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Minor point: it's spelled "grammar" not "grammer"

Just a heads-up since you've been misspelling it in the Edit Summaries. No harm done, just thought you'd want to know. MatthewVanitas (talk) 10:14, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Other national-level whaling articles we're lacking

No obligation, but if you're enjoying your current subject, you might consider later tackling some of the other countries for which we lack an article on whaling. MatthewVanitas (talk) 06:17, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Congrats

Whaling in the United Kingdom is a solid achievement. I'll do what I can to improve it (have you come across wikignomes before?) because your work is a real contribution to the encyclopedia. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 14:27, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Carbon. I am new to this and can use all the help I can get. Histragic (talk) 07:44, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

I look forward to collaborating with you! As you've said you welcome help, I've taken the liberty of tweaking your "thank you" so it indents neatly under my first message. It's a convention to help keep conversations together. I still forget wiki-etiquette sometimes - that redlink was a basic mistake - I should have linked to WikiGnome.

I have a couple of requests for you, given your evident knowledge and access to sources. Unfortunately Wikipedia:WikiProject Cetaceans seems dormant, so I'll ask you here, echoing MatthewVanitas above. In addition to the national articles that are missing, I see a gap in that we have no article on Whaling in the Arctic and Whaling in the Antarctic. (This time the redlinks are deliberate.) We have articles that touch on those subjects, e.g. Category:Whaling in Antarctica, but not one point to go to. If you'd consider creating those, especially the Arctic one, it would be a great contribution. Let me know if I can help with any questions you may have. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 13:14, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Hunting bowhead whales in Australia

Hello. I saw that you added Australian whalers hunted bowhead whales. This is a northern species. I'm assuming you're referring to Australian vessels that were sent to the Arctic to hunt them? I don't have access to the cited source so I'm not sure what it said exactly. OM2003 (talk) 21:29, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Australian whalers joined the rush to exploit the newly discovered whaling grounds around Baring Strait in the 1850s. Not much has been published about their involvement there. There is, however, information available in contemporary newspapers, some of which have become available in recent times. (Histragic (talk) 00:39, 23 April 2018 (UTC))

Whaling

I am still tinkering with the entries on whaling in Australia and the United Kingdom and have plans to expand or create entries for some of the better known entrepreneurs in the industry. Once that is done I will take a look at whaling in the Antarctic and Arctic and consider what I could contribute.

Thanks for considering Whaling in the Arctic (and Antarctic). As for the entrepreneurs, that would indeed be interesting. Our Category:Whaling firms lacks a central article. I'd be curious whether the men who rowed the whale boats ever rose to captain the whale ships or finance the venture from a snug shoreside berth. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 21:19, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

It was not unusual for ordinary seamen on whaling vessels to work their way up to the rank of captain. And captains did sometimes become the principal owner of multiple vessels after retiring from the sea. Histragic (talk) 08:35, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

I'm indenting you again! (Do you see how the thread of conversation works?) Thanks for that response. I look forward to reading your improvements to the entrepreneurs. Let me know if you have any wiki-questions that the resources above don't cover. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 21:20, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Carbon. I appreciate the support and imput. I did not realise Wikipedia had a social element. (Histragic (talk) 00:41, 23 April 2018 (UTC))

The social element forms a substantial part of Wikipedia for some editors, and a negligible one for others. You'll see from userpages how individuals choose to present themselves to other editors. (I'm a bad example, as I haven't changed my page in years.) WikiProjects coalesce around a group collaboration; WikiProject Cetaceans is quiet, but I posted a question the other day and got a response. When disagreements arise over what should or shouldn't be in an article, its talkpage is the place to go, where reasonable arguments should rule the day, and a little humour sometimes helps. In the physical world, some attend chapter meet-ups, and editathons, for example, depending on geography. I hope you find what you want within Wikipedia. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 14:37, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Thomas Sturge

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, introducing inappropriate pages, such as Thomas Sturge, is not in accordance with our policies. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Under section G3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, the page has been nominated for deletion.

