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March 2017

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June 2017

I see your point regarding the military/law enforcement and civilian variants of the KRISS Vector. Can you review my latest edits and see what you think and lets discuss, instead of reverting ones edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gun Lover (talk • contribs) 06:42, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

I did not change or remove any information regardig the KRISS Vector's article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gun Lover (talk • contribs) 06:51, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Your recent editing history at KRISS Vector shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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Hello, I'm Bakilas. I noticed that you made a comment that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Bakilas (talk) 07:06, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

August 2017

Please stop making disruptive edits, as you did at Millennium Challenge 2002.

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. Please discontinue adding the NPOV template to the referenced article. As I pointed out in my edit summaries and on the talk page, the quote you've provided as evidence that the article is not neutral is from a questionable source and appears to be a fringe theory. In general, fringe theories are not considered necessary; their absence does not make an article non-neutral. KhalfaniKhaldun 04:46, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

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September 2018

Your recent editing history at Millennium Challenge 2002 shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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November 2018

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to War, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use the sandbox for that. Thank you. - wolf 16:54, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

The reason given was "the claims made have, in order, come from someone who is not reliable or taken seriously in any field (Grossman), have been considered debunked for 30 years (SLA Marshall), quote an encyclopedia for gun collectors that cites no sources stating a piece of data nobody has ever managed to corroborate (the civil war claim) and have very little to do with the article (the strange tangent about fascism)." Grossman in particular is a controversial figure and should never be treated as an unbiased source, you can "according to Dave Grossman" him, but not quote him as fact.

Some sources regarding SLA Marshall:

"SLA Marshall and the Ratio of Fire" by Professor Robert Engen, SSHRC Post-Doctoral Fellow at the Royal Military College of Canada, comparing Marshall's figures to data from the Canadian Army in WW2. Finds that it does not in any way match Marshall's claims.

"SLA Marshall and the Ratio of Fire" (yes, same title) by Professor Roger J. Spiller, Deputy Director of the Combat Studies Institute, US Army Command and General Staff College, shows that Marshall could not possibly have gathered the evidence he claimed and concludes he almost certainly made it up. Quote:

"Why the subject of fire ratios under combat conditions has not been long and searchingly explored, I don't know," Marshall wrote. "I suspect that it is because in earlier wars there had never existed the opportunity for systematic collection of data."...

By the most generous calculation, Marshall would have finished "approximately" 400 interviews sometime in October or November 1946, or at about the time he was writing Men Against Fire.

This calculation assumes, however, that of all the questions Marshall might ask the soldiers of a rifle company during his interviews, he would unfailingly want to know who had fired his weapon and who had not. Such a question, posed interview after interview, would have signalled that Marshall was on a particular line of inquiry, and that regardless of the other information Marshall might discover, he was devoted to investigating this facet of combat performance. John Westover, usually in attendance during Marshall's sessions with the troops, does not recall Marshall's ever asking this question. Nor does Westover recall Marshall ever talking about ratios of weapons usage in their many private conversations. Marshall's own personal correspondence leaves no hint that he was ever collecting statistics. His surviving field notebooks show no signs of statistical compilations that would have been necessary to deduce a ratio as precise as Marshall reported later in Men Against Fire. The "systematic collection of data" that made Marshall's ratio of fire so authoritative appears to have been an invention.

(Emhasis mine)

"About Face" by Colonel David H. Hackworth, one of the most decorated officers in the history of the United States Army, among other things states that Marshall "never let the truth get in the way of a good story."

"SLA Marshall’s Men Against Fire: New Evidence Regarding Fire Ratios" by Professor John Whiteclay Chambers II, Distinguished Professor Emeritus of History at Rutgers University, includes a full interview with First Lieutenant Frank Brennan, an officer who witnesses Marshall's interviews. Quote from his conclusion:

"Without further corroboration, the source of Marshall’s contentions about shockingly low fire ratios at least in some US Army divisions in World War II appears to have been based at best on chance rather than scientific sampling, and at worst on sheer speculation.

It seems most probable that Marshall, writing as a journalist rather than as a historian, exaggerated the problem and arbitrarily decided on the one-quarter figure because he believed that he needed a dramatic statistic to give added weight to his argument. The controversial figure was probably a guess."

Moreover, recent editions of Marshall's book Men Against Fire actually debunk his work in the book's own introduction, citing General Bruce Clarke who said they were "Ridiculous and dangerous assertions - absolute nonsense."

You want Wikipedia to hold this up as factual? Bones Jones (talk) 21:16, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Edit warring

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on War. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
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And you're not, I suppose? Bones Jones (talk) 01:22, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

You've been here almost 2 years and have almost 700 edits, so you should know better. You are not special, the rules apply to you like everyone else. You don't get the final say, just because you think you are right. Per WP:BRD, you make an edit, you get reverted, if you disagree with the revert, you don't re-revert again, you go to the talk page, like everyone else. With each subsequent revert, I advised you to go to the talk page. Instead, you posted a massive rant here, then kept reverting, while arguing with each edit summary. This is not how disputes are resolved. I suggest you self-revert (the project won't blow up if your preferred version isn't there for a little while), then go to the article talk page and start a discussion. - wolf 01:36, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

A "massive rant?" You mean a list of authoritative sources with explicit quotes that support my position? How about you contest my claims rather than trying to "win" by throwing the rulebook at me? You've provided nothing to support your position that any of this stuff belongs in the article. Bones Jones (talk) 01:38, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Article talk pages are the places to discuss articles. My posts here, on your user talk page, are about your behaviour, and because it is required. And, my only "position" is that there is process here, and you are not following it. - wolf 02:20, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

That's nice. If you have no meaningful objection to the edit itself, then there is nothing further to discuss. Bones Jones (talk) 02:24, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Fun tip

WP:PREVIEW. Give it a try. Turn seven edits into one. FYI - wolf 00:09, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

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February 2019

Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on FIM-92 Stinger. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. BilCat (talk) 20:57, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps you should concern yourself more with the IP user constantly swapping the picture out for dummy missiles? You know, the one who's insulted me, too, who you didn't bother to warn? Bones Jones (talk) 18:46, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

He/she/it/xe called you "idiot" once, while you've made many more attacks against him/her/it/xit, including just a few minutes ago, in addition to your previous attacks against other users. Meanwhile, both of you are engaged in an edit war, and need to stop. I'll warn him/her/it/xit for that, but consider yourself warned too. - BilCat (talk) 18:54, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

You are right, but it won't stop other people being dicks to you.

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Your recent editing history at White phosphorus munitions shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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Greetings. Thank you for your contributions to the encyclopedia. I am noting here that there is good faith discussion ongoing at the talk page of the article. MrBill3 (talk) 10:54, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

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That's an interesting time to do this, after I've stopped reverting and all. Bones Jones (talk) 11:53, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

I have attempted a withdrawal of the report. My report was malformed as it was made prematurely, my apologies. It seems the discussion on talk is progressing. Best. MrBill3 (talk) 18:11, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

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