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Scratchpad

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Temporary stuff

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Useful stuff

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diff1, diff2

Boilerplate

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Bio stub starter

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{{in use}}
{{under construction}}
{{Use British English}}
{{Use dmy dates}}
'''''' ( {{subst:ndash}} ) is/was a [nationality] ...

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==

*{{official website|}}

{{authority control}}

{{subst:L|||}}
[[Category:]]

{{-bio-stub}}

MP starter

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{{in use}}
{{under construction}}
{{Use British English}}
{{Use dmy dates}}
''' ''' is a British xxx party politician elected as [[Member of Parliament]] for [[[xxx (UK Parliament constituency)|]] in the [[2024 United Kingdom general election|general election]] held on 4 July 2024.<ref></ref>

==References==
{{reflist}}

== External links ==
*{{Official website| }}
*{{UK MP links
| parliament =
| publicwhip =
| theywork =
}}


{{s-start}}
 {{s-par|uk}}
 {{s-bef|before=[[xxx]]}}
 {{s-ttl|title=[[Member of Parliament (United Kingdom)|Member of Parliament]]<br>for [[xxx (UK Parliament constituency)|xxx]]|years=[[2024 United Kingdom general election|2024]]–present}}
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{{Authority control}}
{{DEFAULTSORT:xxx, xxx}}
Category:xxxx births
Category:Living people
Category:Politicians from xxx
Category:People from xxx
Category:21st-century British politicians
Category:21st-century British women politicians
Category:UK MPs 2024–present
Category:xxx Party (UK) MPs for English constituencies
Category:Female members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom for English constituencies
Category:Alumni of xxx

Messages

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  • Stubs:
Thank you for your recent edit to [[ ]], but please take care not to add {{tl|stub}} to an article which already has a specific stub tag, and remember that all stub tags go at the foot of the article, not the top - see [[WP:ORDER]]. Thanks. ~~~~
  • Navigation:
Hallo, Thank you for creating [[ ]]. When you create an article like this with a "disambiguated" title, please make sure that the reader can find it from the basic name (ie [[ ]]), by adding or expanding a hatnote, or adding the article to a disambiguation page. This helps the reader to find the new article, and also reduces the chance of a future careless editor creating a duplicate article with a slightly different disambiguator. I've fixed this one. Thanks, and Happy Editing. ~~~~
  • Subst:L
There is a very easy way to add the DEFAULTSORT (so the article files by surname in lists), and Category:Living people where appropriate, and any birth or death date category: {{subst:L|1882|1984|Brown, Annie}} would create {{DEFAULTSORT:Brown, Annie}}, Category:1882 births and Category:1984 deaths, while {{subst:L|||Smith, Jane}} would create {{DEFAULTSORT:Smith, Jane}}, Category:Living people and Category:Date of birth missing (living people). Lack of death date implies "living" (or you can add "unknown" or "missing" as the death date to suppress this). You get a lot done for a few keystrokes: I think it's a great little template. Happy Editing.
  • Dab pages
Please take care not to link to disambiguation pages: check that all your links go to the page you intended.
There is an easy way to avoid linking to disambiguation pages: if you go to "Preferences", "Gadgets", and look under "Appearance" you'll see "Display links to disambiguation pages in orange" towards the bottom of the section. Select that tickbox, and whenever you Preview a page you'll be able to see whether you've accidentally linked to a disambiguation page. Thanks, and Happy Editing. ~~~~
  • Dab page talk pages:
Hallo, Please don't create disambiguation page talk pages like [[Talk:xxx]] where there is no "talk" content. The disambiguation WikiProject knows about all disambiguation pages and doesn't need the banner to alert them, and creating the page just means that someone working on the dab page sees that there is a dab page and might feel they need to check it in case the discussion there is relevant to what they're doing, so creating the talk page is not only unnecessary but actually unhelpful.
See the template documentation at {{tl|WikiProject Disambiguation}}, which explicitly says {{tq|Please do not use this template solely to create talk pages that otherwise have no content}}. Thanks.
  • <ref name="gledhill">{{cite book |last1=Gledhill |first1=D. |title=The names of plants |date=1985 |publisher=Cambridge University Press |isbn=0521305497 |page=nn}}</ref>
  • BUAs
<ref name="ons">{{cite web |title=2011 Built-up Areas - Methodology and Guidance |url=https://www.nomisweb.co.uk/articles/ref/builtupareas_userguidance.pdf |publisher=Office for National Statistics |access-date= |date=2013}}</ref>