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I cant find any button to contest such a nomination. Also I dont understand the grounds for the nomination. Namely, that the nominator, “Found some evidence that he existed.”

Subject for speedy deletion

I am puzzled about the nomination of the entry on Thomas Sturge for speedy deletion. The grounds for deletion being the nominator “Found some evidence that he existed.” Histragic (talk) 06:20, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Two things happened. Someone nominated the page for speedy deletion believing him to be a hoax. I then pressed the contested deletion after finding online evidence that he existed. That's the note you saw. Shortly thereafter I also removed the speedy deletion notice. Sorry for the confusion. In general leaving comments on your own talk page won't get much response. I came back here to recognize your work on more obscure historical figures otherwise I'd have never seen this. In the future I would suggest using an articles talk page, a user's talk page, or by pinging a user. If I can be of more help let me know by pinging me or leaving a message on my talk page. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 06:46, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Barkeep49. I am still finding my way around the system. (Histragic (talk) 07:02, 26 April 2018 (UTC))

Sorry for the CSD, I just took what seemed the safe route given that the web link provided didn't work (for some odd reason which I am unaware of) and that all other sources were offline and there simply seemed to be a lot of details about such an obscure historical figure. Again, Sorry! 198.84.253.202 (talk) 21:11, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

I think you're doing quite well at finding your way around the system, Histragic, all things considered. Another tip: in order to ping someone, e.g. Barkeep49, you need to include the whole name malarkey, so it generates a link and an alert to them. See what I did in the previous sentence? Hope this helps. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 00:16, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks Carbon for your comments re the speedy delete matter. I also appreciate the additions to the Thomas Sturge page which greatly enhance it. The support provided to new contributors in Wikipedia encourages me to continue. (Histragic (talk) 00:28, 29 April 2018 (UTC))

I was indeed pinged back here. I am glad you're finding your way around. Nice having someone do deep historical research. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 00:33, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

From strength to strength

Hello again, I'm so happy that you are sticking around and adding so much good new material to the encyclopedia. You are now at a stage where we can disagree on matters of taste. I observed something you had done, I thought "that's not good style; I'll find Manual of Style guidance to point out the error of your ways", and after some hunting around, I discover that you are doing things perfectly correctly, and that my preferred style is simply that, a preference, and your preference is equally valid. (And, in Wikipedia terms, if you get there first, i.e. by creating an article, you generally get to keep the style you set it up with. British v American v Australian English is one example.) So I still have a lot to learn.

I wanted to point out two ways to help your new articles attract a few eyeballs. The first is the WikiProjects. Every article has a talkpage, as you know, and even if there's nothing to talk about yet, i.e. no contentious edits to discuss, it shouldn't be a redlink. It should be blue, because every article should be within (i.e. drawn to the attention of) one or more WikiProjects. Take for example Talk:Thomas Sturge the elder (1749-1825). Which WikiProjects should you consider? Well, you could look at our directory. Or you could go to the talkpage of a similar biography, e.g. his son, and copy over the projects that seem relevant (e.g. Biography). That way, the editors of the named project will receive an alert to review the article.

The second way is to put your new article forward at "Did You Know". This will get any new (or 5x expanded) article onto the main page, for all to see. An overview of the rules is here. Good luck! Ping me if you need help. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 15:57, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks CC. I appreciate your encouragement and mentorship. I take it that creating categories at the end of an article is a way of indexing it so that Wikipedia searches on those terms will find the article for inquirers. Your message has prompted me to explore WikiProjects. Some look interesting and I will see about joining them. I am wondering though the meaning of the term “main page”? (Histragic (talk) 06:14, 4 May 2018 (UTC))

Yes, categories are very helpful. I've discovered many fascinating threads of connection that way. You have to add the category at the bottom of the article, not add the article to the category. The way they work is at Help:Category. I expect you might be interested in Category:Whaling, Category:Whalers (the people), Category:Whaling ships (although, confusingly, its main article is Whaler, an ambiguity we ought to iron out at some point), and possibly Category:Cetaceans.

