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This is the archive of messages posted on Anne Delong's talk page, October to December, 2018.

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Administrators' newsletter – October 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2018).

Administrator changes

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Oversight changes

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Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • Partial blocks should be available for testing in October on the Test Wikipedia and the Beta-Cluster. This new feature allows admins to block users from editing specific pages and in the near-future, namespaces and uploading files. You can expect more updates and an invitation to help with testing once it is available.
  • The Foundations' Anti-Harassment Tools team is currently looking for input on how to measure the effectiveness of blocks. This is in particular related to how they will measure the success of the aforementioned partial blocks.
  • Because of a data centre test, you will be able to read but not edit the Wikimedia projects for up to an hour on 10 October. This will start at 14:00 (UTC). You might lose edits if you try to save during this time.

Arbitration

  • The Arbitration Committee has, by motion, amended the procedure on functionary inactivity.
  • The community consultation for 2018 CheckUser and Oversight appointments has concluded. Appointments will be made by October 11.
  • Following a request for comment, the size of the Arbitration Committee will be decreased to 13 arbitrators, starting in 2019. Additionally, the minimum support percentage required to be appointed to a two-year term on ArbCom has been increased to 60%. ArbCom candidates who receive between 50% and 60% support will be appointed to one-year terms instead.
  • Nominations for the 2018 Arbitration Committee Electoral Commission are being accepted until 12 October. These are the editors who help run the ArbCom election smoothly. If you are interested in volunteering for this role, please consider nominating yourself.
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Analekta

Anne, can you please assist me in how to improve the Analekta page? Roger Carlofantom (talk) 11:45, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Roger Carlofantom. The key to getting those tags removed from the article is to add references to independently written information in published books, magazines, and news reports, not references to information written by people associated with the company. This is tricky for record labels, because when you search online there are so many hits to articles about the musicians, with only brief mentions of the recording company. I found an article in Billboard magazine and added it - note that only the part that the journalist wrote is considered independent, not the parts where he quotes the founder. I also found a Montreal Gazette article with a little information. I suggest you look for more articles like those.
One more thing: To keep the content encyclopedic, the article should not be talking about what people were thinking, only about what they actually did.
I hope this helps.—Anne Delong (talk) 13:35, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Anne: Many thanks. Roger

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Nomination of Danny Paisley and the Southern Grass for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Danny Paisley and the Southern Grass is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Danny Paisley and the Southern Grass until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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WikiProject Articles for Creation / Urgently need your help!

Hello Anne Delong. Please excuse me if I am doing something improper, as I am new to Wikipedia. I am contacting you because you are a member of the WikiProject Articles for Creation. I have created the page Draft:Pierre_Jovanovic nearly 2 months ago, and I am waiting for a review. Could you please consider having a look at it ? And again, please excuse me if my request is improper. I am learning the ropes. Best regards. Micha Jo (talk) 16:49, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello Micha Jo. I looked at the draft, and was about to make some suggestions when I read those given by Dan arndt, who has said about what I would say. There should be no references to other encyclopedias, or to Amazon, which is a site for selling books - it has only publishers' descriptions and comments from random people who are not literary critics. All of those should be removed from the list of references. Social media posts are also not appropriate as references. Instead, you should add references to published books or articles written by other authors who are not connected with him, and are about him and his books. A few proper references are much better than a long list of promotional or social media ones; you shouldn't need more than two for each fact cited. I found these: [1], [2], [3], [4] and I added the first one to the article.
Here's a source that may help to show notability for M. Jovanovic's book about angels: WorldCat shows that at least 146 libraries are carrying the English edition of the book, and it is a neutral source, just information.—Anne Delong (talk) 18:15, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

