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Protection???

I can't see why this image should be Protected? I would understand a semi-protection to keep it out of the hands of IP's but a complete protection bars all but 3 of WP:FRANCE's members. Please make it only a semi-protect. Chris DHDR 19:39, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You should make a request at the WP:RFPP for unprotection. Anyway I was trying to add the Coat of Arms of France[Image:Armoiries république française.svg] to the template, next to the portal. If done correctly it would look like this this --VartanM (talk) 03:49, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Request additions to template

I could do it myself, but I would like to request permission to add separate assessment parameters for a work group for Saint Pierre and Miquelon. In so doing, I would also ensure that the FL class would be added, and that in fact all 15 of the quality classes be added to the banner. John Carter (talk) 21:49, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps there should be a general "oversease départements" taskforce? Before that happens, might I suggest that someone actually implements the importance tag for this Project? With 50k articles, a one-dimensional assessment regime isn't particularly helpful - and there's about 2500 articles that already have importance tags even though they don't currently display on the template. FlagSteward (talk) 19:17, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Could be done, although I think of all the major inhabited overseas departments already have established task forces of the regional parent project, whose banners give assessments for the subproject and France as well. Saint Pierre and Miquelon is the only one that doesn't have an extant "regional" or "continental" parent project. But give me a few minutes to set it up, and then tell me if User:John Carter/France looks acceptable. It should be visible in use at User talk:John Carter/France. John Carter (talk) 21:12, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good stuff. If we're going to have all the options listed on the template page like 5-part B assessment (which to be honest I'm not a huge fan of, it sets the bar for B too high) and even if we're not, an innerHTML "Show" drop down would be useful. On SP&M, it's tempting to say that if people "expect" to find the territories in regional projects, then maybe SP&M should join Bermuda as an honorary member of the Caribbean? But to be honest I would expect to find all the main Wiki organisations for handling French territories as part of the France project. Maybe that's because I know enough to know that they're not independent countries, but it seems the natural way to organise them to me. So I'd be tempted just to make provision for Martinique, Réunion etc to give people the option if nothing else. On the other hand, I think that having taskforce importances is an unnecessary complication that could just confuse people - just use the main Project importance, it may not be perfect but it's good enough for setting priorities. FlagSteward (talk) 12:49, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Categories broken

See eg Talk:List of Appellation d'Origine Contrôlée wines - you've omitted the opening [[ on the Category link for some of the classes such as List, Dab, Cat and so on. FlagSteward (talk) 01:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done, as far as I can tell. Gimmetrow 02:56, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Use?

Could the class parameter be split into two different parameters:

{{{class}}} which could be stub, good, feat, etc and
{{{namespace}}} which could be article/main (default), template, image, etc.

This would greatly help with pages like Image talk:Au Clair de la Lune (1860).ogg where I tried, in vain, to fix the problem by putting two {{{class}}} parameters. We could even put other {{{namespace}}} possibilities such as list or sound. Chris DHDR 07:32, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Visibility

I can't seem to make the importance attribute appear as part of the rendering of the template. See Sartre and Antoine de la Sale. Is this intentional? I though it used to be there. Mcewan (talk) 12:27, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Minor change

{{editprotected}} Could the noinclude section at the bottom be changed from:

<noinclude>
{{pp-template|small=yes}}
{{intricate template}}
== Usage == __NOTOC__
{{Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Project banner}}

[[Category:WikiProject France|{{PAGENAME}}]]
[[Category:WikiProject banners|France]]
</noinclude>

to

<noinclude>
{{pp-template|small=yes}}
{{intricate template}
{{documentation|1=Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Project banner|content=
== Usage == __NOTOC__
{{Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Project banner}}
}}
[[Category:WikiProject France|{{PAGENAME}}]]
[[Category:WikiProject banners|France]]
</noinclude>

Thanks, -- WOSlinker (talk) 20:19, 30 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:56, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Update Unassessed category?

{{edit protected}} Would you change the Unassessed-Class category to Category:Unassessed France articles, so that the # of unassessed pages will display correctly in the AbQ template at the Category:France articles by quality page? Thanks. --Funandtrvl (talk) 07:01, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. This template could do with being updated with {{WPBM}}. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:17, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

image parameter

{{edit protected}} Could you please edit the image parameter so that it places the article in Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in France to match Template:reqphoto destination and not Category:France articles needing photos which does not exist. --Traveler100 (talk) 12:19, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done — Tivedshambo (t/c) 13:47, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

B-Class checklist for C-Class?

