User talk:Celestina007/Archives/2021/June

Just wanted to say...

Just wanted to tell you how excellent this is: Interplay between UPE , Sockpuppetry & Advanced User Rights on your user page, and hope one day you turn it into an essay for the community. UPE's and socks burn up so much of our time and energy in maintaining the integrity of the 'pedia when we could be doing more productive things. I never made the connection with user rights until I read this. Thank you, and hope all is well. Netherzone (talk) 17:16, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Netherzone, All is well, well except for my acromegaly that is, haha, thanks for the kind words and do stay safe, I probably might, at this juncture I’m taking one step at a time. Once again, your kind words are appropriated. Happy weekend amigo! Celestina007 (talk) 17:22, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Celestina007, and you also enjoy the weekend, my fellow editor on another continent! Netherzone (talk) 17:26, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Netherzone, From Nigeria with love. Celestina007 (talk) 19:56, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

I saw in a message below that you are in the hospital. Hope it goes well, and that you have a good recovery. Please don't let wikipedia add stress to your life. When problem editors get me down, I think of it like characters in a situation comedy and that always seems to make me smile. Netherzone (talk) 02:01, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Netherzone, thanks for the kind words NZ. A hobby can’t stress you now can it? It’s an acromegaly related surgery. But oh my! It’s a good feeling to feel this loved. Celestina007 (talk) 08:52, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello

Can you please look into this?.— TheWikiholic (talk) 17:07, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@TheWikiholic, I’m editing from a hospital bed so please bare with me if the replies are slow. Their WiFi is horrible, Okay let’s start, it does appear to be conflict of interest editing, you know how we do it, leave a warning message on the tp of the editor involved, (try and engage them) if they deny it, ask about the image and how it came about to be their “own work” if the answers are improbable or appear to be intentionally deceptive, it implies they aren’t here to build an encyclopedia and are deserving of a block, so what you do next is to take them to the COIBOARD, after which you then go back to the article perform a WP:BEFORE search if the subject is not notable, nominate it for deletion. Furthermore check the article for spam links and remove them. Celestina007 (talk) 17:54, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that you are unwell. I hope you have a speedy recovery and that I hope that Wikipedia didn't add to any stress for you. Best wishes. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:41, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Liz, thanks for the love Liz, It’s no wiki related stress, trust me, what you love can’t really stress you, it’s acromegaly related. Celestina007 (talk) 08:49, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Random

Hi, what's your take on the current happening in the South Eastern part of Nigeria especially with respect to the president's recent announcement? Stormy Chamber (talk) 21:26, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Stormy Chamber, Marvel, I consider them incendiary, Unbecoming of the traits of any Leader, I honestly can’t be bothered about Nigeria, the country is headed towards a civil war and if it does come to that I honestly would move to Utah. “The south easterners would soon receive the shock of their lives”, what sort of president says such? the country is going into a civil war before 2024 & Mi o raye oshi, I’m definitely moving out. Celestina007 (talk) 21:43, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for responding, nice to hear from you again. A great thing you have options. To be clear, I think the statement was "Whoever wants the destruction of the system will soon have the shock of their lives".

Yup! I vaguely remember it was something along those lines, all the same, a rather morbid statement from a president. Paul said it best , “I have faith, but I have a plan B” Celestina007 (talk) 22:08, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Request: Argument for non-deletion/ Inkxpert

Most of the sources mentioned in the reference links section are notable (if you find any reference non-notable, you can edit the article and remove the link), and Inkxpert is a notable organization.

You can also check the below notable links: https://www.linkedin.com/company/inkxpert-inc, https://www.facebook.com/inkxpertinc, https://www.instagram.com/inkxpertofficial/

I request you to remove the deletion tag from the Inkxpert page.