Post-by-election footers

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== External links ==

*{{UK MP links | parliament = | hansardcurr = | hansard = | publicwhip = | theywork = | record = | journalisted = }}

{{s-start}}
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 {{s-bef|before=[[xxx]]}}
 {{s-ttl|title=[[Member of Parliament (United Kingdom)|Member of Parliament]]<br>for [[xxx (UK Parliament constituency)|Wellingborough]]|years=[[2024 xxx by-election|2024]]–present}}
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{{Authority control}}
{{DEFAULTSORT:xxx, xxx}}
Category:xxxx births
Category:Living people
Category:Politicians from xxx

Category:21st-century British politicians
Category:21st-century British women politicians
Category:UK MPs 2019–present
Category:xxx Party (UK) MPs for English constituencies
Category:Female members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom for English constituencies
Category:Alumni of xxx

Templates

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{{subst:anchor|Anchor name}}
{{Art UK bio}} or {{Art UK bio|id=de-marees-georges-16971776|name=George de Marées}}
{{birth based on age as of date |age |year|month|day|noage=1|mos=1}}
  • Cite... access:
|url-access=subscription
|display-authors=2 (lists 2 authors and "et al")
{{Cite ODNB|id=ODNB article number|title=ODNB article name}}
|order=flip
|disp=sqbr (to use within a quote)
240|x|20 (for two dimensions)
use as {{cvt}} for abbreviated units
{{coord|50.9724|-3.9251|region:GB_type:city|display=title}}
See Template:Coord#type:T for choice of types including "city" (cities, towns, villages, hamlets, suburbs, subdivisions, neighborhoods, and other human settlements (including unincorporated and/or abandoned ones) with unspecified population),"city (pop)" (as before, with known pop), "edu", "forest", "isle", "landmark (buildings (including churches, factories, museums, theatres, and power plants but excluding schools and railway stations), caves, cemeteries, cultural landmarks, geologic faults, headlands, intersections, mines, ranches, roads, structures (including antennas, bridges, castles, dams, lighthouses, monuments, and stadiums), tourist attractions, valleys, and other points of interest ), "mountain", "railwaystation", "river", "waterbody" etc and precision guidelines
{{Copied|from=|from_oldid=|to=|to_diff=}}
always use {{subst:Format ISBN|}}
{{Genuki|county=|parishname|parish-url|placename}}
{{ill|English article title|language code|Title in foreign language}} add |v=ib if in an infobox
{{London Gazette |issue= |date= |page= |supp=y }}
{{National Heritage List for England|num=1188692|desc=Southgate Underground station|grade=II*|access-date= }}
{{NOMIS2011|id=1170215054|title=Silverdale Parish|accessdate=21 May 2020}}
{{Old XfD multi |date = |result = '''keep''' |page = [pagename] }}
{{Post-nominals|country=GBR}}
eg {{Post-nominals|country=GBR|MBE|MP}}
  • {{Refer}} - must use as {{subst:refer}}
  • {{snd}} - spaced n dash, for dates in different years (etc: see MOS:DATERANGE)
  • {{srt}} - Self-reference tool - adds "intitle" and "lookfrom" in the "See also" of a dab page
{{srt}}
also {{srt|dab}}, {{srt|surname}}, etc
  • {{Sronly}} to add hidden text for screenreaders as table captions
  • {{ubl}}
  • {{ubl}} or {{Unbulleted list}}

