User talk:BlennGeck

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Canvassing and sock puppetry

Blenn. You may not be familiar with the rules, but you may want to familiarize yourself with WP:CANVASS and WP:SOCKPUPPET. Going to the pages of users you deem "reasonable" Redthoreau, to ask for help on adding Kristol's criticism to Beck's article, as well as bringing it up on Kristol's talk page could be seen as canvassing. Posting selectively under the IP address 24.61.171.248(who has 2 vandalism warnings) can also be seen as sockpuppeting. accidental IP post and self revert, reinsertion of material under Blenn Geck to link it together for others.AerobicFox (talk) 23:51, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~Edit:Never mind the sock puppetry. If you haven't edited with the IP intentionally since creating your account then it isn't a problem.AerobicFox (talk) 00:18, 16 February 2011 (UTC)~~[reply]

It appears you were formally another Glenn Beck SPA named LynnCityofsin. the same IP you just used, editing Lynns post over a year ago AerobicFox (talk) 01:07, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do not accuse me things. Especially when you know nothing about me. BlennGeck (talk) 01:12, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Buddy, I wasn't canvassing. I was asking for advice on what a user can do about a poster like you, who appears to be intent on blocking content no simply because he doesn't like it. It was a policy/admin question. BlennGeck (talk) 00:56, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"advice on what a user can do about a poster like you"

No, you were asking what could be done about me specifically to a user who has disagreed with me previously on another topic on that page, seemingly in a shallow ploy to get them to come to the page and disagree with me again. If you have a question to ask, then you are supposed to ask a general, non-specific question at an unrelated forum, and not what you did here.AerobicFox (talk) 01:05, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I wanted to know if there was a way to bring your activities to the attention of an admin, so there could be a third party evaluation. Again that isn't canvassing. No, I wasn't asking him to come onto the talk page and weigh in against you. Please stop accusing me of things. BlennGeck (talk) 01:06, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I was advising you that these activities "could be seen as canvassing" as a polite way to not say "this is clearly canvassing". Please don't my advice as an accusation, and then argue against said accusation which is probably true.AerobicFox (talk) 01:10, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not taking your advice as an accusation, I am taking your accusations as accusations. If you don't stop, I will seek arbitration. BlennGeck (talk) 01:13, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of ani discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.AerobicFox (talk) 01:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

Hello, BlennGeck. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.
Message added 03:39, 16 February 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

-- Magog the Ogre (talk) 03:39, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked

Blocked indefinitely as a sock puppet

You have been blocked indefinitely as a sock puppet that was created to violate Wikipedia policy. Note that multiple accounts are allowed, but using them for illegitimate reasons is not.

If you are not a sock puppet, and would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here ~~~~}} below, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

The Cavalry (Message me) 11:12, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

BlennGeck (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I have very good personal reasons for my IP and sharing the banned user's interest in Beck. Also, I have not violated any wiki policies that I am aware of using this account. I did not engage in edit warring or anything of the sort (as the banned user did). My approach has been one of discussion and presenting well sourced material to support my arguments. I would just add, that it seems I was targeted by several users in order to have me removed from the Glenn Beck talk page. A page with a reputation for problems. BlennGeck (talk) 18:46, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Decline reason:

You have been confirmed by checkuser as a sockpuppet of blocked user Deliciousgrapefruit (talk) - see WP:AN/I#Gaming the system and canvassing. Any unblock request must be made on that account. JohnCD (talk) 20:08, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Socking while blocked is a gross violation of the rules. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:02, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