You are of course very welcome to join any WikiProject that takes your fancy, but you don't have to join any. Putting the project on the talkpage of an article draws the attention of subject enthusiasts; it doesn't commit you to anything.

The main page, or home page, is simply this: front page of the English-language encyclopedia. The section on the left just below the Featured Article of the day is a list of "Did You Know" factoids, a good way to ensure your work finds a wider audience, usually for six hours or so.

Do let me know if you want me to look at anything in your sandbox. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 17:14, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

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Please use edit summaries

I appreciate your recent work on Whaling in the United Kingdom. I'd appreciate it even more if you could remember to fill in the edit summary. The official reasons are at Help:Edit summary. My unofficial reasons are, it just helps keep track of what's going on and why. Thank you! Carbon Caryatid (talk) 12:50, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Opps! Will do.(Histragic (talk) 22:35, 15 May 2018 (UTC))

Thanks!Carbon Caryatid (talk) 22:40, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

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Thank you for adding your name to the AMH project JarrahTree 09:36, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Pleased to be aboard (Histragic (talk) 08:12, 1 June 2018 (UTC))

dont forget to WP:SIGN JarrahTree 22:53, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your addition to whaling material in the australian whaling article - the paragraph after your edits does not have a single ref/WP:RS - it would be appreciated if you have material to hand that could solve that, just in case you do have so JarrahTree 00:31, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

The paragraph at the beginning of the section on bay whaling and the one at the end are based on wide reading of the subject over many years. To footnote general knowledge of the subject seems to me unnecessary, although I try always to reference specific dates and events. (Histragic (talk) 00:46, 4 June 2018 (UTC))

Please in that case read WP:OR, WP:RS and WP:NOT. Even if it relates to a book in general, or chapter in a book that correlates it is less likely to be challenged... open admission such as you have just given is a red rag to certain styles of editors JarrahTree 00:49, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Whaling in Australia question

Hello. You stated that the whaleship Venus reached 31 degress south in the 1830s and thus south of the Antarctic circle. Did you mean 61 or 71 degrees south? OM2003 (talk) 19:59, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for picking up that error. I have corrected it to 72 degrees. Don't know where I got the 31 from. Thanks again. (Histragic (talk) 22:42, 3 June 2018 (UTC))

Speedy deletion nomination of Alexander Birnie

Hello Histragic,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Alexander Birnie for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

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CentreLeftRight ✉ 01:50, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

The article does not say why Birnie warrented inclusion in Wikipedia because I had barely started to write it. I tried to add the next installement but found I was unable to do so, I presume because of yout speedy deletion fatwa. By all means police was goes into Wikipedia , but to expect entries to be instantly complete in every particular seem, to me, both unrealistic and unreasonable. (Histragic (talk) 07:39, 11 June 2018 (UTC)) Histragic (talk) 07:39, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

categories

please read the WP:Categories page - you are adding parent child/cousins and every relative you can find - please understand a more pedantic editor would come in and remove most of your word association. It is a common affliction to try to elevate an article - doesnt help - please check carefully. thanks JarrahTree 10:56, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

DuBuc (1797 ship)

Hi Histragic: Generally, the Category "British whalers" is for individual persons associated with whaling, particularly captains. The vessels go under "Whaling ships". I just thought I would give you a heads-up before removing the category. Regards, Acad Ronin (talk) 12:37, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

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Categorisation

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similarly at King George sound - you are adding what is relevant to this message. Also Fremantle was a whaling centre - but adding categories that do not have the distinction of former is misleading - JarrahTree 00:42, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

ok your answer could be that the category has a distinction made there -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Whaling_stations_in_Australia but hell the average reader is not going that far... strongly suggest that the category should be renamed the way you are adding to so many sites that havent seen a beached whale in some cases for almost a century JarrahTree 00:44, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Cedric Bucknall

