipedia, not a party, but to strengthen the case that I am fair, I will work one both offline and put it online at the same time. Chergles (talk) 23:52, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Indeed working on politician-related articles is difficult, it will probably be easier after the elections, like you said. As for being your mentor last month, it's no problem, I only have two reasons for being on Wikipedia: 1) Improve the encyclopedia; and 2) Help other improve the encyclopedia. Useight (talk) 02:08, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Kenneth L. Olson

Yeah, looks like a pretty clear cut case of WP:NOT#MEMORIAL to me. I'd afd it. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells• Otter chirps • HELP!)} 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Prevention

Thanks for placing the warning on my user page. Those familiar with Civil War history will realize that the user name, 8th Ohio Volunteers, is the name of a specific regiment of infantry in the Union army, and had nothing at all to do with the number of Wiki users using the account. I am most assuredly a single entity, but being from Ohio, have a particular fondness for this particular regiment. 8th Ohio Volunteers (talk) 12:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I wish!

I wish I drove a BMW - we poor journalists can't afford those. As my user page says, BMW happens to also be my own initials, which is why it's my sig. Only my wife drives a BMW, that is ...ME! BMW(drive) 15:50, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Possible BLP warning

I think I would just let it go in that particular case. It appears to be kind of a good faith edit, so I don't think issuing a warning would be necessary. I usually only warn in cases of obvious vandalism, but everyone has their own style. Personally, though, I wouldn't warn. I think it was correct to revert it though, if the source does not mention cocaine. Useight (talk) 19:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Re:Sorry for the omission

Thanks for welcoming me too. ;) -- MISTER ALCOHOL ^{T C} 01:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Enrique Nieto

On 10 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Enrique Nieto, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 11:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

OK

Can you help too? We need

1. 5? hooks
2. image loaded from commons?
3. achive of last set

OK? Victuallers (talk) 22:30, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

RE: dyk

Sorry, it's close to midnight here. Apologies. Garden. 22:34, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Bricklin

I have added the "citation needed" to both articles. That was an excellent catch, who knows how many people missed that detail. Useight (talk) 22:46, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

2 more Victuallers (talk) 22:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Cookies

Some cookies to thank you!

Here's some cookies for welcoming me last week. -- MISTER ALCOHOL ^{T C} 04:01, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Chalie Lynn

Hi. Just noticed that my nomination for Charlie Lynn was removed as a result of a request by admin. Just wondering what I did wrong? Cheers. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Did_you_know&diff=next&oldid=244659541 Assize (talk) 21:11, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

• • Looking at the page again, I think I have "verballed" you, and you were the previous edit. Sorry. Assize (talk) 09:55, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Gérard Depardieu

I don't think this template would help, since its wording ended up being ambiguous. We've only had a handful of editors (OK, two) mis-reading the source, and if necessary, the article can be protected for a short time if confusion persists. I appreciate your efforts to help, but I'm wary of flagging articles like that as it might attract mischief as a result. Cheers. --Rodhullandemu 21:38, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

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Anne Charrier

The notability tag doesn't refer it to a debate or anything. It would have gone for a speedy delete if the references were not there. Feel free to remove the tag but I would suggest you add something to establish notabilty pretty quickly if you can. Cheers Waterden (talk) 18:45, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

If it goes up for deletion let me know. I will look to see if I can support you with it. Without going down the WP:OSE route, I have seen less notable artciles saved.Waterden (talk) 18:54, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Have categorzied iy, added the wiki link to her major film and copy edited a little. Still needs more info but hopefull will be anough to save it if challenged. If you can find any film reviews or anything about her in mainstream press, even in French, it would be useful. Having a page on the French wikipedia would help too. Waterden (talk) 19:07, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

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Follow-up

Following up on your comments on my talk page, I wanted to make you aware of this RFCU and outcome. Toddst1 (talk) 18:50, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

On 16 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Alice Springs Reptile Centre, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:23, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Hurricane Noel

