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There's a reason they're called guidelines and not rules, and they don't have to be followed super strict and exceptions can be made in cases like this, where it makes more sense to list the writers in the info box because listing them in the episode table would make everything look clunky. Plus, ten writers is not that many and is only over the "limit" by five. If there were 25 or more writers, then I could understand, but this isn't that many. Please use judgment and don't just arbitrarily remove content because it allegedly goes against the guidelines which are, again, guidelines, not rules. Unless it's a serious offense, it shouldn't be removed. Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:32, 18 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps surprisingly, nobody calls this a "mystery series" – not Nickelodeon, and not independent sources. The closest thing I could find to that was this Deadline source (about the S2 renewal), but even this refers to the series as an "adventure-comedy series" in the article's lede. Similarly, Nickelodeon itself does not appear to have ever called the series anything other than "adventure". --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:38, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Although we're going by the press releases, especially ever since Zap2it was incorrectly calling Andi Mack a sitcom, it should also be noted that not even Zap2it has mystery as a genre: [1]. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:48, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: no consensus. There is no consensus on whether the TV series is the primary topic with respect to long-term significance, as the high pageviews are influenced by the fact that new episodes are still being released. The proposed name may be revisited in a future proposed move, and the next discussion should also examine the series's cultural impact. (non-admin closure) — Newslingertalk03:26, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:RECENTISM. The TV series topic is getting high views, of course, while its actively airing. We shouldn't make decisions based on temporary conditions like that. I don't see any practical reason for renaming it or that renaming it improves anything. Best to continue to disambiguate all per WP:NOPRIMARY. -- Netoholic@05:07, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that's not how it works. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is based on page views, not popularity, so WP:RECENTISM is an irrelevant argument. Readers are clearly interested much more in the TV series. So if we have two titles that are both "Rise and Fall," one referring to a TV series and one referring to an episode of the TV series called Space Station, are we going to disambiguate both? No. The TV series would clearly be the primary topic and be appropriate titled Rise and Fall, with the Space Station episode of the same title under the title of "Rise and Fall (Space Station episode)." Amaury (✉)05:30, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is not "based on page views" alone, but also long-term significance. Just because a show is actively airing is, in itself, no evidence that either the page views will continue to be high in the long-term, or that the show will demonstrate other facets of long-term significance. We should never make a primary topic determination while a topic is at its height of page views (like when its actively airing), but should be prudent and wait to see how things develop after the fleeting popularity dies down. See WP:10 year test. I guarantee that no viewer that is seeking this page has any trouble getting to it. External search engines don't care what we title topics - they go by keyword and context and link directly to the relevant page. There is simply no pressing need to address this page's title right now. -- Netoholic@05:50, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Clear primary topic. WP:RECENTISM is for ignoring short blips in popularity, like that caused by a brief news cycle, not multi-year-long ones. —В²C☎21:23, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support, a little reluctantly as I sympathise with Netoholic's view but only to a certain extent. Crucially, this tv series article has consistently been getting considerably more traffic since it's creation over two years ago. None of the other articles come close and so its hard to consider whether any of the others could in time become primary instead. I think the duration in question is sufficient enough that WP:RECENTISM isn't something that could be applied with validity. Bungle(talk • contribs)19:51, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. A short article about a current TV series against articles about streets which will be there when it's long dead and forgotten. In the long-term significance stakes, no contest. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:21, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't matter. It's primarily based on page base views. And in any case, once the series ends, it won't suddenly stop existing and will still be more significant, if we're going to make that argument. Amaury • 15:25, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
As has already been pointed out to you, that's not the case. Long-term significance is just as important. I very much doubt whether this series will have any long-term significance. Once it's over it will be forgotten. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:07, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
One of the most popular sitcoms of all time? No, I don't think so. You cannot possibly compare this fairly minor series with a short article to that one, which clearly does have long-term significance. Please be sensible. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:35, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Amaury. Why are you reverting my edits without explanation? Rinus Saganash appeared in 12 episodes (5 in season 1, 6 in season 2, 1 in season 3).