This seems a valuable article and a very promising new contributor. Thanks for your efforts, you are renewing my (sometimes fading) faith in both Wikipedia and my fellow admins. Andrewa (talk) 18:35, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Dear Anne Delong. Thanks for your precious comments and warm words. It is a tough road to a first quality page! I am in the process of improving the page on your guidelines. And thanks for the wolrdcat tip! Kind regards. Micha Jo (talk) 19:00, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Wow, your guidance was great. I did the work of cleaning the references, and now I understand better the value of quality secondary sources. THANKS! Micha Jo (talk) 20:16, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

@Anne Delong: Please, I need your help. My first article, which was approved after a 2 month review process was submitted for deletion by user Bradv. See here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pierre Jovanovic. I presented strong arguments in the talk page Talk:Pierre_Jovanovic, but they were not considered. Could you please have a look, and support my page if you like it ? Also note that Bradv is the infamous editor which deleted the Wikipedia page of Mrs Strickland who later won the Nobel prize in physics: [[5]] and [[6]]. Thank you and kind regards. Micha Jo (talk) 03:06, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject Canada 10,000 Challenge award

The Gold Maple Leaf Award
This maple leaf is awarded to Anne Delong for tireless work in expanding, cleaning up and sourcing articles, including working through Articles for Creation to encourage new editors, during the second year of The 10,000 Challenge of WikiProject Canada. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 19:43, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, Reidgreg. I've been thinking of taking a break and doing some laundry....—Anne Delong (talk) 20:11, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – November 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2018).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • Partial blocks is now available for testing on the Test Wikipedia. The new functionality allows you to block users from editing specific pages. Bugs may exist and can be reported on the local talk page or on Meta. A discussion regarding deployment to English Wikipedia will be started by community liaisons sometime in the near future.
  • A user script is now available to quickly review unblock requests.
  • The 2019 Community Wishlist Survey is now accepting new proposals until November 11, 2018. The results of this survey will determine what software the Wikimedia Foundation's Community Tech team will work on next year. Voting on the proposals will take place from November 16 to November 30, 2018. Specifically, there is a proposal category for admins and stewards that may be of interest.

Arbitration

  • Eligible editors will be invited to nominate themselves as candidates in the 2018 Arbitration Committee Elections starting on November 4 until November 13. Voting will begin on November 19 and last until December 2.
  • The Arbitration Committee's email address has changed to arbcom-en@wikimedia.org. Other email lists, such as functionaries-en and clerks-l, remain unchanged.
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Greetings from the Arbcom Recruitment Kittens!

No catfights, we promise!

We've got some former arbs in the mix for WP:ACE2018, but we need more fresh blood bright-eyed and bushy-tailed first-time candidates! AfC is probably a surprisingly transferable skillset. Opabinia regalis (talk) 07:13, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Opabinia regalis, thanks for thinking of me, but I can't work that into my life right now. I have time-consuming commitments with three off-wiki organizations and an irregular schedule. I mostly edit Wikipedia while travelling or at night when I can't sleep, or in spare moments when it isn't practical to work on my other projects; I need to be able to leave off at any time without guilt or pressure. Maybe in the future when some of these other things are finished...—Anne Delong (talk) 13:09, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Eggsquis

Hi, I don't know whether you think this is notable or not. If not I'll get it deleted.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:00, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Dr. Blofeld, I found some references, but the article could use more extensive ones. There seems to be remarkably little news considering that there are nearly forty restaurants. Likely there would be more in French, but I don't know what key words to use. It's interesting that there isn't an article in the French Wikipedia. —Anne Delong (talk) 04:38, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Cheers Anna, yeah I merged it into the List of Canadian restaurants, I think it belongs in a little summary there not in a separate article. Thanks!♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:13, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

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I need your help

Hi! can you please check out this Florian Munteanu case. I've seen plenty of pages here on Wikipedia with actors who played a single role in a movie. I don't understand why some people complain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:4F8:1C17:404A:0:0:0:1 (talk) 14:06, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – December 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2018).