Hello, all the sources you listed are the quintessential examples of the inverse of reliable sources. Please read WP:RS to understand what a reliable source is. Celestina007 (talk) 19:22, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

I have made adjustments as recommended to the Draft:Sanusi Mohammed Ohiare

Hello Celestina007, thank you once again for your comment and recommendation on the Draft:Sanusi Mohammed Ohiare, I have made the adjustments for your attention please. Awaiting your prompt action as usual. Regards. Bibihans (talk) 22:11, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

@Bibihans,  Done Congratulations Bibihans, Although the “Association membership” section of the article still needs a revamp. Celestina007 (talk) 12:28, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Quick Thank You

Hello,

I appreciate your help in letting me know how to use talk page and reaching out to editors. My experience so far on Wikipedia has, honestly, mostly not been good and I have appreciated the handful of editors that have reached out, given a good explanation, a suggestion for help, and not acted inappropriately. I wanted to let you know that you have been proper, respectful, and helpful during my time here. I am still a bit on the fence as to how much longer I will continue being an editor (due to some bad experiences and lack of accountability by some other editors) and I wanted to use this time before things possibly get hectic to reach out and say thank you :) PS: Apologies if this is a bit long but wanted to give a proper thank you and some context. Take care! Updatewithfacts (talk) 22:46, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

@Updatewithfacts, it’s no worry, I appreciate the kind words, editing here can be stressful but if you can find a particular area that interests you, I implore you to please stay, if in doubt i am always here to answer your questions. Celestina007 (talk) 23:22, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

notability ?

What's your opinion of the notability for Evannie Isioma Patrick and Ogenna Ekwubiri] ? You know the reliability of sources in this field better than I, but my first instinct would be to question the articles on grounds of both notability and promotionalism . DGG ( talk ) 04:35, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

@DGG, both appear to be non notable but have a mirage of notability if you don’t pedantically look into them. The first article mirrors the second article. In Evannie Isioma Patrick the first source used appears to be the only reliable source and reliable piece used throughout the article. The other 8 sources used are reliable sources but most definitely not reliable pieces, most of them do not have a byline, which is indicative of a guest editor. The same applies for Ogenna Ekwubiri. They are both WP:ADMASQ's and I would classify both articles as possible undisclosed Paid editing. I am troubled that the user possesses Autopatrol and could be engaging in covert UPE. Celestina007 (talk) 11:05, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for your integrity!

		The Barnstar of Integrity
		For your excellent essays, especially: WP:CONNECTTHEDOTS. Thank you for all you do to maintain the integrity of the encyclopedia! Netherzone (talk) 16:08, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

@Netherzone, thanks mate, I appreciate. Celestina007 (talk) 16:45, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

sharing experiences

What do you think are the proportion of UPE we are missing these days? . My impression is that we missed a great many in the first 5 years of the project, judging by what I found when I joined, and it has decreased since; but it is difficult to distinguish the true UPEs from the coi editors working without monetary payment, and also to distinguish both of them from the good faith editors who write in a promotional style because that's what they see here--and that's what they've seen in media generally, as the world is permeated by advertising.

I'm concerned about the ones we keep because we don't notice or don't catch; but I am even more concerned with the ones we do catch, but where people here insist on keeping the articles--and keeping the promotionalism. In some fields it is almost impossible to get promotional articles deleted at afd: the overlapping categories of entertainment generally, internet celebrities, and "influencers"; popular eating places and other venues; charitable endeavors and vogue products and firms, and attractive people with minor accomplishments. A few years ago I would have aded, articles from editathons without adequate control, but those running the sessions are now more careful. I would also have added editing projects to fill major gaps, but these projects too are gradually improving in quality, though some still work from lists of people many of whom might not be notable .

Our attempt to decrease promotionalism of companies by using the current much stricter NCORP has generally worked, but it has had the side effect of making it harder to include actually important firms in fields whee there is little attention from the public.

I don't know any good technique for handling these. The only thing that sometimes works is to go back again a year or two later when sometimes interest has decreased, so they are at least not kept permanently. I like others have lists, butt hey've been swamped by trying to deal also with the many nely incoming drafts and articles. My current method to avoid feeling personally frustrated, is to simply ignore the worst of the fields. DGG ( talk ) 17:28, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

@DGG, I was initially going to say the amount of UPE we miss is directly proportional to the ones we catch, but no, we miss a whole lot of undisclosed paid editing and the Autopatrol rights have made a tangible number of UPE go undetected for several years. Save for you and others who patrol the work of editors with Autopatrol, the collaborative project would be inundated with UPE articles, ironically as opposed to helping in NPP, Autopatrol is actually doing the inverse, at least that is the truth for African bad faith editors who often do everything they can in order to get this perm after which they begin perpetuating UPE. I don’t appreciate the concept of editathons or any form of competition that brings in new editors or make them create articles, chiefly because AFAIK (In Nigeria) It is just an excuse for banned/blocked editors to return, UPE be perpetuated and a whole load of mess left for new page reviewers to clean up after. Not to sound harsh, but I believe the community inadvertently encourages undisclosed paid editing, by AGF when it’s crystal clear when something is totally off. So are we missing or failing to catch UPE? Yes! by what proportion? A very large proportion. Celestina007 (talk) 18:07, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

