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This is the archive of messages posted on Anne Delong's talk page, July to September, 2019.


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AfC Mentoring

Hi Anne! I hope that you're well. I remember your name from your AfC-related posts at WT:MED. Now that AfC appears on the article alerts, I was thinking of taking a bite at some anatomy-related ones. I haven't reviewed any before and want to make sure I'm up to scratch in terms of my reviewing style. I was wondering if you wouldn't mind being pinged in a little bit (maybe a week or two) and having you have a look at my work when I've reviewed some?

Cheers --Tom (LT) (talk) 10:24, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Sure, Tom (LT). I've gotten away from AfC lately, but have been meaning to get back to it. I will do my best. However, in the summer I am sometimes involved in activities which take me away from the internet for a day or two, so you may not receive a reply right away. Also bear in mind that I don't know anything about anatomy!—Anne Delong (talk) 12:18, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks :), will contact you then! --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:21, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Done! I reviewed Skin temperature and Epididymis evolution from reptiles to mammals and accepted both. I ran a manual copyvio check on Skin temperature (ie copy into google) and then remembered to do Earwig's one on the second one. Both are well cited and have text that is intelligible. To me they are well within the bounds of normal articles that we see around here and had no major issues that stopped them being accepted. I added relevant Wikiprojects and then tagged both articles. Would you mind having a look and then letting me know what you think about them and how I've managed them? It's quite exciting to learn a new Wiki-skill; once I get the hang of it I can deploy it more readily in the future. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:12, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Hello, Tom (LT). I took a look at the two articles, and I agree that they shouldn't be kept in AfC any longer. The "Skin temperature" looks pretty good. The other one needs a lot of work to change it from something suitable for an academic journal into an article which an ordinary educated reader would find informative. I can see why you checked twice for copyright issues - having a complete article plopped into AfC in one edit by an unregistered user is unusual. However, the needed changes are more likely to happen in mainspace than in AfC, so you were right to promote it. Good work!—Anne Delong (talk) 01:33, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

The Teamwork Barnstar
Witch-hunts in Nepal, the article you helped me with, was featured at DYK on the main page yesterday and got almost 10,000 views! Needless to say, I'm over the moon! Thank you very much for your guidance and continued support!

गुरुर्ब्रह्मा ग्रुरुर्विष्णुः गुरुर्देवो महेश्वरः । गुरुः साक्षात् परं ब्रह्म तस्मै श्री गुरवे नमः ॥ Usedtobecool ✉ ✨ 19:12, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

That's great, Usedtobecool. You picked an interesting topic and did quite a bit of fact-finding. It's nice to have your work appreciated, isn't it?.—Anne Delong (talk) 21:35, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

-- Usedtobecool ✉ ✨ 23:24, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

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Bluegrass topics=

Hi, I am a professor working on bluegrass topics and am leading my students in editing articles about bluegrass musicians. I am arriving late to your call for more work on bluegrass-related wikipedia articles, but figured I would say "hi"!Bidgoodl (talk) 20:55, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Bidgoodl. At the time I got very little response to my initiative to co-ordinate work on bluegrass articles. I had hoped to create a WikiProject, but there wasn't enough interest. I still work on them from time to time. It's sometimes difficult because so much of bluegrass is grass-roots-based rather than industry-driven, and the publications tend to be short-lived, not digitized and hard to find. I wish you and your students well in this endeavor.—Anne Delong (talk) 04:16, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

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Article Review

Hi, Anne! Guess you are having a better day than I am? I just want to ask a question. My reviewer is on wikibreak and will like my article reviewed before resubmitting. How do I go about it?Dee 12:24, 19 September 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Duthperod (talk • contribs)

Hello Dee. The whole purpose of resubmitting is to get a review; however, I will comment: I see that you have shortened the draft, and that's a good thing. Information in an encyclopedia should be a summary of what has been published by journalists and other authors who are independent of the subject - The longer the draft, the more difficult it is to back up the information in it with reliable independent sources. There is still a lot of unsubstantiated content. Also, Wikipedia can't include opinions (such as "The Grubbs's work contributed to the exponential growth of Raytheon....") unless they are attributed to a knowledgeable expert. The link in the text to his wife's website will need to be removed, as per Wikipedia policy of no external links in the body of an article.

My analysis of the references: (1) Obituary: This appears to be a family-placed obituary. If this is a well-known person, there should be obituaries written by journalists, perhaps in business journals. It would be better to cite these.

(2) Desert Warrior: Although this is a "personal view", it does support that Grubbs was Raytheon's general manager, and that's a plain fact, so that's okay.

