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Zastave

Molim te ne vadi zastave iz bivših igrača u čalncima o klubovima jer tu baš mogu zastave da se koriste jer ti igrači igraju za te zemlje, pa prema MOSFLAG tu mogu da stoje. I molim te prema pravilima, ono za ime na ćirilici ostavi u template Lang-sr-cyr tako treba. FkpCascais (talk) 23:56, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Cyrillic in lede

Samo da ti kažem da je prema MOS uvek preporučljivo koristiti template za jezik, pa te molim da ga ne menjaš u link za Serbian Cyrillic, nego čak ako vidiš negde link da ga pretvaraš u { {Lang-sr-cyr| } }. FkpCascais (talk) 21:02, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

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Zašto neki editori ovde i ja kopamo po knjigama i arhivama da nalazimo i popunjavamo podatke o predratnom periodu koji se veoma teško nalaze i onda dodješ i baciš sve to u djubre kao št si uradio ovde ? FkpCascais (talk) 22:36, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Upozorenje

Sledeći put da te vidim da izbacuješ reference kao što si uradio ovde traži ću da te blokiraju. Pun mi je krac više da idem iza tebe I da vraćam stvari. FkpCascais (talk) 17:21, 25 July 2015 (UTC) Je li ti razmišljaš tom glavom da ako neko dodje na članak I vidi tamo podatke golove I nastupe I ne vidi reference da će da izbriše sve, a možda I naimenuje članak za brisanje jer nema reference za nastupe u prvoj ligi? Je li misliš nekad o tome? Da zbog tvog glupog edita može to da se desi? Zašto misliš da su drugi stavljali tu reference, šta si ti pametniji ood drugih pa misliš da ne treba referenca, ko je jebe jel, I nju I glupe editore što su je dodavali. FkpCascais (talk) 17:24, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Pazi ovo, sad ti dune pa izbacuješ kategoriju Serbian footballers... Pa dobro bre zašto? Svi srpski fudbaleri imaju tu kategoriju, to je da bi se znao broj Srpskih fudbalera sa člankom na vikpediji. Šta si ti mislio da ako ima "Serbian expatriate footballers" onda ne treba "Serbian footballers"? Treba. Hoće li doći jedan dan a da ti nešto ne vadiš iz članaka bez potrebe? FkpCascais (talk) 03:16, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Jaao pa ti si to vadio mnogima... I vadiš godine iz youth career... jao koji ti ti posao praviš zboog jebenog vadjenja informacija FkpCascais (talk) 03:22, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Druze, lep recnik imas, ali ajde da probam da odgovorim na sve pridike. Prvo, kategoriju "Serbian footballers" izbacujem samo igracima koji su nastupali za reprezentativne selekcije, te su samim tim vec smesteni u tu kategoriju kroz odgovarajuce podkategorije za nacionalne selekcije (Serbia interational footballers, Olympic, under-21 and youth). Drugo, godine za klupske mladje selekcije izbacujem samo igracima kod kojih nema pouzdanih izvora, kao sto su njihove izjave ili podaci na klupskim sajtovima. Neretko se moze naici na lazne informacije, gde bilo ko izmisli i stavi izmisljene godine (npr. stave da je igrac poceo sa 10 godina u nekom klubu i igrao tamo do 18-e). Eto toliko, a ipak mislim da sam odradio solidan posao za mnoge artikle, a sto je najaznije to su i 99% tacne informacije. Aj uzdravlje!