I will withdraw autopatrolled from anyone abusing it. No UPE should have that right and probably no declared PE either. But it is not necessary to show someone definitely to be a paid editor in warrant removing the right; an editor who introduces a substantial number of low quality articles should not have autopatrolled. So there's no real need to challenge editors if they deny being a UPE--we can judge by the articles. For the ed. in qy, where the right has already be removed and added more than once, I'm looking to see what articles would be kept by AfD, in order to justify the removal if challenged. Meanwhile, if you have actual proof of UPE, email it to me. I'm a checkuser, but that rarely helps. DGG ( talk ) 23:47, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

@DGG, Although a relatively arduous task, I shall commence the search, and send a mail at the appropriate time. Celestina007 (talk) 00:17, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Ya think?

I am in complete agreement w/re: Special:Diff/1027061008. Irrelevant, obtuse, counterproductive? Yep, all of those. —valereee (talk) 22:52, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Its inane, i find it counter intuitive and productive, like if you don’t really have anything tangible to say or voice out, then just zip it. Celestina007 (talk) 23:34, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Mischievous

Hey. You are not the first person by any means to call me that, and I gladly accept it as a compliment. :) Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:55, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

@Alexandermcnabb, oh no, I didn’t mean that in a bad way, In-fact, thanks for bringing the AFD to my notice, I meant it in a “I see what you did there” manner and I’m sorry if it came off as something other than that. Celestina007 (talk) 16:52, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

It didn't! We're good. :) Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:58, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

@Alexandermcnabb, you actually did the collaborative project a huge favor go to the tp of Nnadigoodluck, I have been unearthing several undisclosed paid editing, I just unearthed this Godspower Oshodin this morning, I unearthed about four last night. Celestina007 (talk) 12:31, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

I did, I noted the conversation you were having there with them. It looked like a pattern of longstanding, relentless UPE, which is why I invoked the Fell Spirit Celestina!!! :) Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:07, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

@Alexandermcnabb, there are still more to unearth, using Xtools It precisely shows almost all article's they created towards late December 2020 were all UPE, the Green October Event, Green October Event 2016, and all in that series, all of them, none of them pass WP:EVENT. Celestina007 (talk) 14:17, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

@Alexandermcnabb, I just unearthed this: La Mode Magazine, I was thinking of insisting on removal of their Autopatrol and NPP rights indefinitely but i think an indefinite block on them is the only way out at this juncture. They have virtually created spam after spam after spam and done so blatantly and with impunity. Your ping just saved the integrity of Wikipedia. Celestina007 (talk) 14:44, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Maybe ANI is the place to go and get 'em all nuked? Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:45, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

@Alexandermcnabb, i have yet unearthed more: Olakunle Jamiu Azeez, between ANI and COIN, I think I should probably go with ANI as you suggested, but an RFA is ongoing and that is my major problem, you know how our community obsesses about RFA's and pay little attention to other things. Anyway i am going to be unearthing more of their covert UPE tonight but it’s an arduous task as they mix spam with good work and productive work. Celestina007 (talk) 20:35, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007: this might be - further - food for thought; one week after the suspected UPD editor created Draft:Krystal Okeke, this article was published, which states that the Wikipedia page was set up by a PR firm called Amity Global Network. At the time of the linked article's publication, User:Nnadigoodluck (pinging for comment if they choose) was the only editor to have edited the article. In addition, it seems that Alex Nwankwo (whose Wiki article was created by the same editor) is the CEO of Amity Global Network. Some thorough explanation or sanction is needed. SamHolt6 (talk) 02:21, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

@SamHolt6, exactly, that was the major reason I opened this at ANI, i have requested that both Autopatrol and NPR be removed from their perms. I don’t envisage them saying anything as they have been nabbed red handed in undisclosed paid editing. In sincerity, all thanks to both DGG & Alexandermcnabb for bringing this to my notice. Celestina007 (talk) 02:36, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

