User talk:Borgenland/Archive 2

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2011 Ohio explosion incident

I was on the fence about adding the 2011 incident to List of explosions because of the lack of injuries and deaths and no standalone article, but there were also a significant number of structures affected, more than in some other entries — I know that this invokes WP:OTHERCONTENT but the parameters for the list are vague. See also the notability discussion that I started right after the incident. Mapsax (talk) 22:00, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I think your argument is good for the history of that town, as someone who also contributes in local history articles, but as for the explosions list, I do have doubts over its notability in a longer-term article especially due to relative weight of details. I previously made a WP:BOLD purge of non-notables based on similar criteria that you acknowledged because the article was bloated at the time. Honestly since you have been kind enough to raise these concerns to me I do not have the mood to risk going into an edit war over this, but I do have to notify you in advance that this entry would probably be reverted if the page gets bloated again in the future. Borgenland (talk) 01:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

There wouldn't be an edit war since I never reinstated that entry (and I try avoid those, as I should).

I note that you've done some edits lately purging entries with fewer than 5 deaths. While that's a bit arbitrary, it would be a good start for a parameter, with consensus of course. Mapsax (talk) 00:28, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Will open one then. Borgenland (talk) 14:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Wait, there was already a discussion but it was open-ended. Apparently I was the last to comment. Borgenland (talk) 14:31, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

So I see. You know, reading through that, I found that the incident in question is in fact listed on List of pipeline accidents in the United States in 2011, so I suppose that that will suffice. Mapsax (talk) 00:54, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Magomed Omarov

Hello, I hope an article can be created about this public figure Magomed Omarov (Russian politician) since I understand that he was arrested for his involvement in the recent attacks and will subsequently be not prosecuted but executed by the Kremlin under the precept of "Russian treason" would work a lot for American politics to create an article for it. User.shanie6 (talk) 18:06, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Kenya finance bill protests

I know you are of interest. You are welcomed to help in improving the article. Wår (talk) 06:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Made copy-editing for that. Mostly focused on 2024 Parliament of Kenya attack‎. Borgenland (talk) 07:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

That was great. I saw it then. Thank you. Wår (talk) 09:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

[AfC] Bini - Karera

Hello! I'm currently working on a new article for Bini's song "Karera" as it is listed under Tambayan's articles for creation. While working on the infobox song template for the song, I got confused by some of the parameters (genre, songwriter/writer, composer, and lyricist in particular). The song was composed by three people from FlipMusic, but Bini members Colet, Mikha, and Stacey wrote the rap parts of the song. I'm currently stuck on whether I should include the three group members in the composer parameter of the infobox or have them in the lyricist parameter. For the genre part, I know that the song is a pop song, but I'm also thinking about whether the song has other specific genres. Could you please share your thoughts on this, to help clarify some confusion? AstrooKai (talk) 12:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

When it comes to music I’m more of a national anthems person (lyrics and music only), with rap as my greatest enemy. But given my understanding of things the BINIs are better placed in lyrics. As for other categories rap is under WikiProject Hip hop. Borgenland (talk) 13:46, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I see. I'll also ask other users to see their feedback, thank you. AstrooKai (talk) 15:58, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

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Revdel suggestion

You claimed that Valenzuela400's edit contained a copyvio, and you have reverted/modified the edit. Have you asked on some discussion area to suppress or hide the revision (revision deletion) made by Valenzuela400? JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 00:10, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello! I had just run the test and found that there were possible copyvios (45.7%) but apparently of another source. But since the edits appeared to have been made over a long time I am no longer sure which revision to start with. Borgenland (talk) 01:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Just warned them off about their editorializing. See this other example also that was called out by another editor: [1]. Borgenland (talk) 08:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello Borgenland. On top of that, Valenzuela400's contributions remind me of a concern by Explicit that they posted on my talk page at Commons. I already posted a similar concern at the meta talk page of User:Just Step Sideways, but so far they haven't responded. ICYDK, Judgefloro (talk · contribs) was a highly prolific Filipino contributor at Commons, but was blocked due to continued uploading of copyrighted public buildings and monuments of the Philippines as well as near-duplicate files that are possibly not aligning to the project scope. This is in addition to his act of resorting to socks to continue their uploads there between 2021 and 2023 (like c:User:JFVelasquez Floro and c:User:Beeveevee). JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 11:48, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

My impression of them was that they were merely challenged as regards to copying material from articles and WP:NEWSPAPER issues. They had pledged not to repeat again after warning but some aspects of problematic editing remain, particularly WP:QUOTEFARM in Arnolfo Teves Jr. and WP:NEWSPAPER (personally peeved in in inserting "person said" at the end of quotes). Borgenland (talk) 12:06, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Regarding the WP:NEWSPAPER issue, they made some edit at Manila Bulletin over the issue being faced by the broadsheet publication's noted I.T./cybersecurity contributor. I suspect his composition of the section may not be encyclopedic in tone. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 13:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree it is disproportionate and WP:UNDUE for the mother article. Borgenland (talk) 13:18, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Did Valenzuela400's edit for the Manila Bulletin article fixed the issue, or not? JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 13:16, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

