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User Orchomen

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@Callmemirela: Sorry for replying late. Feel free to make any formatting changes you see fit that would improve organization. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:24, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

No worries. Let me know how it looks. Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 20:26, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Template:Disney XD Original Series

I knew I wasn't wrong to insist upon this at {{Disney XD Original Series}}!! See: [1] --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:26, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Now Lab Rats: Elite Force needs to be renewed. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:33, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: Quick note on the above: It was a long time period between LSWTFMA's last new episode (August 29, 2017) and season two renewal announcement, which was seven months and six days, including yesterday, so I now have some more hope with Lab Rats: Elite Force as it hasn't been quite that long since its last new episode (October 22, 2016), which is five months and 13 days, not including today. I really hope Jagger Eaton's Mega Life gets renewed for season two. From a mini-discussion with one of the same people who said Disney Channel ratings don't mean much, which I know we don't buy, they said series like that which aren't scripted don't cost half as much money to make as sitcoms or week strip-type shows, such as Hunter Street, and high ratings therefore aren't as high a factor in determining things like renewals. Now that I can believe, though I don't know about you. Given that, the series has certainly been doing well in the ratings department. For more specifics, you can also see my sandbox page. As for Crashletes and a potential third season, I kind of stopped watching it, though not really because it's a bad series, just because, but it should still be renewed. There's always a demand for sports and adventure-themed series. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amaury (talk • contribs) 14:29, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Still not official, but this would certainly seem to indicate that Lab Rats: Elite Force is indeed done. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:56, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

If this keeps up, one of us is either going to need to ask for protection of Template:Disney XD Original Series at WP:RfPP, or try to get the IP blocked. The problem is we'll need a rangeblock on this IP which will mean talking to someone like User:BU Rob13... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:53, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Looking at the IP addresses, which begin with 177 and are different after that, range blocking would likely not work, due to significant collateral damage. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @IJBall: If you or MPFitz1968 want to go ahead and do both of those, go for it. It's gone on long enough. I'm on my tablet and Astronomy 100 is about to start, so I can't, but I also don't want them running amok. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:23, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I've gone ahead and requested semiprotection [2]. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:25, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

The IP (dynamic addresses but all geolocate to Brazil, near Rio) is also being disruptive at Hulk and the Agents of S.M.A.S.H., the series they are removing from the template itself, by removing that template from that article. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:57, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Hunter Street (TV series)

Huh – looks like the finale got the second highest ratings of the show's entire run... Yeah, I'd expect that Nick will renew this one. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:44, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

No idea if this is something we'd ever want to use as a source, but I'm adding this here, just in case... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:22, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: It even outperformed all of Disney Channel's Friday sitcoms combined. *shock face* For Disney Channel Friday, the average 18–49 rating was 0.19 million (Bunk'd: 0.15 million, Stuck in the Middle: 0.21 million, Andi Mack: 0.20 million) and the average total viewers was 1.06 million (Bunk'd: 0.84 million, Stuck in the Middle: 1.10 million, Andi Mack: 1.24 million). As for Hunter Street, look at its awesomeness: User:Amaury/sandbox/Television ratings/Hunter Street. I'm willing to give Andi Mack's premiere some leeway because of the prolonged period of online availability before the television premiere as MPFitz1968 brought up; now it's just a matter of seeing how future episodes do. Also, Tangled: The Series received another record-breaking low of 0.20 million/1.02 million, so adding that with the sitcoms, the 18–49 average is the same and the total viewers average is brought down by 0.01 million to 1.05 million. Disney Channel really needs to dig itself out of the grave they dug themselves into. Not that this is a bad thing, obviously, but when Nickelodeon's weekday strip series, which in general seem to receive lower ratings than your usual sitcoms, like Paradise Run and Hunter Street are receiving better ratings than a typical running sitcom, like Stuck in the Middle, you know you're really doing something bad. It also doesn't help that people are still being immature about the Girl Meets World cancellation, and myself and Michael are still not dismissing that as a theory as to why Disney Channel has been receiving low ratings since November 18, even though at that point, there had been no official word on Girl Meets World's fate. I saw a Twitter post about how people were going to once again spam Disney Channel with emails when Andi Mack premiered and "teach them a lesson" for canceling Girl Meets World Like, seriously. Grow up. It's how television series have worked since being introduced to the world. Amaury (talk | contribs) 05:46, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: Look at Nickelodeon rocking! [3] I don't know why they didn't write the full number like they usually do, but, obviously, 1,545 is going to be 1,545,000, etc. Also, keep an eye temporarily on Bunk'd if you could. Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:32, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: I think we're both losing our touch. Amaury (talk | contribs) 21:58, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

IJBall, MPFitz1968, can you guys keep an eye on the article? That IP is back again with their not disruptive edits per se, but bad edits—IJBall is familiar with them. They were also persistent last time on getting their messages removed from IJBall's talk page. As you've stated before, IJBall, there's a reason they're called guidelines and not rules. They don't have to be followed super strict and exceptions can be made in cases like this, where it makes more sense to list the writers in the info box because listing them in the episode table would make everything look clunky. Plus, ten writers is not that many and is only over the "limit" by five. If there were 25 or more writers, then I could understand, but this isn't that many. Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:22, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