Shvatio sam da kategorije izbacuješ u tom slučaju, ali to opet nije pravilo ovde, naprotiv, ostavljaju se kategorije. Napao sam te jer vidim da mnogo voliš da čistiš i izbacuješ a u većini slučaja nema baš nikakve koristi od toga. One trenere BSK-a (odnosno OFK-e) me strašno iznerviralo. Znaš i sam koliko malo podataka postoji o predratnom fudbalu, svi su još na spisku sa izvorima nabrojani, a ti dodješ i pola ih izbrišeš. Problem je što može da niko ne primeti da si izbacio, i ostanu ceo rad i trud bačeni u đubre. Srbijafudbal.net ugašene linkove brišeš, ali administrator sajta nekad reaktivira te stare strane, a oni su jedini izvor iz naše lige za period pre 2009 (od 2009. ima soccerway). Pa ako ima makar ugašeni link srbijefudbal znamo odakle su statistike uzete (trebalo je stavljati na svakom linku dodatak "retrieved tad i tad"). Bolje da svi radimo na tome da kompletiramo članke o našem fudbalu nego da brišemo stvari i ostavljamo otvoren put još daljem brisanju negde čak i da se ugase neki. Pozdrav FkpCascais (talk) 19:05, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I dalje izbacuješ izvore iz članaka

Ovde sam ih vratio evo pogledaj. Zar ne vidiš da kad si zbacio B92 i mackolik.com, onda si mogao i da izbrišeš celu mu karijeru i statistiku jer su sa tvojim brisanjem tih izvora ostali UNSOURCED? B92 je jedan od retkih slučaja gde mi je dozvoljeno da ga koristim kao izvor, jer je na toj strani prepisana statistika igrača izvađena iz godišnjaka, tako da kad vidiš ove linkove nemoj da ih vadiš, a niti mackolik.com koji je odličan sajt za tursku ligu. FkpCascais (talk) 14:24, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Everton Bilher

Soccerway kaže da je igrao u Gloriji Buzau na pozajmici, što si mu izvadio to iz članka, misliš da to nije bio on ili zbog nekog drugog razloga? FkpCascais (talk) 18:35, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Serbian footballers category

Is being applied for the Yugoslav period as well, just as all other nationalities for that same period are. If you want to change that, please open a discussion about it and till then stop removing the category. FkpCascais (talk) 23:53, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

The thing about templates was that till recently most didnt used the word "Profile" and some still dont such as NFT or FIFA, but Soccerway and others seems to use it now, so OK. When we use an external link, for exemple, as article from some website, we usually add only the article title at the link (like this: [ "LJubimac Grobara i Zvezdin dželat na Banjici" ] at Sportski žurnal ) and not [ "LJubimac Grobara i Zvezdin dželat na Banjici" article ] at Sportski žurnal. But it is OK, saying "Albert Nađ profile at Soccerway" or just "Albert Nađ at Soccerway" is really the same. Sorry for that one. FkpCascais (talk) 17:51, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