Checklist for article maintenance

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  • Is it still there? If moved, are the incoming links etc all sorted out (and DEFAULTSORT updated)?
  • Check links in refs and ELs - find archived versions if need be
  • {{Use dmy dates}} and {{Use British English}} where appropriate
  • Check for incoming redirects (or hatnotes or dab page entries) from all plausible variations of title
  • {{Coords}}: (1) Precision, (2) "region:GB_type:landmark" or as appropriate
  • Grammar and spelling etc
  • Categories: any to add?
  • Talk page: check for appropriate project banners

Other stuff

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{{User sandbox}}

Historical draft, 2023

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First: DoB says "Only under exceptional circumstances should PamD post to my talkpage say in certain discussions but not every edit or removing I make.". In 2023 I have posted to their talk page on 7 occasions, outlined above. They have made over 2000 edits in that time. They edit largely on UK places and railway stations, which are topics I find interesting (unlike sportspeople, musicians, films, tv episodes and a lot of other articles in the encyclopedia) and on which I can edit with confidence (unlike most scientific, medical, historic, classical, etc topics). I know from experience that if I cast an eye down their recent contributions and look at one or two major edits or article creations I'm likely to find ways to improve the encyclopedia: sometimes tweaking the grammar of a non-sentence, sometimes fixing well-meaning but inaccurate editing, and in subject areas of interest.

There are several aspects of DoB's editing which I disagree with, but where I don't comment or revert. They seem to prefer the lead paragraph of an article on a place to be a mechanical listing of local authority areas, without any description which gives the spirit of a place. They removed "university town" from the lead of Aberystwyth recently: I was glad to see that another editor reinstated it. They regularly remove the words "large" or "small" from the lead, citing WP:SUBJECTIVE: that section is headed "Describing aesthetic opinions and reputations" and seems to be about critical terms about artistic works, rather than broad quantitative descriptions on which most editors would agree. I note that an example in the guidelines at WP:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements starts "Chew Stoke is a small village andcivil parish ...", suggesting that "large" or "small" is accepted as good style: we also have Featured Articles such as Little Thetford. They also tend to remove chunks of long-standing, uncontroversial, text, without first tagging it with {{cn}} to give the creating editors or other interested parties an opportunity to see the tag and respond. Once content is deleted, those editors' work is lost, on the decision of one editor. To me, that is damaging to the encyclopedia. I keep well away from DoB's lengthy discussions about the status of Salford (despite being the great-grand-daughter of one of its Aldermen), the use of historic counties, choice of images in collages of images (well, I think I sorted one out a while ago when the captions were muddled), etc.

But if you look at those contributions I've made to their talk page this year I've offered constructive comments on how to do things, I've objected when readers were deprived of access to good sourced content (by the construction of a minimal article replacing a redirect which pointed to better existing content - I remedied the situation by copying, with attribution, to improve the stub DoB had started), I've pointed out how to fix the situation DoB didn't like (km being shown before miles) when DoB's attempt had left a location moved by 9 miles from its correct location. Since this discussion began, I've not posted on their talk page but I've quietly rescued Park Gate from being, according to DoB "to the east of Portsmouth, west of Southampton and north of Winchester, Andover and Basingstoke" (for those unfamiliar with UK geography, compare the previous text they decided to change, which said "Park Gate has become a base for commuting East to Portsmouth, West to Southampton and North to Winchester, Andover and Basingstoke."), and I've moved their newly-created Skellingthorpe (Great Northern Railway) railway station to Skellingthorpe railway station (Great Northern Railway) as specified by Wikipedia:Naming conventions (UK stations) (though perhaps it should be Skellingthorpe railway station (GNR): I've enquired.

I will stay off DoB's talk page, except to point out serious errors - but I think I'm doing so at present. I shall stop offering helpful advice (eg about how to avoid creating links to disambiguation pages). But will anyone else out there try to help this editor to avoid making mistakes like those in Whitney-on-Wye and Park Gate? It's been a while since they created a new article and left it in this state, but I'm not sure they wouldn't do it again (the blue map showing the church as being out at sea being a particularly intriguing feature: I'm not sure they check the results of their editing).

