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To clarify: I think the lead should mention that the church says that its teaching is based on bible verses (later mentioned in the article) without implying if their interpretation is correct or not. That the teaching has been developed later by theologians and ecumenical councils is a fact and I don't want to imply otherwise. If someone has a better idea how to put this into words, I'm open to that.
Why the lead should mention the bible (+the link):
1) We mention theologians and ecumenical councils (so to Catholics also popes), the only authority (to Catholics) that we leave out is the bible.
2) The discussion in theological pieces, but also generally, revolves around the interpretation of the passages of the bible. (and ofcourse natural law but this is covered by "theologians")
3) The catechism cites the bible. 2A02:1810:BCA9:3A00:17AF:E2FD:D828:F9F7 (talk) 15:29, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
How about introducing it as an interpretation of the Bible by the church, leaning just a bit harder on the human factor and less on assuming the Bible as gospel? Binksternet (talk) 17:48, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Two editors in quick succession added, and then removed content about the recent dubia by two cardinals and others addressed to Pope Francis, which included questions about the blessing of same-sex unions, and other matters.[1][2] Neither the addition of this content, nor its removal, were proper; at least not for the stated reasons in the edit summaries. The addition of content (diff) was improper, because there was no valid sourcing. Although two references were provided, the first was the letter by the cardinals itself, along with the Pope's reply, thus a WP:PRIMARY source, and the second one is from the news and information portal of the Catholic Church in Germany, and so isn't independent, and since the article dealt heavily in quotations with no analysis, it's really only repeating content from the primary source, and cannot be counted as secondary. So, the addition of content in Wikipedia's voice based on these primary, non-independent sources fails our reliable sourcing policy and amounts to the opinion of the IP editor who added it, and therefore is inadmissible original research.
For those reasons, I agree with the removal of this content in this edit. However, not for the reasons stated in the revert summary, which gave no justification based on policy- or guideline, but rather provided yet another non-independent, primary source, namely, the English translation of the response by the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith.[3] This amounted to removing the previous WP:Original research by an argument based on more WP:Original research, therefore, not a valid reason, either. On balance, since the burden of proof is on the person wishing to add content, the removal was correct, even if the stated reasoning was not.
Whenever Fiducia Supplicans and the blessings are mentioned, I think we should say "priests can bless individuals in same-sex relationships" instead of "priests can bless same-sex couples". Saying "couples" makes it sound like priests can bless the union, and that goes against Church teaching and the new document. 177.85.3.155 (talk) 11:59, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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