Much as I might selfishly wish you back to whaling (whatever happened to Whaling in the Arctic?  :) oh dear), I am having fun with Clarence Bicknell and am doubly delighted to have discovered his near-namesake Cedric Bucknall. Fun all round! I am fond of Victorians with their butterfly nets and microscopes. Your contributions would be very welcome. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 08:49, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks for the help with Bicknell. I plan to do a little more on him. Then some maritime history. I'm all whaled out at present but may return to it in future.(Histragic (talk) 10:46, 31 July 2018 (UTC))

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Torrens Island

Hi Histragic, I've deleted your addition to Torrens Island because it seems very unlikely. After the Parsee was wrecked on the Troubridge Shoal it's very unlikely that the crew and passengers had gone to "Torrens Island" which is in the Port River Estuary (on the other side of Gulf St Vincent), which by that time had become the shipping channel for Port Adelaide. If they'd got that far, there would have been no need to land on the island, as the port is only a short distance away. I suspect that if the source says "Torrens Island", then it may be a mistake. The contemporary newspaper report suggests that it was actually Troubridge island. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 02:17, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Bahudhara, I put down what was in the source but wondered about it myself. I should have checked the geography of the area to see if it was likely. Thanks for having done so.(Histragic (talk) 05:22, 7 September 2018 (UTC))

hahah or perhaps ahahah

by logic (?) perhaps if AB was an art collector, then what are j h-a and k s need that as well... assuming you understand the initials JarrahTree 01:30, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Paying $54 million for a painting kind of qualifies him for me. Don’t know the initials.(Histragic (talk) 01:36, 12 September 2018 (UTC))

we have a user in australian called hack - thats what I think of AB and his understanding of anything cultural regardless of money,

Initials - Janet Holmes a'Court and Kerry Stokes - she her art gallery and collection - and Kerry has a very important library - not sure australian wikiproject has anything about significant personal book collections yet - JarrahTree 01:40, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

One road in is Book_Collectors_Society_of_Australia but reflects very little of the depth and complexity of book collecting in australia JarrahTree 01:43, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Category:Australian book and manuscript collectors seems to have it covered.(Histragic (talk) 01:52, 12 September 2018 (UTC))

thanks for pointing that out - add the colon in the cat - and it pipes it rather than you becoming part of it JarrahTree 01:57, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

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thanks for the thanks

hi Histragic, thanks for the thanks over my fix at Bartlett Adamson, i sometimes pounce on little articles and play with edit them. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:05, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

All help greatfully received. (Histragic (talk) 01:52, 26 September 2018 (UTC))

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Thanks for the advice. Much appreciated.(Histragic (talk) 01:55, 16 October 2018 (UTC))

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Drilling and blasting

In the future, please add attribution when copying from public domain sources: simply add the template {{PD-notice}} after your citation. I have done so for the above article. Please do this in the future so that our readers will be aware that you copied the prose rather than wrote it yourself. Also, the use of ibid. or id. (or similar abbreviations) is discouraged, as these may become broken as new references are added. Thanks, — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 14:46, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

The material I added on this subject was a precis rather than a direct copy. Your point re the use of ibid on the other hand is valid and I will bear it in mind in future. Thanks. (Histragic (talk) 22:39, 29 December 2018 (UTC))

Category:Underwater Diving and Category:Marine occupations on the article, Underwater diving

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William Barnard Rhodes

Yes, he seems to have been an inveterate money-maker, a man of many successful schemes and not afraid to put his shoulder to the wheel not forgetting the dirty hands. So he gathered up a team and on one occasion went whaling round New Zealand (from his momentary residence in Australia). Do you feel this really makes him An Australian Whaler? Or even a whaler? I don't. Cheers, Eddaido (talk) 09:19, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Pelagic whaling voyages in the 19th century were significant maritime ventures that involved thousand of pounds in expenditure and the employment of 30 or so crewmen. The journal kept aboard the Australian is one few Sydney whaling accounts to survive and is the only one to be published so far[1]. It is unusually informative and shows the voyage began in June 1836 and lasted for two years and took the vessel to the coast of New Zealand, among the islands of Tonga, to the Vesquez ground and to the Kermadac Islands before returing to Sydney with 720 barrels of sperm whale oil and 430 barrels of oil from right whales in June 1838. He is also mentioned several times in this article as a significant Sydney whaler[2]. So, yes, I think he qualifies as an Australian whaler.(Histragic (talk) 23:19, 19 January 2019 (UTC))