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Razmišljanje

Primećujem neke stvari, i mislim da je red da ti se i ja obratim. Trebalo bi da pišem na engleskom, ali mislim da je bolje da ove interne stvari rešavamo lokalno. Ukoliko bi izvršio introspekciju, da li smatraš da su baš sve izmene koje napraviš konstruktivne? Vidim da se dosta fokusiraš na redirect stranica, ali ti ne dajem za pravo ovo što si uradio sa Bačkom. Situacija oko njihovog imena je malo složenija, plus i to što što je Bačka geografska oblast i logično je da postoji više klubova nazvanih po njoj. Razmisli još jednom da li je ovo pametno, s obzirom na to da je recimo subotička Bačka 1901 najstariji klub u Srbiji, a da je letos osnovan i klub OFK Bačka 1945. Zamisli koliku pometnju može da napravi to kada ime skratiš i napišeš samo Bačka. U redu, argument je da si linkovao stranicu, ali sam siguran da si primetio da određeni sajtovi kopiraju sadržaj sa drugih strana uključujući wikipediju. Međutim, stvori se određena zabuna, ukoliko im nije jasno o kom se klubu radi, onda to površno urade i neretko ubace pogrešan klub. A ljudi ipak imaju više poverenja čak i u transfermarkt nego u wikipediju, jer su svesni da ovde sadržaj može da menja svako, dok je na TM to ipak drugačije. I sada ti, pod pretpostavkom da radiš nešto revolucionarno promeniš ime strani i još u infoboksu igrača skratiš. Preporučujem ti da, zbog gore navedenih razloga, to više ne radiš. OK, od ove sezone zaista nastupaju pod tim imenom, ali sve do ovog leta je postojao spor oko imena kluba. Čak i ranije, klub se naravno zvanično nije zvao FK Bačka Bačka Palanka, već samo "FK Bačka", dok ostatak služi kao odredbenica da bi se razlikovala od ostalih klubova sa istim imenom. Kao na primer "FK Radnički" (Pirot, Niš, Bajmok...) Radnički Kragujevac je nešto drugo s obzirom na to da su više puta menjali ime u prethodnih 10 godina, što iz finansijskih razloga, što zbog fuzije sa Šumadijom, tako da se zvanično zove "FK Radnički 1923". Zato je možda trebalo da ostaviš ime kluba bar u obliku OFK Bačka Bačka Palanka. I još nešto, postoje pravila na wikipediji i normalno je poštovati ih, međutim kada su stvari vezane za srpski fudbal u pitanju, mislim da ih opet mi najbolje poznajemo. Zato je bolje da se dogovorimo oko nekih stvari i da zajednički donesemo predlog da se nešto promeni, ukoliko postoji potreba za tim, jer smo imak mi oni koji najbolje poznaju prilike u srpskom fudbalu. Ako svi teramo inat jedni drugima, sumnjam da možemo nešto dobro da postignemo. Ovo uostalom i pišemo da bi neko imao šta da pročita, ne samo da bi tek bilo napisano. Izvini na opširnoj tezi i smarajećem stilu! Nadam se odgovoru i pohvale za uloženi trud! Lotom (talk) 12:00, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

U ovom slučaju sam se vodio primerom NK Istra (u infobox-u Istra) i NK Istra 1961 (Istra 1961). Oba ta kluba su čak i osnovana iste godine, ali se tačno zna ko je ko kad se stavi Istra, odnosno Istra 1961. Isto tako, najčešće se ne koristi ime grada (Pula) kada se pominju ovi klubovi. Takođe, Bačka Bačka Palanka ne samo da nije zvanično ime kluba, nego i izgleda nezgrapno po mom mišljenju. Uglavnom, nemam ništa protiv da se vrati stari naziv, ali mislim da nije najsrećnije rešenje.

Neka stoji ovako zasad, jesi se malo zaleteo, ali suštinski naziv jeste taj. Da vidimo kako će da se razvija situacija na tabeli, ispratimo politiku kluba i odziv ljudi na promene, pa ćemo lako da promenimo ukoliko bude potrebe. Nezgrapno svakako jeste i ja sam saglasan sa tim, najradije bih pisao samo Bačka Palanka, ali se onda tek gubi poenta. Jedino što smatram da je najbolje da se onde ne skraćuje naziv kluba nigde, već da se piše baš ovako "OFK Bačka". Lotom (talk) 19:40, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Honours section sources

Kao Boga te molim da ne vadiš izvore u "Honours" section igračima kao što si recimo uradio ovde. Vidiš da je svaki honour imao izvor (tako treba) a ti si skinuo izvore. Jedna grupa starijih editora, među njima i administratori brišu sve honorse koji nemaju izvor. Primer: OVDE. Mi se često trudimo da soursujemo sve titule a ti ih iz neobjašnjivog razloga neprimetno skineš, i onda dođe neki admin i izbriše celu sekciju. Totalno ne produktivno. Molim te da ne skidaš izvore sa pojedinačnih titula i štaviše ako vidiš da negde fale, dodaj ih. Lak način za soursoranje titula su soccerway i national-football-teams.com koji imaju titule napisane u članku igrača. Pozdrav! FkpCascais (talk) 02:40, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Izvori