@DGG, played a very pivotal role here worthy of praise, if they weren’t one of the view sysops that patrol the article creations of editors with Autopatrol rights, I may have never nabbed Nnadigoodluck and their incessant UPE articles. I am also trying to propose an indefinite block on Nnadigoodluck, but would wait and see how ANI plays out. Celestina007 (talk) 02:41, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

• I think Bradv said it best, whilst I can’t remember word for word what they said, i vaguely remember it to be along the lines of “if you don’t have cogent evidence to indict an editor in UPE, you can nominate for deletion all articles of theirs that have tale signs of UPE by that you drive them out of business” I have abided by that and as of now I have nominated two-third of their shady looking articles for deletion. Even better is as of now, I now have proof and have included it my report against them at ANI. Celestina007 (talk) 02:58, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
• Their only luck is that my report coincides with two RFA's open so the community is as usual pillorying RFA candidates, but in any case an eventuality is an eventuality. We have tolerated their UPE long enough. Celestina007 (talk) 04:33, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar

Hi, i just rode your dialouge in the teahouse about the time someone has to wait for his article to be reviewed. Could you do me the favour and review my article as well? I don't have to match any deadline or something, its just that I'm working on this article quite a while now and i would be happy when its launched. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:European_Jewish_Community_Center_/_EJCC Leonard Winder (talk) 14:11, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

for starters it appears you haven’t even submitted the draft for review, secondly I do not do reviews on request except it’s an exceptional circumstance, I’m afraid I can’t be of help to you but there are other editors who are open to this and would be willing to assist you. You may continue to seek guidance at the WP:TEAHOUSE or at the WP:HELPDESK. Celestina007 (talk) 00:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	For all the help and advice on recent sock-related events. Maybe a more subtle approach is for the best, instead of my kick the door down and ask questions later technique! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:34, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@Lugnuts, Aye! You are far too kind. Celestina007 (talk) 17:58, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

No problem. I see while I've been having the luxury of sleep, you've had a chance to sample the delights of the drama board! Never a dull day in Wiki-land. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:40, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

@Lugnuts, it’s way too funny, I have an editor extremely vexed at me because I caught them engaging in UPE. In any case they have been handed a block for a week. Celestina007 (talk) 07:45, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Discussion on Shyam Metallics page removal

What did you find wrong in that article? If you think there is any correction required you could have corrected it then and there only... BNJ Nilam (talk) 21:57, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

@BNJ Nilam, hello there, it met WP:DRAFTIFY. You probably have already read WP:YFA but re-reading it even if it isn’t your first article is a great idea. You could take a look at WP:CITE and WP:REFB also when you aren’t too busy. Celestina007 (talk)

Tilottoma Bangla Group

Hi dear the page is legit the comapny opened by the Toto_Ltd. You can see their announce on their official site https://asia.toto.com/company-news/in-bangladesh-toto-showroom-opening-in-bangladesh-tilottoma/

Also, you can see reailble sources on the Tilottoma Bangla Group pages. I hope you will approve the page and remove the delation tag. Thanks for your pleasure.

Asides the possible conflict of interest editing here, that is not how notability works here, an article's subject is notable based on their own merit and not their proximity to a notable entity, for example, in this case this organization should satisfy NCORP. Celestina007 (talk) 20:51, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, i've added some more info and sources, Will it apporove it now? I'm worry about the delation tag. How many days it takes to check? Please let me know. Thanks.

A cup of coffee for you!

Thanks for your regular patrol of new articles and fair assessments of companies and products. Blue Rasberry (talk) 00:05, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

@Bluerasberry, thanks blue. I appreciate this. Celestina007 (talk) 10:20, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Unresolved issues at ANI