But that isn't my account. I am not able to log in as that user and do as you suggest. Same IP doesn't equal guilt. Also, I think its obvious why I was targeted and why users like Baseball bugs and Aerobicfox were a part of that effort. BlennGeck (talk) 20:26, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Who's using your IP besides you? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:28, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am not going to reveal too much personal information. But I share an IP with a lot of people with similar views. Let me just leave it at I know who delicious grapefruit is. I share this person's frustration with the page, but I don't embrace that users methods. Surely you must share an IP with other people. BlennGeck (talk) 20:31, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How many are using your IP besides you? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:33, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am not going to share that information with you. BlennGeck (talk) 20:33, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I would like to point out that since AerobicFox posted my IP all over the Glenn Beck talk page I've had multiple hacking attempts on my computer. BlennGeck (talk) 20:34, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Baseball, please do not reveal personal information about me, as you did on the talkpage for Cavalry here: "And the fact that the IP emanates from ***, ***". BlennGeck (talk) 20:38, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The IP in question emanates from ****, which anyone can see by clicking "Geolocate" on the contribs page. You "outed" yourself by switching the signature from the IP's to yours, as was pointed out on the ANI page. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:50, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

1) I did not want my IP known. That was an accident. You and Aerobic Fox then made that accident available publicly. People won't neccessarily connect an IP to the city. You doing so, makes it that much easier for people to find out who I am or where I live. Given that this started on a talk page about a controversial political pundit, where emotions are high, I now have legitimate concerns for my safety. As I said, people have already tried to hack into my computer since my IP was revealed. Please remove all content related to my identity (IP and City) that you posted. I will seek legal council on this matter. BlennGeck (talk) 22:15, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you're not going to tell us why you're editing from the same IP as the above person (and likely the same computer), and explain why you're not that person (despite sharing interests with that person), then we're not going to unblock you. Wikipedia isn't a courtroom; and there is no presumption of innocence when the evidence points to likely guilt. If necessary, you can contact the person who blocked or another checkuser by email and explain your situation confidentially. Magog the Ogre (talk) 22:59, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Right now Magog, I am much more concerned about the possible outing of my identity and its potential impact on my personal safety and professional career. I am being direct as you as I feel comfortable being regarding the IP situation. But I have bigger concerns than being able to edit a wikipidia article.BlennGeck (talk) 01:41, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You outed yourself. Do you admit, at this point, that all of you are the same guy? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:45, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No. I deny that I am the same user. And I didn't intend to out my IP. Forgetting to sign posts with four of these babies "~" is easy enough to do. It should be obvious that I don't want my IP plastered all over a controversial talk page. I have legitimate concerns as a result of that, and as a result of you posting the location you believed me to be posting from. Once again, wikipedia guidelines govern wikipedia only. The real world is governed by the law, so I am saving all these relevant pages and taking measures to protect myself. BlennGeck (talk) 01:49, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You outed yourself, just as one of your other socks did before, so you have no basis to complain. There is no legal or constitutional right to edit wikipedia. All that's known is your IP address, not your personal info. Since you've lied about socking, it's reasonable to assume everything else is a lie also, including the alleged "hacking". And by making legal threats, real or fantasized, you have forfeited any possibility of having your indefinite block overturned. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:06, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

\I never suggested anyone has the right to do so. Wikipedia is free to set its own policies and guidelines. However, outing my identity is both a violation of wiki policy, and something which threatens me personally and professionally. I have not said I will take legal action. I have sought legal council so I can protect myself. And I am letting everyone know here that every drop of text connected to me and the other users in question, I am preserving toward that end. Right now I am much more concerned with protecting myself, than with editing on wikipedia again. You may feel I've violated wiki policy and should be banned; that is your choice. You have every right. But you don't have a right to post my IP address publicly, speculate on my location, my identity or any other thing that may put my personal safety in jeopardy. Particularly when we are dealing with a controversial page. What you have done effectively these past couple days is give a warning to any editor who may want to join in on a discussion on the glenn beck page, that they are a possible target for similar treatment. I have no doubt that is why there has been silence on the glenn beck discussion page since this occurred. BlennGeck (talk) 02:11, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Baseball, with an IP and a city, along with incidental posting information form a user, you can basically identify them. I do not want my IP or my city posted publicly on wikipedia. And yes, I have had several hacking attempts. And no I am not lying about not being a sock puppet. BlennGeck (talk) 02:13, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You should have thought of that before you did this,[1][2][3] which was a dead giveaway and not the result of hitting tildes the wrong way. One of your socks did pretty much the same thing previously. No one outed you but yourself. And I don't believe a word you're saying. But if you have genuine concerns, maybe a passing admin will revdel those links and/or you could e-mail a trusted admin offline and ask for help. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:21, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've posed this question to the blocking admin, so he can decide what action to take, if any. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:33, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