I am by nature chatty, and keen to share information. If I hadn't explained how I landed on the Whitney-on-Wye page (and, you can imagine, I wish now that I hadn't), this would not have blown up like this. I don't think I've used the word "careless" on DoB's talk page recently.

I worry about the state of our precious encyclopedia, and its future. There are an increasing mnumber of articles, and no corresponding increase in the number of active editors. We say "Oh, someone will notice any bad edits and revert them", but I wonder how many articles are on the watch lists of active editors? Aberystwyth seems to be, as someone reverted DoB's removal of "university town" from its lead description. Was anyone watching Witney-on-Wye or Park Gate? A while back I came across the word "bibliometric" which I didn't understand, in that context, in Elizabeth Gaskell: it led me to discover the mercifully short editing career of an editor with an overworked spell-checker and a poor grasp of various policies, who had well-intentionedly damaged a wide range of articles: very few of his edits had been picked up and corrected. In that Gaskell edit he had "corrected" the word "bibliomemoir", along with "correcting" dialect language within quotes, introducing US spelling, and a few more problems in that one article. Not all of them had been picked up by watchers of that page, on a major novelist. I found many more problems ("changed to night bombing" becoming "changed tonight bombing", etc), cleaned them up, and reported him to ANI but was laughed out of court as he wasn't currently active. No-one had watched those pages, or cared enough about them to correct mistakes. Sad.

I have found that casting an eye over DoB's contributions list, hovering my mouse over some of the diffs, is, sadly, an efficient way to find some errors in UK articles. Even his most recent edit: Yes, it was good to add "England" to the lead, and reasonable to remove "affluent" as an unsourced term, but they forgot that "an" needed to become "a" so they left the lead as "Westbourne is an residential and shopping area of Bournemouth, ...". (I've fixed it.) DoB needs to remember, please, to check their edits. Before moving on to another article, pause and read this one: did the edit leave it grammatical, does the article mean what it ought to mean, do any links go to the right pages (and not to disambiguation pages).

Evidence presented by PamD at BHG/Smallcat Arbcom 2023

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Smallcat appears to be being misinterpreted

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WP:SMALLCAT previously redirected to Wikipedia:Overcategorization#Small with no potential for growth, and this section was split on 17 July 2023 to form Wikipedia:Overcategorization/Small with no potential for growth. The title is significant.

A group of categories were nominated for deletion/merging on 25 June 2023, on the grounds that "Per WP:SmallCat since each of these has less than 4 members."

SMALLCAT makes no mention of any numeric limit, and the only categories it deprecates ("Avoid ...") are those which "by their very definition, will never have more than a few members" (its examples include Category:Husbands of Elizabeth Taylor), and even then it makes exceptions for categories which are "part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme". The second, clarificatory, paragraph goes on to point out "a category which does have realistic potential for growth, such as a category for holders of a notable political office, may be kept even if only a small number of its articles actually exist at the present time."

The categories being proposed for merging in that CfD were a group of cats relating to Northern Ireland, such as Category:Geneticists from Northern Ireland. Clearly, this is not a category which "will never have more than a few members": it is open-ended, and we can assume that there will be future notable geneticists from Northern Ireland. It has "potential for growth".

But even if, implausibly, the study of genetics in the country had ceased so that the group was not going to expand, it is part of a large accepted sub-categorization scheme: it sits alongside Category:English geneticists, Category:Scottish geneticists, and Category:Welsh geneticists as child categories of Category:British geneticists, itself a child of Category:Geneticists by nationality.

Thus SMALLCAT provides no basis on which to nominate this and similar categories for merging/deletion. I contributed to the CfD discussion on 25 June, before things started to escalate, to oppose the merger of those categories which were clearly part of existing hierarchies (basically, those where there were already English, Scottish and/or Welsh parallel categories) and said I was neutral about the others where there might be other factors to consider.