Hi. Please see this thread at ANI that you have been involved in. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:45, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@Lugnuts, I feel the problem is editors are quite conservative about initiating a formal proposal, I see the concerns raised as valid, sound and very much imperative. Celestina007 (talk) 21:03, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Celestina007. Hope you are well. Girth Summit has written a very good proposal in the thread. If you have time, I'd be grateful if you could please take a look and comment. Thank you. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 18:42, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Lugnuts, As mentioned there, I would have supported a proposal for an indef block. There is no justification for an established editor participating in conflict of interest editing (without disclosing it) if it were a long time ago and is now moot I’m willing to overlook, but what I won’t permit is being an established editor and still actively participating in COI, that is bad faith editing. The problem is, I think established editors get way too comfortable and believe they have leeway to do whatever it is they want to do. Celestina007 (talk) 17:52, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

New Article:

Hi Cele! I just got this, Andrew Nkom, written. Could you please help me out with a review? Thanks! Kambai Akau (talk) 20:28, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Kambai Akau,  Done, but you need to beef up the sources a little bit. You are aware you could also use WP:OFFLINE sources right? If you can not find something online going offline to find sources is a great idea as well. Celestina007 (talk) 21:34, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007: -- Thanks for the review, mate! I will endeavor to do so. I really appreciate. Kambai Akau (talk) 21:40, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

@Kambai Akau, Aye! anytime mate. Celestina007 (talk) 21:42, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Celestina007 -- ✌🏽👍🏽 Kambai Akau (talk) 21:45, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

painful lessons I've learned the hard way

I felt like in addition to my comments at MFD I should say something here. I realize this all came out of nowhere and may have felt a little like an attack on you, and it that's the case I apologize. I saw your cites to these essays at ANI but didn't know what they meant, so I read them both and was a little alarmed at the underlying attitude.

I've been there, way back I was a vandal fighter, spending hours a day engaging with some of the most obnoxious people to ever edit here. Doing nothing but "busting the bad people" can lead a person to see bad intentions everywhere, and to overreact or even become obsessive. This mindset cost me my first RFA. In my quest to thwart a prolific vandal (literally hundreds, maybe thousands, of sock accounts, on a new IP every few hours, playing weird head games like reporting his own socks, that sort of thing) I got a little overheated and said and did some intemperate things that are not desirable from an administrator, or anyone else really. And I reverted and reported for vandalism a total good faith editor because what they were doing kind of looked like what a then-prolific page-move vandal would do. They were very understanding when I explained myself, they knew exactly what I wrongly thought was going on, but it was an embarrassing experience. I did learn from both things though, knowing when to let a thing be somebody else's problem is a tricky skill to get right, but I keep trying.

I guess my overall point is that while we all feel that UPE is a looming existential threat to Wikipedia, it's also good to find other things to do, and to pass cases on to others once you've gone a few rounds with with them. This keeps it from getting too personal, and helps keep Wikipedia from becoming something stressful instead of an enjoyable hobby. Just some free advice to take or leave as you please. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:28, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Beeblebrox, I personally detest ANI's and the unnecessary drama that is concomitant with that venue. The three things I love doing are new page reviewing, creating articles (on occultists) this is me three days ago & Teahouse hosting. Catching upe is one of those things that sometimes accompany new page reviewing, sometimes I merely overlook and leave a warning but when the same individual has done so over and over again I feel responsible to speak out. I do not feel like you attacked me, We have mutual respect for each other so I know you acted in good faith and spoke your truth, I have respect for a man/woman who has integrity, are diligent and stand by/for what they believe in. Celestina007 (talk) 22:08, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Beeblebrox, lest I forget, I love me some AFC reviewing as well. I know you are merely looking out for me, indeed I understand you. My job which offers me good pay keeps me in Nigeria if not, I’ve been thinking of relocating to Canada or rejoining my extended family in Utah, each day I remain in Nigeria, my very own well being is threatened. Celestina007 (talk) 23:18, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

I need your assistance

Hello ma! Celestina007 Please I need your assistance on this page Draft: Unlimited L.A the page was reviewed by you but some certain admin moved it to draft, after some check, I found out they’re not Nigerians and hard to know who’s notable and who’s not, so I think you’re the only admin close to Nigeria and can make decision, the subject is very well notable as a music director, won many prestigious awards and nominations in the space. Best regards! Deplug1 (talk) 15:36, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@Deplug1, I am no admin, and yes the subject of the article is indeed notable. I think it’s best you talk them, the article is okay but they may be hinting at something else. This was the comment they left, with that diff you may approach them and initiate a dialogue, I’m sure you both could meet halfway. Celestina007 (talk) 17:57, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

