User talk:Amaury/2017/December

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The After Party

Hey, I never noticed this before, but the three airings of The After Party are listed among the "Nickelodeon specials" by The Futon Critic, here. This seems to further confirm that this isn't a "regularly scheduled TV program", but is designed to be a series of "TV specials" (like the Nick Halloween, etc. specials). If so, that probably explains why there's been no TV press coverage of The After Party. FWIW... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:20, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: Can just request deletion, then. Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:27, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Not sure about that – after all, there's an article for the Disney Channel Games, which were also basically an annual series of "specials". The difference here is that The After Party hasn't seemed to get any independent coverage... As Drafts are "cheap", and generally get deleted if unedited for 6 months in any case, I suggest just leaving the Draft for The After Party as is for now. It's possible that there will be more of these specials, which might lead to actual press coverage... You just never know. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:34, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: Lip Sync Battle Shorties might be another one. There have been two episodes so far, the Halloween special on October 15 and the Christmas special today. And now a Nickelodeon promotion commercial has said there are more episodes coming in January. Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:38, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: I just noticed, unlike The After Party, it also has its own section on The Futon Critic instead of being listed under Nickelodeon specials: [1] Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:16, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Hey, IJBall! I've gone ahead and created a draft here: User:Amaury/sandbox/Lip Sync Battle Shorties. It might already even be ready to be an actual article, but I need to finish the infobox. I couldn't finish it because midway through the episode, it disappeared from On Demand on the Charter app. When it returned from the ads, it went back to the beginning despite the marker still being in the middle. So I exited out to reload it, and it was gone. The Holiday Special is listed there, but it's not airing until Friday, so it's not currently On Demand. Amaury (talk | contribs) 05:16, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Almost... I'd like to see at least one independent source on that one. I've got to think that someone like Deadline already has an article on this, so it shouldn't be too hard... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:55, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: Would this work? Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:50, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes. That plus any other additional independent sourcing you can find should be enough, if it's to be a regular series. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:51, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Amaury, here's more for this one... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:37, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall:  Done: [2]. And I think we should be good for mainspace now? Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:45, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I think so... Personally, I'd like one more secondary source here. But, if this show is going to start regularly airing in a few weeks, the article meets WP:TVSHOW now, and can go into mainspace. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:49, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: Fair point. What are your thoughts, Geraldo Perez? Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:53, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Again, from my POV, it now meets WP:TVSHOW, so it's likely good to go... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:54, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: Gotcha. Okay. Doesn't hurt to make sure/get a second opinion. Also, feel free to make any changes to the wording in my last edit there if you feel it's warranted. The press release states it's premiering on January 12, 2018, but as episodes have already aired this year, I worded it to state that new episodes will resume on that date. The pilot may need its own section as well without being counted toward the episode count, similar to the Hunter Street and I Am Frankie recap episodes. Based on the production code of 100, it's not one of the regular episodes since in all other cases, the production code count starts at 101. (Most pilots are part of the regular episodes, such as with Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn and Stuck in the Middle, but not always.) Also, another press release mentions a 10-episode order, but according to the "About This Show" on The Futon Critic ([3]), there will be 11 episodes once the first season is done, so it's a bit conflicting because it's counting the pilot. Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:06, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall:  Done: Lip Sync Battle Shorties. Feel free to take care of anything that may still be needed. Amaury (talk | contribs) 05:25, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

I've added more secondary sourcing to this. It should be solid now – I can't imagine it wouldn't survive at WP:AfD in its current form, and I doubt anybody would be tempted to try to take it there as it is right now. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:37, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Alex Hook

One of us should probably think about creating a draft at Draft:Alex Hook, if a search turns up any substantive press coverage on her (Orchomen's attempt to add that one source about Sheldon Cooper probably counts towards that...). I believe Geraldo said that he suspected that she might pass notability guidelines, so a draft article might be worth a look. On my end, I'm at least a week away from being "unbusy" enough to look into this... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:07, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: I'll clue Geraldo Perez in on this in case he's interested as well. But good deal, yeah. On a related note, I just had to revert that user on Game Shakers om similar grounds. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:32, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: I have been looking for anything more than passing mention related to her one notable role that would meet GNG, so far with no success. TOOSOON it looks like for a main space article. Not a lot of meat for a draft either but starting one might get more people looking. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:31, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez: FWIW, this is the source that User:Orchomen used for her – this looks like it legitimately counts as one WP:RS reference on a WP:BASIC basis for an article on her. But it may be the only one – I dunno, because I haven't looked yet. If this is the only one, that would definitely put Hook behind, say, Cree Chiccino (whose draft article I keep meaning to get back to and look to see if it's ready for Mainspace yet...) as an article ready for "mainspace". On my end, I wouldn't bother creating a Draft article for Hook unless I can get at least 2–3 WP:RS references for her (I suspect a second one sort of already exists in terms of I Am Frankie being greenlit/picked up to series...). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:38, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: That one is interesting and would work as one even though it is still mostly about her role on her the show and only says a little about her as a person. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:46, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Benjamin Flores Jr.