Pazi ovako, sve pohvale zaista za sređivanje članaka koje niko ne dira već duži period. Mene lično mrzi da to uređujem, tako da u slučaju tih starih artikala koje želim da sredim uglavnom "presvučem" sve, jer mi je tako lakše. Međutim, ono što mi izrazito bode oči i nisam jedini je način na koji se odnosiš prema izvorima i sekcijama članaka. Vidim da srbijafudbal iz reference menjaš u spoljni izvor i to mi se takođe ne sviđa. Znam da ti ovako izgleda lepše upakovano, ali manje je konstruktivno, veruj mi. Po slobodi ti se obraćam bez persiranja, jer se trudim da gađam u suštinu i da izbegnem ono "dužno poštovanje". Zašto je manje konstruktivno? Objasniću. Kada dodaješ kao referencu, nekako je logično da dodaš i datum. Samim tim, čitalac ima uvid u to kada je izvor dodat i sam može da izvuče neki zaključak, ukoliko link ne bude živ u tom trenutku. Dalje, ima bolji pregled jer je tekst direktno pokriven izvorom, a i referenca ima veći značaj od tih doadatnih izvora. Dalje, trofeji i statistike treba da budu pokriveni izvorima. U suprotnom vrlo lako neko može da prebriše sve to jer nema direktan izvor uz samu sekciju. Ono što je krucijalno i na ovo ti posebno skrećem pažnju je kredibilitet i validnost samih izvora. U situacijama gde imaš nekoliko izvora koji se ne poklapaju 100%, savetujem ti da pratiš logički sled. Tu računam propozicije, disciplinu i učinak igrača. Isto, to što ti, ja ili neko treći ne nalazimo neke podatke, ne znači da oni ne postoje, već je moguće da neko zna nešto što mi ne znamo. U tim slučajevima, možda nije loše u članku dodati da fali izvor i/ili u odeljku za razgovor napomenuti šta je nejasno ili šta nedostaje. Ja, recimo, u slučajevima gde dva izvora kontradiktorna često ubacim oba, ali dodam i napomenu. I to je opet tema za diskusiju koliko je pametno, ali mi se čini kao najbolja solucija. Imaš situaciju gde je soccerway umesto Miloša Stojanovića u utakmici protiv Zemuna ubacio Uroša Stojanovića. Imamo, srećom, zvanične zapisnike pa se lako može utvrditi greška. Takođe, pomešali su Nemanju i Nikolu Miletića u kraljevačkoj Slogi. Istina, Nikola Miletić jeste proveo neko vreme u klubu, ali je bio povređen i nije nastupao. Tako da sve utakmice koje su njemu pripisane na soccerway-u, ustvari su nastupi Nemanje Miletića. (Konfuzija inače potekla sa sajta prvaligasrbije.com) Ovakav način razmišljanja isto može da predstavlja problem prilikom uređivanja ostalih članaka. Većina sajtova funkcioniše na "copy-paste" principu. Ja sam malo veći ekstrem pa sa strane vodim i neku svoju statistiku, tako da na kraju sezona obično pravim preseke i gledam šta se poklapa, a šta ne. Transfermarkt nije u potpunosti pouzdan za pripisivanje pozicija, pa nije poželjno previše se oslanjati na njega, primer i zašto. Filipović je recimo na evropskom prvenstvu igrao štopera u paru sa Veljkovićem. U Jagodini je igrao svašta. CM/CB/LB/RB/DM, a možda čak i LM. Zato ovakva kategorizacija nije poželjna. Darko Puškarić je od ofanzivnog veznog stigao do štopera, slično je bilo i sa Le Tallec-om. Ovde je NFT zamenio pozicije Ćirkoviću i Gobeljiću. I jedan i drugi su tokom karijere nastupali na skoro svim pozicijama sem golmanske, pa je zbog toga i došlo do zabune. Pratim njihove seniorske karijere od početka, to se negde poklapa sa mojim počecima na Wiki. Moj problem možda jeste što ponekad volim da "ispravljam krive Drine", ali mislim da je to bolje od oslanjanja na pogrešne navode. Suština svega navedenog se odnosi na to da je cilj bilo koje enciklopedije taj da iz nje može da se nešto pročita i nauči. Ovde imaš i primer lika koji je oslonivši se na soccerway zapeo da menja sve(t). Ruku na srce, postojala je vest na zvaničnom sajtu Radničkog o njegovom pristupanju, ali od toga nije bilo ništa. Pretpostavljam iz razloga što im je napadač bio potreban hitno, a njemu je prethodno već propao inostrani transfer. Kasnije je objavljena vest o prelasku u Radnik iz Surdulice, ali kako je Vojvodinu dobio na arbitraži relativno skoro, papire je zvanično preneo tek pre nekoliko dana.Lotom (talk) 01:10, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Reflist|4