Mr. “Magpie” Browning appeared in 6 episodes (2 in season 1, 1 in season 2, 3 in season 3). Both of them are notable characters. Isn't this enough to add they to recurring cast? Lado85 (talk) 15:30, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I was not trying to get in a edit war I was just trying to update the information it was conformed for a fourth season in February 2020 and was conformed to be coming in the United Kingdom and Ireland on April 19, 2021 which is seen in the description of the sneak peek which since the sneak peak is from one of Nickelodeon's official page I assumed it would be a good enough source I have left some other sources but if you do not like those can you please get back to me because of the fact I am trying to update it properly I also realized that for the YouTube video link to be able to watch it you need to be in the UK or have a VPN but without either you can still look in the description of the video to see it conformed on when it is being released in the UK and Ireland it will becoming to the US later this as conformed by Sarah Nauta but because it is not conformed when it is coming in the US that is why the US was not listed but it is conformed to be releasing in the UK and Ireland on April 19, 2021 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.112.126 (talk) 14:29, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just start by reading User talk:IJBall#Hunter Street season 4. Bottom line: Your edits are problematic for a whole bunch of reasons, starting with a bunch of unverified casting stuff that your "source" couldn't possibly verify anyway. And Nauta is just an actress – we can't take her word for anything, as she doesn't "control" the show: we need the TV network or a showrunner for that. As I said on my Talk page, we should just wait for the show to actually premiere in the UK, and then we can add something to a 'Broadcast' section to that effect, esp. if we can find a secondary source that reports the UK premiere date. But the casting stuff will have to be confirmed later, by crediting in the episodes. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:34, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The casting stuff is from who was in the intro and the show's poster that was released and how is there official page not credible but I am quitting except with the show being over I went to your page on it and got the blooming media page showing the show is not over but the rest of this I am quitting because I want to make Wikipedia a reliable place while clearly some people don't want anything they don't agree with but that is it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.112.126 (talk) 14:48, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It obviously wasn't, as the discussion on my Talk page shows – only three people were main credited in the season #4 premiere, and figuring out who is "recurring" from the end credits of one episode is impossible. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The fourth season has literally began airing in the UK...why does it say the show ended in 2019?
Are you daft?! Why don't you try reading the topic above this one? – What we are looking for is a solid secondary source confirming the premiere in the UK. (Another source confirming the end date and the number of episode is probably also necessary here.) So far, no one has really been able to produce one. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:58, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You at least had source about premiere on april 19. There was no reason to delete all information about season 4, and back information than show was ended in 2019. Lado85 (talk) 13:51, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Season 4 is officialy released, but on this page series ended in 2019 after season 3. You warned me, but no Amaury, who continiues deleting information without any explanation. He is ignoring discuss on talk page, ignoring my message on his talk page, but he isn't warned. Why? Lado85 (talk) 16:43, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) @MPFitz1968: That shouldn't even be needed. Lado85 should be blocked for disruptive editing, as they have no consensus for their edits. We've had issues with this editor before, who can't even bother to read why they're wrong here in the discussion above, when they kept inserting the series finale date for School of Rock before reliable sources reported it. Amaury • 16:46, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not me, you should be blocked. Why do you remove sourced information? I added source for each episode release date. There is officialy four seasons, but in your version series ended after season 3 in 2019. Lado85 (talk) 16:51, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not explaining myself again. Maybe try actually reading what's been said above on why we can't include this (yet). In any case, you've been around here long enough to know how to follow WP:BRD. Amaury • 16:55, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. About sources. Provide one, that confirms series was ended in 2019 after three seasons. Your version is wrong and unsourced. Lado85 (talk) 17:06, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Per the previous discussion at User talk:IJBall/Archive 35#Hunter Street season 4, it's clear at this point that season 4 is a real thing, but it's just much harder (specifically for us) since there is virtually nothing regarding it in the U.S. (I would be surprised at this point if it even started to air on TeenNick, but hey, Crashletes was on hiatus April 2017 - February 2019...)
Obviously I could be a bit wrong or missing sources (haven't check in sometime for any new ones), but I would personally say at this point, the best sources for the episode titles would likely be Radio Times and this Prime Video page. Unfortunately, it looks like Radio Times is only listing the dates of upcoming airings (not original airdates), and I'm not quite sure what the dates listed on that Prime Video page are, but as I had said, "An Unexpected Guest" apparently premiered in the UK on April 19- so might need to do some more digging to get a source for original UK airdates.
Interesting to note that the episodes are all listed on On TV Tonight for Australia ([2])- says they're available to watch on Binge tomorrow/today (depending on timezone, lol). Can't 100% confirm or check episodes if they are actually up, since I'm in the U.S, but if true, could help lead to some more sources (specifically possibly Australian sources). Magitroopa (talk) 18:17, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, my guess is that season #4 will go directly to Paramount+ at some point... (Can anyone confirm if Paramount+ is carrying the first three seasons of Hunter Street right now?) In terms of sources for the UK airings, it is unfortunate if Radio Times doesn't maintain an "episode guide" in the same way that TV Guide does. If that is the case, while I would prefer a "TV Guide"-like source for the air dates, Amazon Prime Video (UK site?) would probably be an acceptable source for airdates for a series/season that has already aired. But, to be clear: we definitely need sourcing for episode titles and air dates and number of episodes in the season (these are not covered under WP:PRIMARY). In terms of "main/recurring" cast, we are probably stuck with relying on UK editors who have seen the show/checked the credits. But I don't believe the latter can be added until we get some sourcing for episode titles/air dates/number of episodes for season #4. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:27, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A few things:
I do have Paramount+ (but don't use it on a daily basis- still planning to soon check out the new SpongeBob movie & Kamp Koral) so if you're ever looking for someone to confirm credits for something or what is actually listed, feel free to ask me, lol. It appears they were added in April, but checking it right now, all 70 episodes (excluding "Clued In: A Hunter Street Special") are available to watch on P+.
What appears to be Canadian listings for it on Apple TV has episode titles- but again, nothing regarding airdates
From what I'm seeing through most of these sources is that S4 is 20 episodes, ending with "Showdown" (description seems to indicate it is the season finale as well- "In a final epic showdown in the tunnels under Hunter House, the Hunters must stop Miss Lucas before she brainwashes the whole of Amsterdam."