They just split the issue into two disjointed ends of the section. I think it should still be reduced to just one paragraph. Still suspicious about copyvio and WP:NEWSPAPER about the use of the word Mr. to refer to Samaniego. I think offending user needs to be told off on when to use a personal title. Borgenland (talk) 13:52, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@Borgenland I reverted it. Creating a new problem is not a solution so it must be reverted. His contribution at the article should be checked by other editors. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 22:36, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I gutted it further. It is becoming apparent that the offending user does not know how to distinguish between a newspaper article, a press release, and an encyclopedic article. Borgenland (talk) 15:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Brilliant work

Fabulous work on the UK general election page, you kept the whole thing well linked! No Swan So Fine (talk) 10:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! My apologies also for the disambiguations, I was rushing to tally the early-morning surge. 10:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC) Borgenland (talk) 10:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

[Bini] WP:NEWSPAPER content

Hello, @Borgenland. This is regarding your recently opened topic about potential WP:NEWSPAPER content in the Bini (group) article. Can you please explain what kind of revisions can be made to address this issue? So that I can familiarize myself with the procedures and contribute when possible. Thanks! AstrooKai │ Talk 08:18, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

There is content that should look less like it was taken from a newspaper. While under normal circumstances this applies to copyvios, in the case of Bini it is kind of formatted similarly like a series of collated news reports with tons of redundant items. For example at one point Cherry on Top was described three times as their upcoming pre-debut single in one chapter alone. What I propose to do is to reduce the number of instances to make the article more readable. Borgenland (talk) 09:30, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Okay. I'll try rephrasing the texts and see if it helps in aiding the issue. AstrooKai │ Talk 10:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

2024 Iranian presidential elections

Your reactions to the IP editor seem to be unduly harsh , WP:DONTBITE. They clearly do not know much about wikipedia (as evidenced by the fact they said "im american" when the IP tool easily shows their in Iran) and their edits seem to be done in good faith AlexBobCharles (talk) 14:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Apologies. When I first saw the IP's edits I suspected it was a sock of Baratiiman given their similar incoherent grasp of English. Then when said editor made false and racist aspersions as to my identity I totally lost faith. Finally the fact that they deliberately misspelled my name in the last edit reminds of an infamous sock of @/DirceuMag who was banned for POV pushing and WP:SOAPBOXING in previous election articles and who had a habit of deliberately misspelling my name and making long rambling edit summaries similar to the IP, in addition to falsely claiming questionable and partisan sources to be official. Borgenland (talk) 15:11, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for 2024 Iranian presidential election

On 11 July 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article 2024 Iranian presidential election, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Spencer^T•C 02:58, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Bini: Citation correction

Hello! I just want to inform you that I have corrected your recent edits on Bini (group) and Biniverse: The First Solo Concert, particularly the "diversify ref" edits. The citations were not formatted correctly, so I have converted them. You can see the difference here:

• Bini (group)
• Biniverse: The First Solo Concert

If this is a mistake, feel free to let me know. Thanks! AstrooKai │ Talk 07:06, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! For proper explanation I was trying to find independent sources aside from Bini’s home network. Borgenland (talk) 07:10, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Understandable, I'm glad to hear that. I was also planning on doing the same thing as I think that the articles are a bit more reliable on the publications by the home network, though there are some circumstances where only the home network covers certain topic. But thank you for that. AstrooKai │ Talk 07:14, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello! Just added extra authors to CDN as it was not immediately visible on the website itself. Borgenland (talk) 15:01, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi! Yes, I have seen them in my watchlist. Thanks for adding them! AstrooKai │ Talk 15:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		This is for your tireless contributions for more than two years. Pachu Kannan (talk) 15:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Eva Lasting

Hello. On the page Eva Lasting you said that you added the Update template to the cast list because there are names missing from season 2. My question to you is: if you know that names are missing from the list then why not add them yourself instead of using the Update template. I have not seen the season so I am unable to know if new cast members joined the series and the reference I added about the season 2 date doesn’t mention new cast members [2]. Telenovelafan215 (talk) 17:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Apologies but I haven’t had the time to read through the credits and edit heavily on the page due to prior commitments. And to prove in good faith that such new characters exist and at the risk of spoiling the plot there is Jose’s mother, former lover, and love child for example. Borgenland (talk) 17:10, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

ITN recognition for 2024 Rwandan general election

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2024 Ankola (Karnataka) landslide