Amaury, could you please add this one to your watchlist if it's not already on it? And if it already is, could you please keep an extra close eye on this one? I've got an IP editor (hopping) who continually keeps trying to combine Flores' appearances on Game Shakers into a single entry, despite the fact that they are in two separate years, playing two different characters. I've already tried to explain this to the IP in an edit summary, but they are ignoring it, and refusing to discuss... Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:17, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall:  Watching. Amaury (talk | contribs) 20:19, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Animated series articles

Man, the animation articles on this project are all almost uniformly bad. Even the articles for yet to premiere series, like Big City Greens are pretty awful – ignoring MOS:BOLD, filled with unsourced claims and material, overstuffed with Fancruft, etc. We seem to have a large cadre of esp. IP editors dedicated to the animated TV series who really don't care about MOS and notability standards on the project, and just will add whatever they want, however they want to! I've probably been getting subtly frustrated by this lately. But what I am seeing at Big City Greens and Mysticons lately has been pretty bad. These articles need a large cadre of experienced editors to keep an eye on them to try to keep them reasonable... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:12, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Mech-X4 and Walk the Prank

Re: This edit, there is a very similar problem over at Walk the Prank if you're interested in cleaning that mess up as well. Same IP editor too... FWIW. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:43, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: Will take care of it. Amaury (talk | contribs) 05:16, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: Started: User:Amaury/sandbox/Walk the Prank. Will finish tomorrow. The whole page is just a big mess. My God! And once that's done, I'll be splitting. Amaury (talk | contribs) 07:18, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall:  All done and split! Others can fill in the missing credits. I've gotten a start on it with what's currently available on Charter's On Demand. I can also fill in more little by little as the On Demand content changes. Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:05, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Girl Meets World: "Girl Meets Yearbook"

Just wanted to quick say thanks for fixing the odd paragraph break in my copyedit to the "Girl Meets Yearbook" summary. Much appreciated! :) Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 01:20, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

The Adventures of Kid Danger

FWIW, I don't think there is anything particularly wrong with this edit. It basically boils down to a stylistic choice – on my end, I've come around to the idea that, for animated series, "Character X (voiced by Jack Hughman)" is probably better than "Character X (Jack Hughman)" (the latter being better at live-action TV series articles). But either should be acceptable at animated series articles. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:37, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Calling the group!

Geraldo Perez, IJBall, MPFitz1968, Nyuszika7H

I've made some changes to everything in my sandbox, which, of course, includes the tables I use to keep track of which articles you guys watch that I also watch. My goal with those tables in particular was to simplify things, which I hope I have done. Now, due to the changes, for organization's sake, I have moved those tables to a separate sandbox page: User:Amaury/sandbox/Common articles. Please watch that page. How the "new system" works is pretty much all explained there under the "Legend" section, and it should be easy to understand. But to give a quick example, notice that Michael has the following for Liv and Maddie: N Y N. What does that mean? That means that he is not watching Liv and Maddie, is watching List of Liv and Maddie episodes, and is not watching List of Liv and Maddie characters.

Also, if all three of you could thoroughly go through that page when you have time and make changes accordingly with regard to what you're watching or not watching, that would be most appreciated. Having those tables be as accurate as possible is a huge help to me. That way, if I'm, for example, having issues with a disruptive user, I can go and look at that page and be, like, "Okay. They're watching this page." If I know you guys are watching so and so page, I don't have to worry about "flooding" you with messages since I know you're watching it and can therefore see the disruptive user/edits in question. I'm sure the tables are fairly out-of-date as well. There are a couple reasons for this:

• You guys have started or stopped watching something since the last time you updated the tables. For reference, Geraldo, the last time you updated those tables was on January 26, your first and only update so far. IJBall, LOL, you haven't even updated those tables once. Nothing has changed for yours since you initially added your marks on January 16. Michael, the last time you updated those tables was on September 12, your second update. Nyu, the last time you updated those tables was on July 18, your third update.
• I've made a mistake or I have wrong information: I'm saying you guys are watching something that you're not, or vice-versa, I'm saying you guys are not watching something that you are. This can happen easily. Before today's changes, when I performed an episode list split and added that new List of X episodes to my sandbox, I left the cells under your names for that article blank—which are X marks now after today's layout update—and did not mark them with a check mark, which, of course, would indicate that you are watching them. Likewise with character lists or when I've created a new article, such as I Am Frankie. I just automatically assume those articles aren't being watched, even if we've discussed something about them. In some cases, I have assumed they are being watched and have marked them accordingly for one or more of you, such as Knight Squad, but most of the time, I just assume they're not being watched. I prefer it if you guys mark them since then I know for sure which articles you are watching or are not watching.