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Nenad Đorđević

Ovde je statistički prikaz početka njegove karijere. I generalno, za veći broj igrača koji su rođeni 70-ih i početkom 80-ih, a koji su igrali u saveznim ligama krajem 90-ih možeš naći na ovom domenu. Kanije Srbijafudbal. Lotom (talk) 12:50, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Ti podaci (12/2 u sezoni 97/98) za Zemun su izmišljeni, što se može proveriti ovde. Čak nije sigurno da je uopšte bio u klubu, jer nisam našao nijednu njegovu izjavu o tom periodu.

Pa pazi, nije nemoguće, ali ako je već bio u omladincima, rekao bih da ima smisla. A vrlo lako može da se desi da nije igrao za omladince jer je tada imao 18 godina. U to vreme je, čini mi se, to bila granica. Danas je 19 godina i to je promenjeno pre nekoliko godina. Ranije su igrači imali pravo da nastupaju kao omladinci jednu sezonu. Na blogove i nije baš pametno oslanjati se jer su često površni.

Ono što ja ne mogu da iskopam je statistika za Pavkova u Bačkom Petrovcu. Neko tendenciozno ubacuje 24/10, ali ja zaista nemam predstavu o toj sezoni. Sudeći po rangu takmičenja i tome da je verovatno proveo celu sezonu tamo, ni to nije nemoguće.

A što se ovoga tiče, ne mogu ništa da trvdim jer ne znam. Ja se potrudim da izbunarim apsolutno sve informacije koje su mi dostupne, ali je pitanje koliki je njihov kredibilitet. Poslednje što želim je rat izmenama jer to ne vodi nikuda, a i nemam argumente ni za ni protiv. Zato sam ti i pisao jer se sećam izmene koje si napravio ovde. dekisa.tripod.com i srbijafudbal.com su pretpostavljam isti sajtovi samo se vremenom menjao izgled, naziv i domen. Grešaka ima, ali nam je to uglavnom jedini izvor za rane sezone i niže lige. Ja imam neku statistiku za ovu i prethodnu sezonu, ali nemam sve i dosta doga je nekompletno. Ovde sam na osnovu toga dodao statistiku za Čurug, ali bez izvora. Pošto isti ne postoji, možda po okončanju sezone da okačim neki pdf za ceo tim. Lotom (talk) 19:00, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Ljubiša Ranković

I fill outed his club career based on French , Russian and Ukrain wiki. But I also think your edition is more accurate, except his korean club career.

Ranković played for Ilhwa Chunm from october 1995 to november 1996. I had source and I remember that. I am South Korean and I was K League fan at that time,

I changed the other country's wiki based on your edition. Anyway Can you check out Ljubiša Ranković career again on other countries wiki?

Especially, Russian wiki and Ukrain wiki said he had south korean citizenship. But it's not ture. But I can't correct them

[Russian Wiki]

[Ukrain Wiki]

[French Wiki]

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