The misinterpretation of SMALLCAT is a key part of the context of this case. PamD 16:29, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Possible future projects

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Ongoing

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The Museum of Curiosity

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Great Lives

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https://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/aug/19/hunters-snow-daisy-hildyard-review

Laurie Stras

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Hunt Hill

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Audrey Carpenter, Audrey T. Carpenter

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Wigelsworth, Jeffrey R.  Metascience; Dordrecht Vol. 22, Iss. 1, (Mar 2013): 181-184. DOI:10.1007/s11016-012-9694-x


Williamsons linoleum

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World Education Fellowship / New Education Fellowship

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John Disley Award

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  • Paula Ratcliffe etc

Fiona Rayment, Fiona Elizabeth Rayment

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Anne Youngson

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Lynne Brydon

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Rose Celli or Anne Rothschild or Rabiatou Njoya

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Jane Davies Evans

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Daisy Hildyard

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Suzanne Joinson

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  • writer ,Reader at U Chichester

Andrew Crummy updates

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See edit history

Stand & Be Counted / Stand and Be Counted / SBC Theatre Company

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Women in the Hills or Women in the hills

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Sue Kent

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Frances Maria Knight

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Vanessa Toulmin

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Leila Chebbi

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Ann Armstrong / Doris Page

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POSSUM / POSM / Patient Operated Selector Mechanism

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Valentine Friedli

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Dana Gooley

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  • Musicologist, much cited

Canal Laureate

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Red Book of Appin

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Emmanuelle Passegué

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Daisy Hildyard

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Natasha Brown (writer)

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Safiya Kamaria Kinshasa

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Danielle Westerhof

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Daniel Gray (writer) (or similar title)

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Imogen Hermes Gower

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Tim Lamont aka Tim Gordon (scientist) (or similar)

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Jay Mistry

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Poppy Holman

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Emel Esin

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Draft in progress (commented out)

Beth Morrey

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Dig at Udal

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Ben England

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ADCI Literary Prize

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Dirigible Balloon

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Jamie O'Connell

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Elena Arevalo Melville

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1996 Wishaw E. coli outbreak

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Fieri Consort

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Elizabeth David-Barrett

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Fire, Rope and Liberty

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Kester Aspden

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Alan Mattingly

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Maggie Semple

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Bradford School of Art

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Vicky Robinson

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Nicolas Kynaston

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Neil McLachlan

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Brit List

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Bernth Lindfors

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  • Writer on Ira Aldridge etc

List of fictional English counties

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  • Its contents, commented out:

Winter Papers

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  • Irish literary annual
  • redlink

Arnold "Jerry" Tiehm Arnold Tiehm, Arnold G. Tiehm

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Marion Arnold or Marion I. Arnold

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Playwrights

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Margaret Flockton Award

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Debra Craine

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Georgia Lewis Anderson

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Iesha Small

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  • R4, writer, SHS?

James Yunge-Bateman / John Erskine Yunge-Bateman

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Alexandra (company)

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Barry Farrimond / Open Up Music

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Alexandra Adams

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blind deaf medical student

Marsha Prescod

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Dance World Cup

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Celia Kitzinger

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Only included in double article at present

Philip Abrams (sociologist)

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  • "BSA Philip Abrams Memorial Prize". British Sociological Association. Retrieved 26 November 2018.
  • Aston, T.H. (1 February 1982). "Philip Abrams 1933-1981". Past & Present. 94 (1): 158. doi:10.1093/past/94.1.158. Retrieved 26 November 2018.
  • https://www.jstor.org/stable/2505082?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
  • https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0038038582016001002
  • https://issuu.com/communicationsoffice/docs/50th_anniversary_-_sass/13
  • https://www.dur.ac.uk/sociology/50th/bsajournals/
  • https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/w/a/l/Paul-Walman/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0007.html
  • https://www.methodspace.com/an-interview-with-mark-abrams-1906-1994/ (father)

Bennett Opie (ginger etc)

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Washing Day - stub needs improvement

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Phyllis Colson

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Michael Honeyman

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Rachel Armstrong (architecture)

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Leeds Mechanics Institute

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Deborah Coles

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Royal Institutes Galleries

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Kirkstall Grange

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Harsha Shukla

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Chanda Vyas  ?