If you guys could thank me for this edit just so I know you saw this message, that would be greatly appreciated. Once you have time and thoroughly go through that page and make necessary changes, even though I'll see the edits, just leave me a note here saying "done" or something like that for extra confirmation. With 2017 coming to an end soon, you guys are probably cleaning out your watchlists a little bit, anyway, so this is as great time as any to do this, really.

Thank you very much in advance, my friends. Amaury (talk | contribs) 06:49, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Cree Cicchino

Just found another source that looks like it contributes to WP:BASIC for her. I intend to look this one over as soon as I wrap up work for the current year. At this point, I'm inclined to boldly move it to WP:Mainspace, once I put some more work into it – it looks to me like it will soon be ready and probably qualifies now... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:50, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

BTW, another one of these – Aidan Gallagher – may now (or soon...) qualify for an article, after this news. FWIW... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:47, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Mako: Island of Secrets

I recently went thru the cast section of this article and updated the names to reflect what is in the credits. (Thankfully with this series, which is available on Netflix as Mako Mermaids - which also had a brief run on Disney Channel in early 2016 - they list the credits for all cast members at the end of each episode, including the character names.) But there has been some disruptive IPs putting in the last names of several characters, which are not in the credits at all and will assume these last names to be in-universe material. I made it clear in my edit summary when I made the change to the cast section about the WP:TVCAST guideline and how credited names should be used. While there is at least one other editor than myself watching the article, I could use some more eyes; pinging IJBall, Geraldo Perez and Nyuszika7H if any of you are interested. MPFitz1968 (talk) 03:16, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: I guess I can watch it, even though you didn't thank me. (Don't worry, just being funny and giving you a hard time. ) Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:22, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

I'll probably add both this, and H2O to my watchlist, as I watched both... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:40, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: I happened to update the cast section of H₂O: Just Add Water similarly in the last day or so [4], but so far, nobody changing it back to what it was. Like with Mako Mermaids, the credits for all cast members in each episode appear at the end with the character names (and only their first names appear in the credits). I also explained the edit a little bit more on that talk page. MPFitz1968 (talk) 06:58, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

I come down somewhere in the middle on this question. I am actually the one that got "names as credited" put into MOS:TV (it amazes me that WP:FILMCAST still doesn't do the same!), so I definitely agree that it should be something like "Cariba Heine as Rikki..." at the start of the cast/character entry based on the credits. However, I also find nothing wrong with mentioning that her surname is "Chadwick" in the further character summary/blurb, if the surname is mentioned multiple times in-series (and, esp. if it's sourced to a particular episode/episodes) as this one is. So that's where I come down on this... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 07:07, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Agreed. If there's no list of characters article, just mention it in the character's description somewhere in the parent article. If there's a list of characters article, heading should be as credited, but description can have full/other name with necessary references. For example, see List of Backstage characters. Amaury (talk | contribs) 08:03, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy holidays from Callmemirela

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@Callmemirela: Same to you. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:00, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Jessie (2011 TV series)

What the user renamed it to, Collectonian is Stupid (2011 TV series), exists in Wikipedia as a redirect (after you fixed their vandalism) and I'm thinking should deleted. I have filed a RfD on this one. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:46, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

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Hunter Street (TV series)