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Please take care - we do not add parent cats to child cats in the category section JarrahTree 13:12, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I was a bit hazy on the guidelines re the hierarcy of categories but the quote above clears it up for me and I will try to observe that procedure in future. While I have your attention, is there any way I can change my username or would it be easier just to start over and create a new profile from scratch? (Histragic (talk) 23:25, 19 January 2019 (UTC))

it is no big deal at all - I have done it twice in 13 years, really no big deal - try https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Changing_username cheers JarrahTree 23:45, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks.(Histragic (talk) 23:49, 19 January 2019 (UTC))

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Quebec-built ships

Hi Bardo Nerang: Great stuff on the builders and locales for Alexandria, British Army, and Wolfe's Cove. Do you have a source? I would love to add a cite to the info you provided, and add it to my stock of references as Quebec-built ships keep showing up in the work I do. Cheers, Acad Ronin (talk) 18:29, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Acad Ronin: The source is Eileen Reid Marcil, (1995), “The Charley-Man: a history of wooden shipbuilding at Quebec 1763-1893,” Quarry Press, Kingston, Ontario. ISBN 1-55082-093-1. There are a number of appendices. Appendix A contains a table of shipbuilders. Appendix B lists sailing ships built at Quebec and includes date of registry, name, rig, tonnage, measurements, builders and official number. Appendic C lists the same details for vessels built at Montreal and other outports. The specific page numbers are Alexander (p.367), British Army (368) and Wolfes Cove (386).

I have an interest in British and colonial shipping in the Pacific in the age of sail. Whenever I find a Wikipedia entry for a particular vessel of interest it is usually you who created it. Thank you for making them available. Best wishes from the South Seas.(Bardo Nerang (talk) 22:36, 27 January 2019 (UTC))

Thanks for this. I have ordered the book through Interlibrary Loan and will photocopy the Appendices when it arrives. Adding the source and any additional info helps build out the article and improves our knowledge of shipping of the period. I am specializing, for no really good reason, in the period 1793-1815 +/-. I particularly like being able to link databases or books on roles (man of war, privateer, merchant ship, slaver, whaler, or East Indiaman) when a vessel moves through multiple roles. I also like linking in books on origins, such as Bristol or Whitby, and now Quebec. What we can do on Wikipedia is tie together all these great specialized sources. I am also glad that you have found articles I have created to be of interest. Given how specialized these articles are, I am surprised when anyone finds them. Cheers, Acad Ronin (talk) 02:14, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

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@I dream of horses: Thanks for reviewing the page on Rhys Richards. As a reader of Wikipedia articles I have noted the pages for popular singers, actors and novelists often contain a full list of their songs, books or movies. I would not like to think their achievements are any more significant than that of a good historian. With that in mind, the bibliography was added to the Rhys Richards page. One option might be for the biblioraphy to remain but for it to be hidden, as notes and sources usually are. My technical skills are limited and if you could set that up I would be grateful.(Bardo Nerang (talk) 22:19, 28 February 2019 (UTC))

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great circle redlinked

I think you are going to find it hard to justify that - the journal is not at a threshold of notability that could justify a separate article - the important of clarifying WP:N is where there are suitable and adequate sources of WP:RS that are not aamh or similar sources... JarrahTree 09:49, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

It might not be well known among Australian history journals generally but it has been around for almost 40 years now and is the leading maritime history journal in Australia. On another topic, I find my article on Bartlett Adamson is online but it is also somehow stuck in my sandbox and stopping me from using the sandbox for other things. Any idea on how I can release it? Thanks.(Bardo Nerang (talk) 10:01, 19 March 2019 (UTC))