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Stephen Sartarelli

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Add more Montalbano translations

ACWW /WI /Song of peace/ PfF

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Arts Council Major Partner Museums

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List?


Jo Hampson

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/yourbusiness/2926321/Starting-out.html


Willie Riley

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Expand, and/or add more to Silverdale article re him.

Windyridge - possibly expand

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Lindeth

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Currently redirects to Warton with Lindeth

Honeyman

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List of named revolutions

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compare to: Revolution (disambiguation) and List of revolutions and rebellions

Think how to handle synonyms

Think what cols or sections - date, place?

Revolution Production
Black Revolution Petroleum Production
Blue Revolution Fish Production
Brown Revolution Leather/non-conventional(India)/Cocoa production
Golden Fibre Revolution Jute Production
Golden Revolution Overall Horticulture development/Honey Production
Green Revolution Food grain (Cereals, Wheat &Leguminous plant) production
Grey Revolution Fertilizer Revolution & Significant increase in IT industries as well as IT products
Pink Revolution Onion production/Pharmaceutical (India)/Prawn production
Red Revolution Meat & Tomato Production
Round Revolution Potato Revolution
Silver Fiber Revolution Cotton Revolution
Silver Revolution Egg/Poultry Production
White Revolution Milk/Dairy production
Yellow Revoution Oil Seeds production
Evergreen Revolution increase in productivity in perpetuity,without ecological harm
  • Velvet/Gentle

Months, flowers, countries/ethnicities, colours, seasons, dates, other Excludes: titles of books or other media inc videogames; sports teams, companies, brands, concepts where "revolution" means rotating rather than changing.

Oddments

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Category:People stubs

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  • 18 Dec 2013: 1033. Have sorted all those with bracketed dab.
  • 19 Dec: 963. Done all from P to Robin. Next is Roger of Salerno.
  • 19 Dec: 919. None left with P, Q, R. Had a rather silly day of it.
  • 20 Dec: 917 (done a couple). None with PQR, none with brackets.
  • 20 Dec 887, after sorting out the bishops with AWB
  • 20 Dec 872, sorted out saints
  • 23 Dec 832, working through some of the S's. No sign of any additions
  • 2014: 3 Jan 834, after I've fixed half a dozen with bracketed dabs
  • 6 Jan 815, after clearing out the Os.
  • 6 Jan 799, starting on S
  • 6 Jan 776, after more work
  • 8 Jan 681, after fixing those needing defaultsort and using AWB for Irish
  • 8 Jan 575, after AWB for Parliament and all the Ns
  • 10 Jan 473, cleared out Ts, and all single-word entries
  • 10 Jan 440, cleared out U, V, Y, Z: only W is left after M
  • 13 Jan 299, nothing beyond M, starting on A: cleared 3 new items too
  • 15 Jan 350, new ones being added, cleared some of them, no As, done some Bs
  • 17 Jan 229, all Bs and Cs done: only D, F, G, H, J, K, L, M.
  • 17 Jan 194, all the Ds done, now fits onto one display page. For the moment.
  • 18 Jan 147, all the Fs done.
  • 20 Jan 99, all the Gs and some Hs done, not officially a backlog.
  • 21 Jan 71 - the end is in sight?
  • 21 Jan 64 - only KLM now, plus trickle of incoming
  • 21 Jan 43 - most of Ks done
  • 22 Jan 0, zero, empty. For how long?
  • 22 Jan, 10pm: still zero
  • 24 Jan, 1am: 2 from AfC, sorted
  • 24 Jan, 8am: 1 from AfC
  • 25 Jan: 5, sorted
  • 26 Jan: 4, sorted
  • 27 Jan: 5, sorted
  • 28 Jan: 4, sorted
  • 29 Jan: 4, sorted
  • 4 Feb: 23, 4 sorted, +2
  • 5 Feb: Empty: someone else has sorted them. Excellent. Wonder who? Will relax about this category now.
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/Missing dab links Experiment: 100 random pages from AWB; how many with bracketed disambiguation don't have a link from base name:

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Roads

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A65 - find a photo or two

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