User talk:Διήων

November 2024

Hello, I'm MrOllie. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles should be written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. MrOllie (talk) 12:32, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's your personal opinion and I will restore the article. You cannot say that the page of the university and the publications from academia are not neutral or independent sources. Διήων (talk) 15:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent editing history at Lyre shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. MrOllie (talk) 16:57, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, Διήων. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for article subjects for more information. We ask that you:

avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
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In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicizing, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. MrOllie (talk) 13:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, mrOllie this assumption of yours came up after my reference to the article about the ancient Greek lyre in the modern world. I don't understand how posting documented data is a reason to be accused of a conflict of interest, especially when there is no substantial counter-argument as the information i cite can easily be validated through the links i have posted in the article. There is nothing promotional and I posted it as a musician that is enthusiast about the greek antiquity. Διήων (talk) 16:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Simple yes or no question: Are you associated with Xanthoulis or the Democritus University of Thrace? MrOllie (talk) 16:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No I am not, but you understand that this is a ridiculous question with no validity, right? I could understand your problem with my edits if I was promoting a product or a service but in this case it's just stateting that the ancient Greek lyre is revived and that the three things that any musical instrument need to be recognised in musicology terms are there: An academic program, a learning method and a repertoir. Διήων (talk) 16:43, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If there is no conflict of interest, how did you come to take the photographs you uploaded at File:Firstcirclegraduatesdelphi.jpg, and File:NikosXanthoulisLyreBlackBackground.jpg, both of which you tagged as your own work? MrOllie (talk) 16:46, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i already replied that I found them online in facebook and i asked permision to post them, do a reverse image search yourself and you will find it out.. Διήων (talk) 16:54, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lyre

Hi there! I'd like to discuss the content you keep reinserting onto Lyre. It's really cool that an ancient instrument is being revived, but I'm not sure that the amount of information you're including is proportional to what's available. Are there any other universities offering classes? Anyone else performing with it? Any news articles about it? I'm interested in learning more, but it needs to be from a variety of sources, and right now everything looks to be related to Dr. Xanthoulis. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 16:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@NekoKatsun hello there I am more than happy to provide more on the subject, since I find it fascinating. Mr Xanthoulis is the man that revived the lyre and he is doing a lot to support the revival so it's normal to have a lot of information related to him. I will post here more information regarding the ancient greek lyre in the modern world so you can check it out. Διήων (talk) 17:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! It seems weird to me that none of this is actually mentioned on Xanthoulis' page, too. Is there anyone else teaching or composing for the instrument?

Thing is, for Wikipedia, information needs multiple sources, and needs secondary sources. This would be something like a news article mentioning the academic articles, or talking about the importance of the lyre's revival. Do you have anything like that? I had a look through what you've included on the lyre page and it looks liked mostly primary sources (from the school, from Xanthoulis, etc). This is part of why you're getting pushback about the information.

If you wouldn't mind, I also started a conversation on Talk:Lyre where everyone can communicate in one place. I can see that you've been reverted by multiple editors (including me), so typically at this point you'd want to start the conversation so everyone can explain their reasoning, and we can all come up with a version of the article we agree on. It'd be great if you could chime in there, and I'm looking forward to any other information you might have! NekoKatsun (nyaa) 17:32, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]