Please read WP:N and WP:RS in that case - I think it is one thing to assert something has been around for 40 years (I should know I have parts of the early volumes) - another thing to to think of it as notable enough to have a separate article - there are simply not enough independent third party sources to justify a separate article. JarrahTree 10:31, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bardo_Nerang/sandbox&action=history - it is now clear - there was a redirect on the page it has been removed - it is simple as removing the redirect template. JarrahTree 10:37, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the sandbox problem. I still think there is a case for a seperate article for The Great Circle. I too have written for it as well as others in the field. Favourable comment sometimes appears in those overseas journals that make clear they regard The Great Circle as on par with their own national maritime history journals. It would take time to track down those third party references so for the moment I will put the matter aside. Thanks again.(Bardo Nerang (talk) 23:49, 19 March 2019 (UTC))

It is not just a favourable comment here or there - for WP:N of stand alone articles about Australian organisations journals it really needs quite considerable cross referencing or substantial evidence of recognition outside of the organisations own published materials. Some organisations and journals have articles - but they are border-line - and it would be much better to expand the material in the article where it is until such time as there is a point where critical weight accrues relevant to the material for another article. JarrahTree 23:59, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

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I am intrigued as to why you deleted the Lexicographer category from both these creators of dictionaries. Any particular reason?Lexysexy (talk) 06:18, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Lexy, I added the lexicographer categories to those two entries. Then, on reflection I decided that I had misunderstood the meaning of the term lexicographer and so deleted them. As I now understand it, the term means a compiler of dictionaries of word meanings. While the word dictionary was used in the titles of the books compiled by the individuals concerned, they were not true dictionaries of word meanings but rather collections of biographies. Hope that makes sense. Thanks for commenting though. It’s good to know someone is taking notice. (Bardo Nerang (talk) 09:02, 19 July 2019 (UTC))

Thank you, Bardo. I guess that you are, strictly, correct. However, it is interesting that both learned gentlemen were unable to find a better title for collections of biography listed alphabetically. But then, like academics defending their turf, I imagine lexicographers would demand correctness!Lexysexy (talk) 02:12, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

streets as landmarks

suppose they might be - but are you following a precedent from somewhere - or... JarrahTree 00:33, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Certain streets in the city, because of their central positions, or due to concentrations of heritage buildings, up-market stores, restaurants or other tourist attractions have become popular destinations for visitors to the city and often feature in tourist promotions.(Bardo Nerang (talk) 00:45, 23 July 2019 (UTC))

fair enough - thanks for that... thinking about it - there are indeed generic ones lygon street carlton - why i even remember it being notable over xx years ago :) - good on you keep up the good work ! JarrahTree 00:54, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

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I always thought

culture in Australia was an oxymoron... but maybe I was wrong. JarrahTree 08:36, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Harsh, very harsh.(Bardo Nerang (talk) 08:41, 20 September 2019 (UTC))

you dont live in Perth then do you... JarrahTree 09:50, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Kerry, Janet, Twiggy, they do their bit.(Bardo Nerang (talk) 10:09, 20 September 2019 (UTC))

I can vouch for first two as I haven known their curators, and could wax lyrical about them, as to the other, and the unmentioned one, hmmmm JarrahTree 10:12, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks for those kind words. I created the article in my sandbox. But when I came to launch it on Wikipedia I did something wrong and that original version is lost somewhere. I copied that draft on my iPad and entered that version on Wikipedia. However it lacks a lot of the coding for notes, images, etc. I have started to re-enter that coding but it a slow process with my limited technical skills. If you can access the original sandbox version and use it to replace what I launched on Wikipedia today I would be grateful. Hope that makes sense. (Bardo Nerang (talk) 23:45, 5 March 2020 (UTC))

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Many thanks! My technical skills are limited and I am of an age where they are unlikely to improve much so I appreciate your help.(Bardo Nerang (talk) 23:55, 6 March 2020 (UTC))

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Hi Earwig. What happened was I created the Joseph Hogarth article in my sandbox but could not figure out how to get it out to publish it. I asked for help and someone published it for me. But the sandbox was left as you found it and I was unable to use it to create anything else.(Bardo Nerang (talk) 10:59, 30 January 2021 (UTC))

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