Hey there—I saw that you copy and pasted the majority of Effects of Hurricane Noel in the United States into the Hurricane Noel article. I wanted to ask if you are willing to consider reverting your edit, for a couple of reasons. First and least importantly, Effects of Hurricane Noel in the United States is a current FAC, which I'm sure you've noticed. More importantly, the article now violates WP:UNDUE, as it has far more information for the United States than it does for the countries which it severely affected, such as Haiti, Dominican Republic, and Cuba. In addition, the article is now heavily US-biased. Now, considering the damage in the United States was actually fairly minor, one or two moderately-sized paragraphs in the Hurricane Noel article should suffice and present a NPOV in relation to the other impacted areas, hence my creation of the sub-article to include all of the information. Cheers, –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 20:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Would you object to keeping the United States section shorter than the Hispaniola section, to avoid a POV? –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 21:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

It looks good. I'd like to see a little more information, namely the power outages and a brief description of the actual impact. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 22:26, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

What is "dizzy" about it? It follows WPTC standards perfectly. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 15:39, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Also, an analysis of the storm is at Meteorological history of Hurricane Noel, and doesn't belong in the effects articles. Cheers, –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 15:42, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Joe the Plumber

He hasn't changed his name to Joe the Plumber. So, teh article shouldn't be renamed that. A redirect will suffice. ANd this is what's happening right now. It is interesting how one person's concerns can blossom a serious discussion about tax policy. Dogru144 (talk) 23:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Marcellus A. Stovall

On 20 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Marcellus A. Stovall, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

nice nom. Victuallers (talk) 07:46, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Template Substitution

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Re: Rollback

You have been granted rollback per your request. Note, though, that it can be taken away if misused, so I recommend reading Wikipedia:Rollback feature. The first two sections cover when rollback should be used and when it shouldn't be. Useight (talk) 01:25, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: AFD

Indeed, you'll want to be fairly confident that the article should be deleted before bringing it to AFD. If, in the end, the article is kept, nobody is going to start shouting at you for attempting to AFD it (unless you start AFDing many, many articles that are all kept). If the article ends up being deleted, it would be very unlikely that the article's creator will start wikistalking you to make trouble. As for Augustine Broach, he may not be notable enough to warrant an article. There are very few Google results about him (but Google is not the only indicator of notability); I also didn't search very in-depth regarding this particular postmaster. Useight (talk) 01:34, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

USS Liberty Incident

Thanks for the offer. Consider this the request you asked for. dougweller (talk) 18:42, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Checkuser policy

I'm not the most familiar with checkuser policy because I am not a checkuser and I do not aspire to become one. However, I would hope that the situation you outlined on my talk page is an anomaly. Some information about the checkuser policy can be found here. I do not know of this specific situation you have outlined on my talk page, but I would imagine that the blocked editor was a very new account that would not likely have found the ANI thread. I'd like to know further details of the situation in order to analyze it further, but I do know that performing a checkuser does require substantial evidence. Otherwise it could be considered fishing for information. For more specifics, I'd like to see some links to what actually happened, or I can point you to some of our checkusers so you can ask them for further clarification of that particular policy. Some checkusers with whom I am familiar are: Deskana, Newyorkbrad, and Rlevse. Useight (talk) 05:59, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

First, it sounds like you are confusing bans with blocks. User:ImNotObama was blocked, not banned. User:ImNotObama2 was also indef blocked. The account that was banned was the sockmaster User:BryanFromPalatine. I know suspected sockpuppets can be blocked before the sockpuppetry is actually confirmed, as long as there is evidence that sockpuppetry is probable. See the duck test. I suppose the best way to avoid allegation of sockpuppetry when defending a questionable editor is to first become an established editor yourself. If you're a well-known contributor such allegations should not be thrust upon you. But if you only have 12 edits and you show up at a RFCU, it does seem kind of suspicious. Useight (talk) 17:25, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