While a right to vanish is normally reserved for editors in good-standing, we might consider deleting your userpage and talk page, as well as blanking the discussion on the administrator noticeboard. However, it would be with the explicit understanding that many of us remember your identity, and any foul-ups which are clearly you will result in a reversal of those actions. I only bring this up because you say you're now more interested in permanently vanishing than editing Wikipedia again. Magog the Ogre (talk) 03:01, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bseball, I never intentinoally revealed my IP. It was accidental in every case. And I don't believe other users should have posted my IP publicly in order to make a stink (expecially when they were clearly motivated to remove me from the beck page so they could have more control of its content). If you guys had serious concerns about it, you should have emailed an admin or something or posted a complaint without revealing my IP or city of residence. Again, wikipedia guidelines only govern wikipedia. This is the real world where the rule of law applies. You are not legally protected by wikipedia policies. This is a very serious matter. And I am speaking with a lawyer today about it. BlennGeck (talk) 13:48, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You outed yourself. Make sure you point that out to your "lawyer". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:51, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is a difference between accidentally revealing your IP, then changing it back when you notice; and someone like aerobic fox starting mutliple discussions on your IP identity accross several talk pages, in the middle of a heated political discussion. Further, you told everyone the city. I never revealed that information.

Anyways, I am bringing copies of the text. All the details will be apparent. BlennGeck (talk) 13:55, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And regarding your new complaint against me. I am not making legal threats. I said I am seeking legal council in order to protect myself. And I am making sure I have copies of all this text in case anything happens. BlennGeck (talk) 13:58, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You gave it away with one of your previous sock names, "LynnCity"-something. Meanwhile, I have asked on ANI that your talk page priv be taken away, as you are using it only for legal threats, which is a violation of the rules. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:00, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Now you are again speculating on who I am. One, that isn't my account. Two, having both a city and an IP are powerful leads for anyone crazy enough to track you down after a heated internet debate (and yes that does happen to people). I've explained to you why you and aerobic's behavior is a prooblem. I've asked you to remove the content you posted pertaining to my identity. You refused. Instead you try to get me banned even more, just like you guys tried to get me banned because you didn't like the discussion I was generating on the Glenn Beck page (by the way mission accomplished, you guys have pretty much frightened off any other editors who take a skeptical view of Beck----mods should take note of this tactic, as its one they've been using for some time. Just visit the Glenn Beck talk page. BlennGeck (talk) 14:07, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, let me guess... it frightened off all your "friends" who just happen to be on your exact same IP. Keep digging that hole you're in. You might strike oil. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:10, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I should point out that I did ask an admin what to do about your situation, and he advised doing nothing until arbcom gets back to you. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:12, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is not unusual to share an IP with people. Ever heard of a family? Heck I know three households who share a single IP. And this is not a funny matter. Now stop posting on my user page please. I am tired of you coming hear to argue with or mock me. BlennGeck (talk) 14:14, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you should heed the admin's advice and stop posting attacks on my user page. BlennGeck (talk) 14:14, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

He advised doing nothing about the evidence where you outed yourself. I've asked that you be gagged for continual abuse of your talk page. At this point there's nothing left to say, and I'm taking it off my watch list. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:20, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I just find it astounding that you don't see how what you did was very wrong. Are you that caught up in the partisan feud on the beck site, that you don't care if someone get's exposed to personal or professional harm through outing? BlennGeck (talk) 14:32, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Talk blocked

Socks do not need the ability to edit a sock talk page. If they need to say something, they can do it on their main account's page unless they've managed to abuse that privilege - in which case, they definitely don't need to be using a sock talk page. Rklawton (talk) 14:51, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]