Hello Borgenland. Can you help to improve this article. Pachu Kannan (talk) 15:38, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. In the meantime, the rescue section has to be fixed because the bulletin is making the article WP:NOTNEWS. Further, you need a consensus as to what to properly name this thing as the current title is too convoluted. I have also added the necessary projects for others to help. Borgenland (talk) 15:40, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Also recommend minimizing names per WP:MEMORIAL. Borgenland (talk) 15:43, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

You will also need to justify the inclusion of this Arjun to other users as personally I think it is WP:UNDUE and contributes to the WP:NEWSPAPER tone of the article. Borgenland (talk) 15:47, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Bini Jhoanna: Passion for journalism

Hello! I have a question about Bini Jhoanna's journalism history. Do you think it is more appropriate to place Jhoanna (singer)#Journalism under Jhoanna (singer)#Early life and education and rename it as "Passion for journalism"? This history about her passion for journalism seems to fall under the scope of the "Early life and education" section. AstrooKai │ Talk 17:36, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

I shortened the title for the sake of WP:EUPHEMISM and WP:FANCRUFT. The problem with the current arrangement is that it disjoints the timeline and under her current status would not be the first thing many viewers want to read. Hence I’d suggest moving it below Bini. Borgenland (talk) 17:40, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Also suggest moving campus journalism to her early life and retain her professional phase in Journalism. Borgenland (talk) 17:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Overview section on discographies

Hello! I noticed that you splitted the lead section of Bini discography to the overview section. Can discographies have a section like that? Because I haven't saw that practice being made on discography articles like SB19's and other music groups. AstrooKai │ Talk 11:40, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Per prior experience, a lot of articles I’ve handled have some limit for paragraphs. I suspected that the intro was too heavy hence the split. Borgenland (talk) 11:42, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

I see, never heard of that before. Anyway, thanks for the help! AstrooKai │ Talk 11:46, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Confused rn...

Hey!

I noticed you mentioned me in a talk pages and i’m so confused right now, would you mind to give me a context on what's happening there? Royiswariii (talk) 11:59, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

There's a concern over the notability of the Bini members' pages made in the past few days. While Jhoanna (singer) was specifically hinted at being nominated for deletion, I fear that other pages could also be nominated based on the fact that our articles share similar content and some of them are less notable in terms of things other than Bini. Hence, I am notifying you of the discussion for you to have the opportunity to make necessary fixes before a nomination and address related concerns. Borgenland (talk) 12:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

I see, I really can’t do it now due to tight schedule in my school and i’m graduating too. I would ask too if you help me to do it? But i will check it if I have a time and reslove it. Royiswariii (talk) 12:26, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I made some WP:BOLD edits but the articles will still be subjected to review by the editor who raised the concern. Borgenland (talk) 12:28, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Freedom of Panorama and artworks

Hello. I just stumbled upon Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines/Archive 51#Artworks while compiling some notable discussions on FoP status of the Philippines here. My apology if I didn't comment there because I do not regularly add the TAMBAYAN talk page on my watchlist.

Regarding the artworks, in addition to User:Seav's insight, I'll further add. Copyright laws vary across the world, and somehow a nuisance for many uploaders. Here are the FoP statuses of countries that you mentioned in your query.

• Philippines: right now not OK. Though there are pending bills to seek modernization of the copyright law, much of support is for the passage of the bills that solely focus on giving the Intellectual Property Office of the Philippines the power to order blocking of websites or online platforms hosting pirated or infringing content. There is little to no support for three House Bills and one Senate Bill that contain FoP provision. More info: meta:Pilipinas Panorama Community/Freedom of Panorama/Progress.
• Hong Kong: per c:COM:FOP Hong Kong, museum indoors are OK. Only 3D arts like sculptures. Do not upload copyrighted 2D graphic arts like murals, graffiti, or street art.
• Australia: per c:COM FOP Australia, identical with Hongkongese FoP. Both HK and Australian FoP are inherited from the UK FoP anyway: UK FoP is OK for architecture, sculptures, and artisan works (like mosaics, textiles, jewelries, handicrafts etc.), but not OK for 2D flat arts.
• Taiwan: no. No commercial FoP for anything found in public except architecture. Only works like Taipei 101 can be reproduced by photographers to be licensed commercially: c:COM:FOP Taiwan. Copyright expires 50+1 years after artist's death.
• Thailand: no. Per c:COM:FOP Thailand, Thai FoP only covers outdoor landmarks like architecture, murals, and monuments. Anything indoors not covered. Copyright expires 50+1 years after artist's death.
• Japan: no, just an identical carbon-copy of Taiwan; or maybe the Japanese law influenced the Taiwanese law. See c:COM:FOP Japan. Copyright expires 70+1 years after artist's death.