(3) Anything but Ordinary: This has been written by the subject himself, and so shouldn't be used as a reference - It could be added to a section at the end called "Further Reading".

(4)The Richest Man: This appears to be a book written by a journalist, a good reference. However, the paragraph it supports isn't written in a neutral way, and it's not clear. It shouldn't say what Grubbs thought, just what he did. Phrases like "world-renowned", "the timing was perfect", and "blossomed" aren't suitable, and it doesn't actually say what the rich man did. After the first sentence, the rest could all be replaced with "They decided to befriend Adnan Khashoggi, who had become wealthy acting as an agent in the oil and arms businesses." or something like that.

(5) "Improved Hawk for Saudi Arabia": I didn't load this, because my browser said "Warning: Potential Security Risk Ahead". However, the two paragraphs in the section that it supports are mostly not about Grubbs, but are instead a history lesson about the Saudi economy - I'm sure there's already an article about that. It could all be replaced with one sentence, something like "In 1972 Grubbs, along with Raytheon President/CEO Tom Philips, and Raytheon Senior Vice President of Marketing Phil Phalen, worked out a proposal to sell between $400 million and $800 million in Hawk Missiles to the Saudi Arabian government."

(6) Milestone pact: This article in the NY Times doesn't appear to mention Grubbs at all. It's a good source for the fact that the contract was signed, but leaves unsupported all of the details of Grubbs' role.

(7) SECRET: - This is a discussion of whether the contract should have military advisors, and doesn't support any of the information in the paragraph, which is mostly not about Grubbs anyway.

(8) Whittaker and (9) Firm's success: These are not about Grubbs and don't mention him. The section about his role in the company is unsubstantiated.

(10) Litton and (11) SEC: These are not about Grubbs and don't mention him. The long involved paragraphs they are linked to are mostly not about him either. After the first sentence, the rest could be replaced with something simpler, such as: "Litton experienced an on-going problem in providing a sufficient inventory of spare parts; at the suggestion of his friend Khalid, Litton hired Grubbs as program manager in 1986 to resolve the issue, which he was able to do after several years of work."

(11) Informal: This doesn't say who made the remarks or if Grubbs was present; it's not a published document. It doesn't support any of the information in the paragraph, which has a lot of opinion and is more suitable for a memoir than an encyclopedia and needs serious trimming.

Okay, I hope that helps. Please focus the article on what Grubbs did, not who his friends were or what else was going on in the world, and try to find news reports or magazine features that tell about his life to use as references.—Anne Delong (talk) 05:44, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Anne for taking your time to go through the article, it means a lot to me. I have worked on your suggestion and will like your take on it again.Dee 20:44, 20 September 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Duthperod (talk • contribs)

Thank you once again, can I go ahead now to resubmit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Duthperod (talk • contribs) 12:32, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Duthperod, please wait a bit - I will write back to you with some further information, but am having a busy time in my off-wiki life right now and don't have time tonight.—Anne Delong (talk) 00:14, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
Okay, Dee, now I have a bit of time. The draft of the article has reasonable content now. There's still one serious issue that could prevent it from being accepted if you submit it. Wikipedia has inclusion criteria - see Wikipedia:Notability (people). Since Wikipedia contributors are not necessarily experts in the subjects of the articles they are editing, they depend on those who are - in this case journalists, business analysts and historians who aren't friends, relatives or co-workers of the subject - to determine what information should be in the encyclopedia.
The references that you have included show that Mr. Grubbs was a business executive, and that he was friends with a rich man, and that Saudi royal family members liked him and didn't blame him for problems in his company. However, the criteria specifically state that having a relationship with or being associated with a famous person is not a justification for a stand-alone article. What's needed are news reports, historical analysis, articles in business journals or magazines that cover international affairs, etc., which state specifically what he did and why it was important. The references of this type that you've included mostly don't mention him at all. I spent some time looking on the internet and was unable to find anything, although of course not all content is freely available on line. I fear that if you submit the draft with these references, it will be rejected again.
If this happens, and you are unable to find stronger references, you may consider adding to the existing pages about the Hawk missile, Litton Industries, or Raytheon, where he is not mentioned. A single reference is all that's needed to add to an article.
You have put a lot of work into this, and you may also consider posting your more extensive earlier version on another website that isn't an encyclopedia. (see http://turndog.co/2014/10/28/14-free-platforms-to-share-your-short-stories-online/ "14 Free Platforms To Share Your Short Stories Online"] —Anne Delong (talk) 14:16, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
Anne Delong Thanks Anne, I will resubmit the article and see what happens. If it's regretted again then I will have to go with your suggestion which is adding it to an existing page.Dee 14:30, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

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