Shouldn't the B-Class checklist also be available for C-Class articles?--Oneiros (talk) 22:01, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit protected

{{editprotected}} Please add Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Saint Pierre and Miquelon work group to the TF switches.

|tf 3={{{Saint Pierre and Miquelon|}}}
  |TF_3_LINK            = Wikipedia:WikiProject France/Saint Pierre and Miquelon work group
  |TF_3_NAME            = the Saint Pierre and Miquelon work group
  |TF_3_IMAGE           = Flag of Saint-Pierre and Miquelon.svg
  |TF_3_QUALITY         = yes
  |tf 3 importance={{{Saint Pierre and Miquelon-importance|}}}
  |TF_3_ASSESSMENT_CAT  = Saint Pierre and Miquelon articles
  |TF_3_MAIN_CAT  = Saint Pierre and Miquelon articles

76.66.200.95 (talk) 11:24, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done Now for the documentation. Favonian (talk) 12:35, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Adding fr & es interwikis

Hello. Is it possible to add this interwiki code at the end of the noinclude section:

[[es:Plantilla:WP Francia]]
[[fr:Modèle:Wikiprojet France]]

Thanks. — Bjung (talk) 03:46, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 9 June 2014

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

"40x40px" redirects to "Logo_de_la_République_française.svg", a image that has no existence anymore. Kindly replace/remove it. OccultZone (Talk) 12:31, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Removed it for now, until a replacement image is agreed on. SiBr₄ (talk) 12:40, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Quality scale

@MSGJ: I am still waiting for that discussion you wanted. What would you like to discuss about having a quality scale subpage and/or better importance assessment for the subproject? Are you going to rate all the pages in Category:Unknown-importance Saint Pierre and Miquelon articles ( 49 ) now? --awkwafaba (📥) 11:43, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Awkwafaba: MSGJ does not mean that they want to discuss with you; but that you need to show that the members of WikiProject France discussed and approved this edit before you carried it out. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:42, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Redrose64:, MSGJ knows that there was not a discussion. They kept prevaricating around the bush on my talk page. Let’s not talk about talking about having a discussion. Tell me what the concerns are. And btw, under WP:BOLD it only says template changes should be considered for discussion, which i did. And the normal path of bold-revert-discuss brings us to… --awkwafaba (📥) 23:03, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is what WP:BOLD#Template namespace says: One must be especially careful when being bold with templates: updating them can have far reaching consequences because one change can affect lots of pages at once. ... Before editing templates, consider proposing any changes on the associated talk pages and announcing the proposed change on pages of appropriate WikiProjects. I see no evidence of this occurring either here or at WT:WikiProject France (and I've checked back through the last three years of threads on that page). Your own talk page is not an appropriate venue. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 06:54, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Redrose64: i’m glad we both agree that it says consider, but I’m confused why you think I did not. Also, is this page an appropriate venue? I am still waiting for the actual discussion, and not an argument over semantics. I cannot go back in time. The changes have already been reverted. Let’s have a discussion already. I have already asked a few questions above, and MSGJ gave the impression they had many pressing concerns. Let’s hear them. Let’s discuss them. --awkwafaba (📥) 12:36, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It’s been a week, with no concerns raised, other than a discussion needed to have an opportunity to happen. I consider that opportunity to have been realised, and will re-implement the changes as there are no objections. --awkwafaba (📥) 12:35, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This page has very few watchers - only 20, of which just four are presently active; whereas WT:WikiProject France has more than 180. I see no discussion at that page, nor even any evidence that you posted there directing them to this thread. Indeed, the most recent non-archive edit there is this, more than two weeks ago, which is completely unrelated. If you fail to inform people, it's no surprise that they're not commenting. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:55, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Redrose64: you keep moving the goalposts, but sure. --awkwafaba (📥) 12:30, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I came here from Wikiproject France. awkwafaba - what does the template edit do? Redrose - what is the problem with it? Newystats (talk) 19:34, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Newystats: The problem is that Awkwafaba pushed through their proposed change without first seeking the consensus of WikiProject France. They were reverted by MSGJ (talk · contribs), but have since pushed it through a second time, again without consensus. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:02, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Newystats: thank you for asking a substantive question instead of just discussing semantics. I basically changed the Quality scale from "extended" to the subpage, which you can see at Template:WikiProject France/class. Basically that has a few more categories, like FM and Redirect, and clears out the NA class category a bit. Not really a big change. Additionally, I set it up so that if no importance is specified for a subproject (like the Saint Pierre and Miquelon work group) it will use the one specified for the parent project. But that's only if none is specified for the work group. So like I said, not big changes, even though they affected a bunch of pages. Do you have any input? --awkwafaba (📥) 23:49, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds fine to me. Newystats (talk) 01:46, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Commune argument

It appears that is no longer viewed as an accepted parameter, which may have created as many as 36,000 entries in Category:Pages using WikiProject France with unknown parameters. Does this need a bot to delete the parameter? Naraht (talk) 13:55, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also commune-importance and auto parameters seem to be broken. I don't see that commune is broken, as it doesn't appear in a preview of some entries in the category mentioned above. --ZandDev (msg) 18:48, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]