And finally, hosting on enwiki is of no use. English Wikipedia only follows the U.S. copyright law, hence U.S. FoP is applied (see WP:Freedom of panorama). As the U.S. law does not grant FoP for any copyrighted public art, enwiki cannot accept good-quality images of sculptures, statues et cetera. Such images, even if made by Wikipedian photographers themselves, must strictly comply with WP:Non-free content policy. Merely hosting images of copyrighted Philippine, Taiwanese, Thai, and Japanese museum art is an infraction to that policy. No use to tag such images with fair use rationale description boxes; a bot would surely flag those as unused fair use files, to be queued for deletion if not used after a week.

Regards, JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 15:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your insights! Will keep that in mind. A pity though regarding our laws. Borgenland (talk) 15:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

The Philippines is not the only country with relatively outdated copyright law (RA8293) not providing an exception that serves as a legal waiver for users to freely use, share, distribute, and/or publish their images of copyrighted architecture and monuments even for commercial purposes (the essence of FoP). More than 100 countries either do not provide or (worse) do not permit commercial FoP. See c:Commons:Freedom of panorama/table for the summary table as per Commons' perspective (commercial use should not be restricted). On top of that, seven countries – Denmark, Finland, Japan, Norway, Russia, Taiwan, and the United States – have nuanced FoP rules: architecture is free to be used even commercially, but public art and monuments still under sculptors' copyrights cannot be freely used. The country most visited by tourists, France, also does not allow commercial FoP.

It remains to be seen when will our country finally introduce Freedom of Panorama. Current progress in the congress show the bills that are solely focused on site-blocking and anti-piracy provisions (no provisions on FoP) are gaining momentum and greatest support from many stakeholders, from telecommunications companies to CitizenWatch Philippines. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 03:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@Borgenland, speaking of FoP, have you tried talking to your "mga kakilala" with regards to the need for FoP and the pending bills to amend/reform R.A. 8293? The relative "lack of attention" to the three House Bills with FoP clause (HB 799, HB 2672, and HB 3838), as well as Senate Bill 2326 bothers me. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 17:40, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

By coincidence there's one Tambayan editor who I personally know and I think they're aware of that too. Otherwise I'm not an expert when it comes to lobbying. Borgenland (talk) 02:15, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

@Borgenland an update: this PNA article which states the DTI (trade dep't) leadership wants to have the copyright law (RA8293) amended. I hope this is one of the "last chances" to have FoP introduced here before the 19th Congress ends (in which pending bills "die" and will have to be "resurrected" or refiled again). I have added this recent news in the Pilipinas Panorama Community FoP progress page. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 14:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Btw Borgenland, who's that one Tambayan editor you personally know that may be aware of FoP lobbying? JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 03:18, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

It's Chlod. Not really that personal but we went to same school and same region. Borgenland (talk) 06:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Another possible WP:NEWSPAPER content?

Found a passage at Mediatrix of All Grace offending religious feelings case; again, Valenzuela400 contributed it. Seems to be leaning towards WP:NEWSPAPER? It is also mirrored at the main article Mary, Mediatrix of All Grace. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 05:02, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Will check later. Also flagged another edit of them in Alice Guo. Borgenland (talk) 05:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Just read the passage. Simply terrible. I’d erase it immediately if if my laptop were on. This really now needs to be raised in Tambayan, if not ANI. Borgenland (talk) 17:34, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

@Borgenland it should be raised to an admin to hide the infringing revisions. The copyvios are still accessible thru article history and someone can access that to copy without the original publisher's authorization. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 09:20, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

I know of one reliable admin. But I’ll try and salvage the material first. Borgenland (talk) 09:31, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@JWilz12345 there's this advice from aforementioned admin: [3]. Borgenland (talk) 13:38, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

If you don't mind, I would like to ask if you could file the report since you appear to have more experience handling this case and I am also dealing with a similar case on an overseas article. Borgenland (talk) 13:51, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@JWilz12345. There's a slight [4] correction on the advice. Borgenland (talk) 14:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@Borgenland I'm afraid I can't file a report in the forseeable future. I'm focused on several things on Wikimedia Commons at the moment. Additionally, the method of filing a report here may be more complicated than similar actions on Commons (I'm much more used on Commons methods). Regards, JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 23:25, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello again. How about the edit at Balabac Island#Balabac Military Runway? It incorporates an in-text link to Wikimedia Commons category which seems generally discouraged. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 08:09, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

fixed that up as badly-written. Borgenland (talk) 08:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Ongoing event new article alert

End Bad Governance protests Please, help in improving and expanding new things. Please, don't alter any existing content as I am more familiar with it. Just help me and create "Timeline of events" section.

Welcome. Wår (talk) 10:58, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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