The differences between an indefinite block and a ban are few. First off, the block is the technical measure that prevents them from editing Wikipedia. The ban is a social decision that basically says, "Wikipedia is a place anyone can edit...except you", but that is a harsh way to put it. In theory, an individual could be banned but their account not be blocked if they could be trusted not to use the account. There are far fewer banned individuals than there are one's that are indef blocked. This is because only Jimbo Wales, ArbCom, or a community ruling can result in a ban. An indef block can be issued by an admin acting unilaterally. An indef blocked user still enjoys a few priviledges that a banned user does not have, such as the ability to edit their own talk page (typically used to contest the block). Also articles created by banned users can be speedy deleted while that created by an indef blocked user (obviously before the ban or block) must go through the regular channels, such as AFD. Those are pretty much the practical differences. Really, the difference is hard to put nicely, it's the difference between "We're preventing you from editing" and "You're not allowed to edit." It's kind of philosophical. Useight (talk) 01:46, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll comment on the specific User:ImNotObama case later. Useight (talk) 01:48, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I, too, am not all that satisifed with Luna's reasoning on Wikipedia:Rfcu#Fossett.26Elvis. I'm also looking into User:Concerning2, something is a little fishy there, too. Useight (talk) 04:39, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'm aware that you're more interested in the process than the individuals involved, but there isn't a whole lot I can do personally to change the process. What you could do is write up a formal proposal and bring up a specific change on the RFCU talk page. Useight (talk) 16:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Your questions were: 1) If your assessment of the necessary standard to block is correct; and 2) If I have an opinion on ImNotObama. First, your assessment of the requirements to block was: "if we suspect another user is "likely" to be a sock but don't have enough information to be "confirmed", then it is ok to block them?... Is it that administrator can block on a whim as long as they can think of some excuse?". To the first point, yes, "suspected" and "likely" sockpuppets can be blocked without it having to be confirmed first. For example, see the template on User:Worstnightmare. However, your second part about admins blocking on a whim isn't the best assessment. The editor has to have violated policy such as vandalizing, 3RR, or an inappropriate username. In the case of suspected sock puppets, though, it is somewhat subjective (i.e., it is not as clear cut as an editor repeatedly vandalizing an article). Blocking for inappropriate usernames is also subjective, some admins might think the username is a violation of the username policy while others find the username acceptable. On the whole, though, I think admins are doing a good job issuing blocks only when necessary. We watch each other fairly closely. Have some editors received block when they didn't deserve one? And have some vandals slipped through the cracks? Yes on both counts, but no system is perfect. As for User:ImNotObama, there's a lot to go through, so I'm still sifting through it, but I generally don't deal with sockpuppetry. I'm not a big fan of all the drama that comes with it (and AN and ANI). I'll get back to you on this particular case. Useight (talk) 02:03, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Ban proposal

Fixed here ... this is what you get for making a proposal like that before you go to bed. Blueboy96 20:42, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Bans can always be re-evaluated and lifted. It takes some work to get a ban imposed, from what I've seen — instead of just chronically being a dick, you have to have aggravated it with a good deal of sockpuppetry and/or threatened or harassed other users AND blown a second or third chance. The latter is why I proposed one for Fatal!ty ... I unblocked him after months in the penalty box and what seemed like sincere remorse and a statement from the Checkuser admin who imposed the block that he hadn't created any socks lately, and almost as soon as he was back he went right back to what got him banned.

Yes, younger users can reform. I have unblocked one I'd indefblocked for chronic misbehavior. He seems to have done OK, probably by editing less heavily. Daniel Case (talk) 16:33, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks

		The RfA Barnstar
		Chergles, I would like to thank you for your participation in my recent Request for Adminship, which passed with 112 supports, 4 opposes and 5 neutrals. A special mention goes out to Stwalkerster and Pedro for nominating me, thanks a lot for having trust in me! In response to the neutrals, I will try to double check articles that have been tagged for speedy deletion before I CSD them and will start off slowly with the drama boards of ANI and AN to ensure that I get used to them. In response to the oppose !votes on my RfA, I will check that any images I use meet the non-free content criteria and will attempt to handle any disputes or queries as well as I can. If you need my help at all, feel free to simply ask at my talk page and I'll see if I can help. Once again, thank you for your participation, and have a great day! :) The Helpful One 22:28, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

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Wikisong

Hello Chergles

Nice to meet you

Your are an Wikipedia user

That will always be good

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Re: Boeing 777 FAC

Yes. Longer articles have longer leads, by standard. My request is acceptable per WP:LEAD. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 01:07, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for understanding. Keep in mind that when I opposed, the lead was much shorter. Also, my oppose was based primarily on other things, not just the lead. I'll try to revisit soon. Good luck, –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 01:14, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but I still have concerns with the article, primarily regarding prose. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 19:12, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd be happy to provide some examples when I get a chance. Until then, I've removed my oppose. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 19:17, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Well the 777 article did not pass Feature Article review. Oh well it is in much better shape now than a month ago. Thanks for your work on it. -Fnlayson (talk) 16:21, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

NY 474 GA Review

Did you review the article or not? Please follow the exact directions found at WP:GAN; it is clear that you simply ignored them. --Rschen7754 (T C) 02:09, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry if they are not right. I never reviewed a GA before. Chergles (talk) 17:38, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

GAs

If you are reviewing articles the two pages that are most important to read are Wikipedia:Reviewing good articles and WP:WIAGA. Start with those and if you have further questions get back to me. The article looks to me like it should pass a GA review based on my cursory look. Doesn't Ford motors have a summary template with past leaders or important personalities? If so Alan Mulally should be on the template. If not, one should probably be created or a section should be added to a current template.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:26, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi!