For taking the words today just right out of my mouth... CommanderWaterford (talk) 21:44, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

@CommanderWaterford,I admit my bias towards @Johnpacklambert & would almost always support and stand by him no matter what they claim he has done, but it is appalling the manner in which he is treated. I don’t know why he is being subjected to such ridicule every year, someone even went as far as bringing up the fact that he is autistic, I suffer from aggressive acromegaly(gigantism) I grow tall rapidly and I hope someone won’t use that against me in future. Celestina007 (talk)|

I think I found the one

Venkanna H. Naik. Show me, my Merlin ! Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 17:50, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad, Whilst I have offered to teach you the basics on nabbing upe I do not want UPE to be the first thing you look for in articles. That article doesn’t appear to be UPE it does seem like a lot of WP:OR was used since most of the claims weren’t substantiated with the two sources they used. A WP:COI is theoretically possible, but that would be a bit of a stretch. Celestina007 (talk) 18:09, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Dear Celestina007, I am sorry if this was preposterous. I didn't indicate that it has UPE but that it has COI. The first source is a book [1] that has passing mentions of the subject. The second source leads to another wiki page Sannappa Parameshwar Gaonkar which doesn't mention the subject. The kind of details provided in the article are only possible if the subject and creator are connected and there is an exchange of information. And hence, I felt there is a COI and brought it to your notice. I read WP:OR and that doesn't seem to be the case to me. Phrases like Naik died at the young age of 50 in Bijapur. In remembrance, after his death, people of Bijpur district built his statue in downtown of Bijapur city also sort of give it away. The statue would of course be built by influential family left behind but writing it in this way indicates that this is promotional. But, I have made a note to not look for WP:UPE as first thing to look in all articles. Thanks for your time and patience with me. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 10:06, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad, glad I could be of service. Celestina007 (talk) 15:08, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

You've got mail: Sbm intelligence

Hi Celestina. I am writing about an article you marked for speedy deletion. I am someone with a keen interest in Nigeria, and I consult for various non-governmental organisations there. You might be aware of a government push to censor free speech in that country which has resulted in a ban on Twitter there. Following this, a colleague of mine asked me to create an article for SBM Intelligence, an organisation which provides data for most of Nigeria's umbrella NGOs. I gladly obliged because having once lived under a dictator, I understand what the Nigerians are going through and will do all I can to help. If you believe my article is promotional, I would be grateful if you could help edit it to meet the criteria.

@OskarJacobsen, I understand, but there are too many concerns with the article for it to remain on mainspace. notability and promotional concerns to be specific. It’s a good idea to read WP:NPOV and WP:LARD and remove promotional wordings and statements used throughout the article. Notability is also a concern here. Have you seen WP:NCORP? or WP:NGO? do so if you haven’t. When you have attended to the aforementioned concerns submitting the article via WP:AFC is a good idea. Celestina007 (talk) 10:18, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007, I am told that the article needs more verifiable sources. All the sources cited in the article are well known Nigerian and international newspapers. As far as I understand, BBC, Premium Times, New York Times, Wall Street Journal and Reuters have nothing to do with the subject of the article. I have read up on NPOV and LARD as suggested and made ajustments. Please help review and move back to main page.

OskarJacobsen, no where does it state or do i say that the sources have anything to do with the subject of the article I’m confused why you bring that up. If you have resolved the problems all you have to do is submit it for review. Take a look at top of the article and you’d observe a button that says “Submit for review” click on it and having done so, you relax and let the community handle the rest. Celestina007 (talk) 10:35, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007, pardon me, English is my third language so some things get missing sometimes. You said the article was not neutral so I was trying to explain that all the sources were neutral and verifiable. Thanks.

@OskarJacobsen, oh okay. Allow me explain then, the sources used in the article and the manner in which a given editor writes a particular article, aren’t one and the same thing. So what is/was being made reference to here was how the article was written not that the sources are promotional sources. I hope I have been clear enough. Celestina007 (talk) 11:03, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007, thank you for the explanation. I will work at it and submit.

A cup of tea for you!

To refresh you after all the exhausting work you do. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:22, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

@Nomadicghumakkad, Thanks, I really needed that “cup of tea” 😊. Celestina007 (talk) 16:30, 25 June 2021 (UTC)