I advise you post your argument on this to Talk:Hunter Street (TV series). I don't have any problem with what you've done, but putting on the Talk page will see if anyone besides the IP cares about this... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:25, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: Yes, sir!  Done Talk:Hunter Street (TV series)#Guidelines are not rules. You're more than welcome to post any feedback you may have there. MPFitz1968, Geraldo Perez, Nyuszika7H, if any of you also have any feedback, feel more than free to contribute to the discussion on the article's talk page. Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:34, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Although I might expect to be reverted, I have reverted your WP:BOLD split of episodes from the main article at Hunter Street (TV series). I noticed this after List of Hunter Street episodes was tagged at Category:Articles using Template:Series overview with empty start date, which I fixed, and then redirected. There is nowhere enough for a split; two episode tables and an upcoming season most certainly does not warrant that there is enough content to split, especially when there is extremely minimal prose in the split, what with only one episode having a summary. For further information, and a stronger version of not splitting with two tables, see the discussion at Talk:Legends of Tomorrow § Episodes page. Cheers. -- Alex^TW 23:35, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Bunk'd

Now watch as Bunk'd gets renewed for a third season, with Cameron Boyce added to the main cast!! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:31, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Side-question: When Boyce has appeared on Bunk'd is he credited as a "Special Guest Star" or just a regular "Guest star"... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:32, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: Special. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:29, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: I just noticed your first message in this section. (For some reason I only noticed the question when you posted here on Wednesday.) And yeah, that'd be cool. With Gamer's Guide to Pretty Much Everything officially canceled, they'd have no reason not to. Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:09, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Mech-X4

Need help (and more eyes) again over at Mech-X4 – I don't think I can get this IP blocked yet, and a single IP's edits won't get a page protected, and I can't risk another reversion on my end. I think if you take a look at the edit, though, it'll be pretty clear that it's problematic, as the show still hasn't premiered new episodes on XD yet, and it definitely didn't premiere on XD in November! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 06:40, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

I reverted the most recent edit by the IP [4], and warned them. (But I see they decided to make more disruptive edits, as I am posting this.) MPFitz1968 (talk) 07:05, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

I've now issued a warning on their page about edit warring (close to violating 3RR). Hopefully this will not need to be taken to WP:AN3, but they keep pushing it. MPFitz1968 (talk) 07:10, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Disruptive editing

There is no disruptive editing. The 'Lists of American television series episodes' is supposed to be entirely depopulated into sub-categories as per the top message. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carnelian10 (talk • contribs) 20:45, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

@Carnelian10: Yes, it is, so it might be best to stop unless you want to risk a block. Just because you claim such does not mean so. Amaury (talk | contribs) 21:06, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Jacob Bertrand

Explain to me how famousbirthdays is not a reliable source. They have a contact page, a physical address not to mention a team of editors, writers, managers. See here [BLACKLISTED URL]. Also who are you to say what a reliable source is.

Keep the discussion to one talk page. I will respond on GP's talk page. Amaury (talk | contribs) 01:43, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

GP has replied and basically said what was needed to be said. Amaury (talk | contribs) 01:45, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

@Amaury: I was able to find another source to use that has now been added by another editor. See what happens when you have a conversation instead of trying to block and report somebody. I will take down my noticeboard discussion and there isn't a reason for your to remain up because the issue has been resolved. Maybe next time you could try to have a conversation instead of just undoing edits and then reporting editors.AllSportsfan16 (talk) 03:31, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

No, you were in the wrong here. Just because the issue has been resolved does not change the fact that you edit warred to try to keep an unreliable source as well as had a meatpuppet try to do your dirty work, and you are already on thin ice as it is. I will not be removing my report. An administrator can decline it if they so wish, but I will not be removing it. Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:43, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Were you not edit warring because it seemed like you were also doing it. In fact everyone does it and this whole trying to block people for edit warring is ridiculous everybody does it. Besides my information was verified by another source, so my edit in the first place was correct, so you were in the wrong by undoing it. You could have helped to find another source but you didn't and that it is a big problem with Wikipedia is that people just revert edits without trying to find another source.AllSportsfan16 (talk) 04:29, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

The original source you tried to provide was not reliable, and per WP:BRD, once your edits you were challenged, you were not supposed to reintroduce the challenged content. We were following policies and guidelines; you were not. It's plain and simple; just accept that you were wrong and move on. In the end, his birth date ended up being added with a reliable source, so quit complaining. From here on out, I will not be replying any further to your nonsense and lies. Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:50, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Raven's Home

Hey Amaury, it's Mirela. My original account is under a wikibreak enforcer, so I can't login. I am currently using two IPs, three if I am using my data, to edit occasionally. May I ask how OR applies to the edit I made? - Callmemirela - 64.229.49.149 (talk) 22:45, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