The episode 1 full episode sneak peek I had previously mentioned on Nickelodeon UK's YouTube channel is no longer available to watch, but the credits of the episode (yes, still just the 1) can still be checked here. Magitroopa (talk) 18:42, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So, the Amazon Prime airdates from the source above do not reflect a "April 19" premiere date. What should we do? – Should we just go with the Amazon Prime airdates? (That would seem to be the correct solution, as per WP:V and WP:Verifiability, not truth, as I think we have no other source for the April 19 date...) 20:17, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
Didn't notice until now- the descriptions on that Prime page says YTV (3 of them say Nickelodeon instead) so I'm inclined to believe that these are either the the airdates of the episode in Canada, or the Prime Video release/addition dates (in Canada). Magitroopa (talk) 20:28, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think there should be a "Amazon Prime UK" site (I was alluding to this up-thread), but I don't know if we in the U.S. will have access to it. But if we can find that, that is what I would use for UK air dates... If that doesn't exist, we may be stuck with the Canadian airdates, because I don't think we can use a "schedule grid website" like Lado85 was trying to use – I don't think that's kosher for WP:V. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:33, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OK, there is a specific Amazon Prime site for the UK, but it does not have "season #4": [3] (I believe this batch of episodes is the last half of season #3...). Or, if it's there, it's not showing it to me because I'm in the U.S. Based on this, I think we are stuck with using the Canadian airdates, etc. with the Apple TV Amazon Prime (Canada?) source, as it's the only thing we've got for WP:V. We'll just have to label the airdates column "Canadian air dates" in the episodes table. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:41, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Does anyone have a decent source for the April 19 premiere date in the UK, besides that schedule grid site? Magitroopa? As the first country in which season #4 premiered, that definitely should be listed in a 'Broadcast' section even if we end up not going with the UK airdates in the episodes table. But I reiterate again that I have never seen a "schedule grid site" used to source episode air dates before (esp. one that's not of the calibre of, say, Zap2It as a "quality source"), and I don't think we should start. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:51, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, at this point- I think thismight one of the best sources currently for the UK S4 premiere date(????). Can't be used as a source, but writer Diane Whitley's Twitter also helps to at least confirm the premiere date.
While I know it can't be used as a source, writer Danny Spring's Twitter seems to indicate that season 4 began airing in Canada on May 3- I'd assume it depends on timezone differences so May 2/3/4 would be the Canadian premiere date, which helps confirm the Prime Video page. Another I know we can't use, but according to this fan account, it seems like the S4 finale aired in the UK around May 20 (again, depends on time zones likely). Also seems like the season premiered around May 17 in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland. Magitroopa (talk) 23:24, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Huh, hadn't checked the Zap2it page. Interesting to see that S4 is listed with the UK airdates. Certainly that can be used as a source, but some of your recent edits need to be cleaned up a bit... (such as 'Start date' template not being used for dates, unsourced production codes, and some other stuff). Magitroopa (talk) 17:16, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Amaury stop vandalizing page.
"Main" cast is who is shown in the front credits *only* (before opening).
Sarah Nauta, Padraig Turley, Alyssa Guerrouche and Reiky de Valk aren't in front credits in season 4.
Loveday Smith (Diane) appears in season 4, why areyou deleting this? Lado85 (talk) 10:14, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not going to discuss anything with you, when you're the one being disruptive and accusing me of vandalism. The onus of discussion is on you, in any case, per WP:STATUSQUO. Amaury • 10:23, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Why are you adding recurring actors in main cast? This is vandalism. Why didn't you had rteaction when Antek.antek97 changed this on October 31 without any explanation? Same edits was reverted on September 28 by IJBall. There was an stil is consensus about this. Lado85 (talk) 10:27, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have no comments on the other edits, as I have not viewed season #4 of the show (and don't intend to). But I oppose adding a cast table here – generally a bad idea for shows that run less than 5 seasons – and a cast listing and or a 'Cast and characters' list with summaries works better here. Also, you are not supposed to include 'recurring' cast in cast tables at TV series base articles as per MOS:TVCAST. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:03, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Magitroopa may be able to confirm the credits, and I would go farther and just oppose cast and character tables, period. Likewise with season articles. Amaury • 20:31, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
IJBall There is no characters names in credits at all. Only names in opening, that isn't credits. Main credits is before opening. An what about recurring cast? They are credited in end credits, actor only. If some characters are listed with surnames, why others could not be list with them?
And you have deleted more then half of recurring cast. Lado85 (talk) 13:09, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and "recurring cast" would go by their "common name" on the show – i.e. the name they are predominantly referred to. This doesn't mean you include the surname if it is mentioned on screen only once or twice: they have to be commonly referred to by first and last name together to justify listing both. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:54, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Can someone please explain why the show that only has Netherlands in Country of origin has "American television shows" categories? @Amaury: This also applies to the list of episodes and I would appreciate it if you could give a more detailed answer than just "No". Solidest (talk) 15:35, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