Hi! Yeah, it's interesting how some people end up editing the same subjects :) - Anyhow, I hope to work on adding the school board assignments of areas within Clear Creek ISD to articles about subdivisions and cities within the district. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:38, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

HarleyLocal605

It should be noted that HarleyLocal605 was blocked for 48 hours, and not indefinately. As such, creating a sockpuppet account IMMEDIATELY after being blocked should probably be judged differently than other situations. If this was someone who was blocked indefinately as a vandalism-only account after 5 edits, THEN created a new account and became a productive editor immediately, I would be with you. But this was NOT an editor that was out of options, and this should NOT be adjudged by comparison to other cases. For the record, I have allowed editors who screwed up their first account to continue to edit under a second account when they have shown considerable good behavior under the second account. Each case is taken on its merits, and I do not feel that IMMEDIATELY dodging a short-term block after it has bene placed is a good-faith move. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 02:28, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Citation Study Group

Hello Chergles. I saw your proposal for this at WP:AN. In principle this is a good idea. Probably it should be done with automatic assistance, something like WP:AWB, or one of the link fixer tools. There may be some disagreement as to how retrieved dates should be formatted. The general issue of how to format dates is still having an uproar as you may be able to see at WT:MOSNUM. If something can be worked out that people don't object to, then it's a good thing to do. EdJohnston (talk) 18:27, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Lately I was considering how some of the automated tools might be improved. If you haven't tried out one of these, here is an interesting experiment: In your browser, open up http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/view/Checklinks and enter 'Hadacol' as the name of the article (or, any article of your choice). Other tools by the same author are listed at http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/view/Main_Page. It would be interesting to look at one of the FA candidate articles that you mentioned, to see how automation might help in fixing the references. EdJohnston (talk) 21:27, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

WP:IRE

I saw a comment of yours on the administrator's noticeboard. You might be interested in above discussion that aims to get some solid proposal out with regards to improving references. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:10, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Help

Hi Chergles, thanks for your note. I understand that it's not a laughing matter and I'm sure no one was laughing. Unfortunately, I don't have an open channel of communication with them. Huggle did leave them a vandalism warning though. I shall rectify this now. Scarian^{Call me Pat!} 22:31, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

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		Thanks for your offer to help at User talk:TheSickBehemoth. It is rare to see editors willing to step forward and help others. I just want to you to know that whether the user follows through in accepting your help or not, there is at least someone that appreciated your input. Trusilver 01:24, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

I think I can take a little chance here. Thanks again, very belatedly!

Thank you to all who participated in my RFA- regardless of whether you supported or opposed, all feedback is important to me. I look forward to proving in the coming months that the trust placed in me by the community is not misplaced. Mizu onna sango15

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Merry Christmas!

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		MISTER ALCOHOL T C wishes you a Merry Christmas! Hopefully this one has made your Christmas better. Cheers, and Happy editing! MISTER ALCOHOL T C 05:23, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

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The Good Guy Barnstar

Never seen the Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar? Well, you should give the Kindness Barnstar instead of the good guy barnstar. pedrojoão 17:28, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

IP block exemption

We're still trying to work out what's up with the IP in question, but per WP:EXEMPT I've exempted you from IP blocks, so you should be able to edit now. My apologies for taking so long about this too - David Gerard (talk) 19:07, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Admins

Some admins I know are User:Rlandmann, User:Akradecki, User:MilborneOne, User:MBK004, and User:Mark83. From all I've seen they are fair and honest. If you need some admin help try one of them. -Fnlayson (talk) 00:32, 5 January 2009 (UTC) I thought you were an admin! :p Chergles (talk) 20:56, 5 January 2009 (UTC)