Just saw an ad for this on Nick: Hunter Street season 2 will premiere on Nick sometime in January 2018. FWIW... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:32, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: Must be at the end of January or something as there's currently nothing in the schedules on either The Futon Critic or Zap2it, and Nickelodeon's January schedule is out: The Thundermans, Henry Danger, Nicky Ricky, Dicky & Dawn, Paradise Run, School of Rock, The Loud House, The Dude Perfect Show, and Lip Sync Battle Shorties. I also find it interesting that there were four premieres in January this year for The Thundermans, Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn, and School of Rock, but there won't be next year according to the sources. However, maybe there's more, or there are just three premieres in January for those shows next year. As for Hunter Street, I tend to notice that even when the next month's episode premieres are out, if it's a series or season premiere, that takes a little while longer to appear in the guides for some reason. Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:24, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: Season two information likely coming very soon. There's now a season two section on Zap2it. However, no episodes are currently listed. In past experiences when this has happened with the empty list, information is added within the next day or so, if I recall. Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:18, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Now populated with the first three S2 episodes... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:17, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: Done and split. Hey, quick question for you. I thought column widths were really only used when there were issues with getting text to fit all one on line or as close to it as possible if text is particularly long—for example, that "Survive the Virus Attack... Thing!" episode from 100 Things to Do Before High School, there was no way to get it all on line, no matter what was tried, though I just used a line break there since it was just the Title column causing the table header to look "fat" and none of the others—particularly when there are extra columns, such as is the case with Backstage, and the September air dates were wrapping for you because of the two air date columns we have—UK and US—so you added those widths. Basically, anytime the table header would look "fat" due to the length of the contents of one or more columns, we would use table widths. Otherwise, there's no issue. In the case of Hunter Street, we have two less of the usual columns—Directed by and Written by—so there are zero issues with that as far as I can see. Now, obviously, I'm not going to be all "BAAAAWWW POINTLESS REVERT", mostly because it's you (), just trying to learn more, really. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:22, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

When there are tables for more than one season, I usually establish column widths so that the column widths in the episode tables across all the seasons are the same widths. The way it was before I did that, the season 1 table and season 2 table had different columns of different widths. I just prefer a consistent, unified "visual presentation" of the tables... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:26, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: Now that is a very good explanation! Should maybe consider making that a "when I'm bored" project of yours, at least for the articles I watch/maintain and are listed in my sandbox. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:29, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Tangled: The Series

I am not looking for trouble, I am just correct something that has offically been confirmed wrong. Since the "Secret of the Sun Drop" was announced, I've been looking into this for weeks. I asked Tom Caulfield on his Twitter account, and he confirmed that "Secret of the Sun Drop" and "Rapunzel and the Fate of Corona" are the same. I left the url. Also today I checked the Disney Channel ABC press calendar. There is no "Rapunzel and the Fate of Corona" listed for January 15, just "Secret of the Sun Drop". I've had this with User:Cyphoidbomb before. Zap2it maybe considered reliable, but that site can be sloppy with its accuracy. I've seen it before multiple times, especially when it listed Tangled's short "Hare Peace" as an episode while it was actually a short already released. I wouldn't have erased them titles from the list if I wasn't so sure about it. The proof I have provided is all I have and I trust it, and if you don't that's fine. I understand you have certain obligations and so do I. I just came to help clear a misunderstanding.

• Twitter: [5]
• ABC Press: [6]

--81.99.20.66 (talk) 16:13, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

No reliable source is perfect. Until and if there's new information from another reliable source or the original reliable source updates, then we leave whatever it says. If the date goes by and an episode doesn't air, then the date can be removed or changed to another date if another reliable source is reporting something else. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:31, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Mack Chat

I don't have a horse in this one, as I don't even watch the TV show, but I wonder if "Mack Chat" might be worth mentioning in a "In other media" basis (i.e. at the end of the article, as per MOS:TV). I would only do that, I think, if 1) cast members from Andi Mack actually show up on "Mack Chat", and 2) there's at least one thing you can use as an inline source for it (and it's better if it's an independent secondary source)... FWIW. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:43, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

@IJBall: I'll ping MPFitz1968. It's mostly just kids who watch the show, though Peyton Elizabeth Lee and Joshua Russ appeared in the Mack Chat for the season one finale: "Best Surprise Ever," if I recall correctly. Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:50, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

I remember seeing at least Peyton in the Mack Chat for the season one finale, and I vaguely recall cast members in at least one for a season two episode, not sure which one(s). (Too bad Amazon doesn't include those, since I can't otherwise check.) As for inclusion in the Andi Mack article, I'm on the fence and really could see it in the article or omitted. I see it as a supplement to the show, with kids sounding off about topics brought about in each episode. Has Disney Channel had something like that before in any of their other live-action programs (as a regular feature, not just for an occasional episode)? MPFitz1968 (talk) 08:18, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Nope – to my knowledge, Disney has never had an "aftershow"-type show, a la The Talking Dead, before. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:44, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Followup: As for independent sourcing, I can't find anything. I think the "Mack Chats" are at the Disney Channel webpage for the show: [7]. And it looks like a few of them are on YouTube. But it doesn't look like anyone independent of Disney Channel has mentioned them (not even one of the teen mags...). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:48, 31 December 2017 (UTC)