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Your submission at Articles for creation: Bezau Business Schools (August 1)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Pbrks were:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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AfC notification: Draft:Bezau Business Schools has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Bezau Business Schools. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 09:47, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Theroadislong, just added some additional sources and hope it is fine now. Best Byteutates (talk) 10:07, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Bezau Business Schools (August 1)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by DoubleGrazing were:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Notability per WP:GNG / WP:ORGCRIT requires significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable secondary sources. Only one such source is cited (VOL.AT), which alone isn't enough. Also, the majority of the content is unsupported by referencing. Please ensure that every material statement is referenced to a reliable source.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:16, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, Byteutates. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Draft:Bezau Business Schools, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{request edit}} template);
disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI);
avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam#External link spamming);
do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thx. Hope with all those (secondary) references it is finally fine now? If not: please tell me what is in your view missing. Best Byteutates (talk) 11:49, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I still don't see more than the one secondary source, which was already in there. Would you like me to decline this again, or do you prefer another reviewer to assess it instead?

I also note that you didn't comment on the conflict of interest (COI) query in any way. Please do so now. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:18, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but i simply can not understand what you write. You see no other source than vol.at? What about the others, like bezau.at, gascht.at, bregenzerwald-news.at, cms.werkraum.at, ausbildungskompass.at? You do not see them? I ask you again: what kind of source and how many you need additionally, that you are satisfied (bws.ac.at is a primary source, which is also given - next to others)? I want to stress again, that this is a school, no company or something and the primary sources are there as well. I mean really, what are you concernt about? That the school does not exist or where is the problem? It is a simple page, with some information about it - nothing more. Byteutates (talk) 16:39, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In the Wikimedia Terms the following is stated:

As part of these obligations, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation.

As I am not compensated for this page, I have nothing to disclose. It is that simple. I would like to know, how you deduce, that it is otherwise. Byteutates (talk) 17:22, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if you actually understand the concept of 'secondary sources'. I'm not saying I don't see any other sources than VOL.AT. I'm saying that is the only secondary source I'm seeing.

It doesn't matter in the slightest whether this is a school or something else. It still needs to meet the notability criteria for organisations, as laid out in WP:ORGCRIT.

As for your possible COI, I'm not 'deducing' anything, or accusing you of anything; I'm merely asking you to disclose any conflict you may have. You appear to have created two articles, both on this school, one at dewiki and the other at enwiki. It's not unreasonably to think you may have some connection with the school. If you don't, that's fine, as long as you state that.

Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:41, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Source: I guess you are not checking the latest version of the page and that is why you do not see the other sources I mentioned? Please check the version from 12 o'clock - thank you. There you find the references I mentioned.

@COI: already wrote about it in my last comment. Seems not to be enough. On the draft page is now this: A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. Please discuss further on the talk page. (August 2022) How about that: I am totally fine, if somebody else will check the page and I am looking forward to learn, which information are not neutral!

@Other solution: is there a way to delete the page to handle it this way, if the sources provided are still not enough and coi is still an issue? Sorry, but I can handle it, if this page does not go online, but I do not want to spend too much more time in discussing this issues here.

In a way I can understand your point of view and it is good to be precise, but for me you go way too far, as it would be a simple page about a school and nothing more with some basic information. I gain not even 1 Euro-Cent if this page goes online, but I already spend a lot of time, so if it is not possible to publish this page - is there a way to delete it and end it this way? Byteutates (talk) 18:02, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I can't actually read any of the cited sources, but the important thing to remember for sources on Wikipedia is that to establish notability by our standards the articles must be written by people who are not connected to the subject of the article. That means nothing the subject has published, nothing that anyone associated with the subject has published, no interviews, etc.DoubleGrazing is saying that only that one source isn't somehow connected to the subject. SamStrongTalks (talk) 18:08, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

e/c Yes you can simply blank the page and it will be tagged for deletion. Theroadislong (talk) 18:11, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Now you (Theroadislong) reverted the page Bezau?

If you check the independent sources given here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Bezau_Business_Schools&oldid=1101709116

you find that you reverted the page to false information. But ok, it is as it is. If Wiki wants to have wrong information, I am fine with it. Last comment on this: check the school page, check the references etc. - and you would see that the changes I made on the page Bezau are correct. Byteutates (talk) 18:17, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, just did it. Hope we are done here. Best Byteutates (talk) 18:21, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you SamStrongTalks.

You may find the references here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Bezau_Business_Schools&oldid=1101709116

The references are from independent sources. I can not understand, how DoubleGrazing thinks, that the sources, which are given, are connected to the other sources. There is nothing more I can do here and I am fine, if the page is deleted, as I do not want to spend more time on this. Byteutates (talk) 18:13, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Bezau Business Schools (August 1)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Theroadislong was:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

The comment the reviewer left was:

just advertising.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Theroadislong (talk) 16:46, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Paid editing

As previously advised, your edits give the impression you have a financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. You were asked to cease editing until you responded by either stating that you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits, or by complying with the mandatory requirements under the Wikimedia Terms of Use that you disclose your employer, client and affiliation. Again, you can post such a disclosure on your user page at User:Byteutates, and the template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Byteutates|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. Please respond before making any other edits to Wikipedia. Theroadislong (talk) 16:48, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Theroadislong, I have no financial interest in this page and I am not compensated in any way, but give up as it seems impossible to post a simple page about a school with some basic information. I want to stress: this page already exists in the German-Wiki and is more or less just a translation (shortened history-section and as I was asked with additionall (secondary) sources). Several people worked on the German-page as you can easily see. If you would simply read the text you would see as well, that there are just some basic information about the school, about the history, the different headmasters over time etc. So this is advertisement?

I was advised to give secondary sources, which I have done, but it seems still not enough to have several secondary sources and now you seem to search for new reasons to decline it? Byteutates (talk) 17:01, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In the Wikimedia Terms the following is stated:

As part of these obligations, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation.

As I am not compensated for this page, I have nothing to disclose. It is that simple. I would like to know, how you deduce, that it is otherwise.

References are given for the content of the page. Where is the problem? Byteutates (talk) 17:19, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia: check out the Teahouse!

Hello! Byteutates, you are invited to the Teahouse, a forum on Wikipedia for new editors to ask questions about editing Wikipedia, and get support from peers and experienced editors. Please join us! Theroadislong (talk) 20:08, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. That is probably the better place to discuss this things ;-) Anyway, in the moment I am really not looking forward to contribute more to Wiki due to the experience I made today ;-) Hope you can - even tough you may not share my view - understand it. Will check out Teahouse, if new problems come up. Best Byteutates (talk) 20:13, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]