@64.229.49.149: That doesn't sound good. :x To answer your question—although I didn't know it was you when I reverted, haha!—it's original research because we don't know if it's been a few years, unless there's a source somewhere that I failed to notice which states that? Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:31, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

More eyes are needed at Raven's Home. (Also pinging IJBall and Geraldo Perez regarding this.) It appears several different IPs in the last day or so have been adding July 21 as the premiere date for the show on Disney Channel, but providing no references to back up this claim. With three IPs already showing up to add this info ([5][6][7]), my instinct would be to ask for semiprotection, but I'm gonna hold off on that for now. MPFitz1968 (talk) 15:08, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: I can't do much right now. Only reason I'm on now is because I'm at a restaurant. We've been without cable, Internet, and (landline) phone since about 2:30 PM yesterday. There was a fiber cable cut from someone digging. That was fixed, but then someone was shooting with a shotgun and shot the overhead lines in another city, so it was never restored for us. Some people who suffered from the fiber cut had service restored, though, but not us. Those overhead lines are leased to Charter, so I don't think Charter can just go and fix the issue, and the company isn't answering Charter's calls, and Charter is putting pressure on them. They likely don't think they're responsible and don't want to pay for it, but I don't know. I'll do what I can when I'm on the college's Wi-Fi tomorrow if it's not fixed by then. With that said, think you could take care of the credits and absences, if applicable, for yesterday's Henry Danger and Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn? Thanks! Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:36, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Ouch! It's no fun losing Internet connection. Anyway, I added the credits for the new episodes of Henry Danger and Nicky, Ricky, Dicky and Dawn, but didn't include any absences. As I don't regularly watch Nickelodeon (caught the two episodes online and only watched the beginning and ending parts), and am busy with other projects right now, it will take me a while to get that info - if there were any main cast absent. Also, with the Henry Danger guest star credits, they don't list characters with the actors, and I needed to look at previous info in the LoE article to make connections; I'm pretty sure I got them right, but they need double-checking. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:03, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: We are back up and running! The issue was made more complicated when they were trying to fix the overhead lines and there was a washout, causing an evacuation. When my mom called again, she was told things would be fixed by tomorrow morning as the crew would have to work slowly due to that washout. We thought they would have to return tomorrow, but I guess they returned sooner and were able to get it fixed earlier than estimated. Thank you. I'll catch reruns and see. There should be character names, though, at least there are in the end credits on TV. Perhaps the series' true end credits online, where they aren't cut out for reasons I'll never understand, are different. Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:36, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

The "source" for the July 21 premiere date appears to be this. I dunno how reliable this is, but it does make sense that Disney might premiere this show on the same day as the Descendants 2 premiere (though that makes the logic about premiering Descendants 2 over five different TV networks a lot less clear!...). Pinging @MPFitz1968 and Geraldo Perez: so that they can see this too... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:34, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Too bad that is an unverified twitter account with the info. Some verified cast are watching it though so it is probably correct and use could be justified with the verified followers (retweets of cast, not followers) but still would like something from a better source. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:36, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

I have added a topic to the talk page for the article regarding the problem at Talk:Raven's Home#Re: Use of unreliable source(s) to back the premiere date. Seems not only are IPs adding the info either unsourced or poorly sourced, but at least one autoconfirmed has done so. MPFitz1968 (talk) 06:02, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Crashletes and Jagger Eaton's Mega Life

I believe WP:TVCAST has new guidance in how to handle "casts" for unscripted series. I think you're right that TVCAST prefers prose over a "cast list" for unscripted series. Of course, details of the full discussion is here (where there was a fair amount of discussion on this topic). Anyway, while I agree with you in removing the "cast lists", I don't think I would have removed the entire 'Cast' section. Instead, I think it should be replaced by a few sentences of prose – e.g. something along the lines of "The series is hosted by Jagger Eaton who...", etc. The people who have "recurring appearances" can also be mentioned the same way... Just my $0.02. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:58, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: I'll try to think of something when I am done with classes and on my laptop. I didn't think you were watching those. :o Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:15, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

TVCAST also suggests titling these kinds of sections something other than "Cast" – they suggest "Presenters" (but that's rather a British term), so perhaps you could title the section "Host(s)" or something... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:18, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: Makes sense for Crashletes, but Jagger doesn't exactly "present" or "host." The series is more of a documentary/vlog type of series. It's hard to explain. There should be some episodes on the Nick site if you want to get a feel for it. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:30, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: Got any ideas on how to word things? Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:58, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

List of Stuck in the Middle episodes

Overall, regarding Rtkat3's edit [8], I wasn't too impressed with a lot of it, but was seeing how much if any of the edit could be kept. Aside from the unnecessary detail they added, I was noting how their placement and omission of commas was kinda bad - particularly with a sentence edited in "Stuck without Devices" pertaining to Ethan and his attempt at being a magician but Daphne pretty much stealing the show. Sometimes, Rtkat3's edits are okay, but every now and then, they'll add a bit more than they should. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:19, 27 April 2017 (UTC)