Administrator changes

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Guideline and policy news

  • Following a request for comment, the Mediation Committee is now closed and will no longer be accepting case requests.
  • A request for comment is in progress to determine whether members of the Bot Approvals Group should satisfy activity requirements in order to remain in that role.
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Gay Nineties (band) has been accepted

Gay Nineties (band), which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.
The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. If your account is more than four days old and you have made at least 10 edits you can create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer.

Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia!

—Anne Delong (talk) 04:41, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Removing references to self-published and affiliated sources

Hello. I noticed your edits of Imagine Dragons, then saw other edits in your history that seem rather harsh in removing citations to some sources because of their self-published or affiliated nature. Per WP:ABOUTSELF, it is my impression that in some cases it is OK to cite such sources for documenting uncontroversial facts about a topic. Does your opinion differ? —BarrelProof (talk) 18:43, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, BarrelProof. You are right that it is sometimes okay to include a self-published source. Here's my interpretation: Wikipedia articles are supposed to be summaries of what is written by journalists or other authors in reliable, independent, published sources. This is for two reasons (1) to make sure that the information in the article is accurate, and (2) to select which of the thousands of possible pieces of information are important enough to put in the article.
Generally there should be no need to use affiliated sources for band articles; if an item of information is important, it will be found either in a book, magazine article, newspaper, radio broadcast, television documentary, etc. In the case of awards or music charts, primary documents are okay provided that the awards or charts themselves have been shown to be notable (for example, by having a well-referenced Wikipedia page). Examples: RPM charts or Juno awards.
Affiliated sources should only be used to verify basic facts that obviously should be in an article, but for some reason a reliable independent source hasn't yet been found. For a band article, for example, if there was enough press about a band to show notability, but for some reason authors hadn't named some of the band members or said what instruments they played, or said what country they were from, a closely connected source would be better than no source, to bolster reason (1).
However, at least 90% of the time I find affiliated sources used to justify the inclusion under reason (2) of promotional and self-serving material (such as band announcements of upcoming events and future plans or advertising where to buy their music) or "fancruft" (what kind of tea a musician drinks or what famous person they met, or their innermost thoughts at some moment in their lives), which reviewers and feature writers have not found important enough to write about. Information about a musician or band shouldn't be included in a Wikipedia article solely because it was posted on their own social media or mentioned by them in an interview by a closely connected person, when even fan magazines hadn't found it interesting.
Okay, this is my interpretation. I hope it makes sense. Looking back at the Imagine Dragons article, though, I realize that the origin of the band's name has been discussed in published articles and I should have replaced the YouTube reference with a better one, so I've added a Billboard reference.—Anne Delong (talk) 22:26, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Understood. You're a bit stricter than I am, but I understand your point of view. Also, at first I thought the iTunes links should be retained, to show the names and release dates of the described music releases. But when I actually clicked on those, they do not seem to be ordinary web pages. When I click on those links, I am not shown a web page, and instead I am greeted with a demand to install some special Apple application software before I can do anything, and I'm not going to do that. I now agree with their removal. I don't know what Apple is doing with those links, but it seems strange. —BarrelProof (talk) 23:36, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Yes, BarrelProof, this is common problem with linking to general website pages rather than published and dated articles - the contents can change at any time. Sales websites are particularly bad; they are not there to provide information, but to attract customers to the shopping carts.
As far as dates are concerned, I don't think it's really important to most readers to know on which exact day a piece of music was released, unless it was very recent. Usually only those closely connected to the band and its label care about those dates. Music reviews and features generally use more general terms, "last month" or "early 2016", for example; this makes for easier reading, and detailed discographies, for example at discogs, or the band's label's release database, can be added as external links. In my opinion, an article of moderate length filled with the most commonly reported and verifiable information is much preferable to a very long one filled with minute detail through which the reader has to wade to find the information he or she really wants. A lot of people are reading Wikipedia on their phones these days. I know not everyone agrees with me about this. Anyway, thanks for discussing before undoing my edits.—Anne Delong (talk) 02:30, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
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