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RfC about the colour schemes used for professional wrestling navigational templates

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Consensus is to revert to default for this template. The suggestion was made to apply this to all professional wrestling templates, but as there wasn't much engagement with the idea I can't say it has consensus. — Czello 17:00, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I would welcome a view on the colour schemes used in various professional wrestling navigational templates. I've added the RfC here but there are many more examples, e.g. as seen here and here.

There's an increasing tendency for editors to add idiosyncratic colour schemes, some of them very vividly coloured, to these templates. I have concerned that this may be causing some issues with reference to the below points:

I would welcome views from the community on whether or not these colour schemes are potentially creating issues. McPhail (talk) 13:29, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • As I expressed in the previous discussion, I'm against colour schemes in infoboxes and I think the default always works better. Ultimately I compromised in the last debate in regards to WWE's colour scheme, as a less garish version was proposed, but I'm still in favour of reverting to the default in all instances. As for this specific infobox: I think the bright blue and bright yellow together is rather ugly and makes my eyes hurt. Also, the "WCW" on the left is barely even readable; it absolutely goes against MOS:ACCESS. I definitely think it needs to change. — Czello 13:41, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have to agree with the above. Accessibility needs to be prioritized over current trends. The default color scheme has had more of an opportunity to prove its accessibility to people with visual disabilities and has a curb cut effect for people without colored screens. (Summoned by bot) I dream of horses (Contribs) Please notify me if replying off my talk page. Thank you. 15:09, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is almost never a reason to play with color schemes. The template this is attached to is meaningfully less legible due to the lower contrast of mustard on blue. Playing with color schemes for graphic design reasons on an individual template is nearly never acceptable. All of these should be reverted to default. (Summoned by bot) Hipocrite (talk) 15:31, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • First, I've informed WT:WCAG. To the main question: colour schemes, where used, should respect WP:CONTRAST. Unfortunately, the problem described here is not specific to WCW, but affects almost all sports navboxes, particularly those related to sports teams. I understand why they want to use the team colours: but it is possible to produce a navbox that uses plenty of colour yet is entirely accessibility compliant, by confining the colour to areas without text, of which the borders are among the easiest to set up. Either the top and bottom borders, or the side borders, may be coloured, or both. As examples, consider the navboxes at the bottom of Rachel Treweek or Baker Street tube station. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:31, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Another good example of a pop of color without diminishing legibility would be in a lot of our Japanese broadcasting tables, e.g. the yellow on Japan FM Network. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 16:49, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The navboxes there use the default colors, none of which are yellow. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:48, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I meant the tables (which also sometimes get colored in with team colors on sports pages)... Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:05, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The coloring here is pretty bad (same with many of the professional wrestling templates). Borders are definitely better than background and text colouring, but still there really should a strong reason to deviate from the default. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:46, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question While OP did say "various professional wrestling navigational templates", and gave a couple of examples, I just want to be clear about the scope of this RfC. Can we agree it covers all pro wrestling templates? — Czello 07:02, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd be happy to remove all additional colours from infoboxes, and just have standard ones. Matching the colours of another organisation seems bizarre Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:32, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • This RfC hasn't had any additional comments in a week, and consensus appears to be in reverting to the default. Are we happy to close this? — Czello 16:48, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'd support reverting to the default - but is this in regards to all professional wrestling templates? Just conscious this will effect a lot of articles. McPhail (talk) 18:23, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • I did notify the wikiproject of this discussion after I suggested it should affect all templates -- but I'm aware we've not had much engagement from that, so I'm unsure. Perhaps a separate RfC should start on the Wikiproject if we want it to take effect universally. — Czello 07:21, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • yes, we should use the default coloring to avoid the issues identified above. Frietjes (talk) 15:14, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Does the previous discussion apply to Global Tag League winners pages?

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Does the previous discussion apply to Global Tag League winners pages, including Template:Global Tag League, Template:Champion Carnival, and Template:World Tag Team Championship (WWE)? HHH Pedrigree believes that it does. IP User 67.249.36.13, whom I am notifying on their talk page, believes it does not, and this user also keeps introducing linty markup with improperly nested <span>...</span> tags. Let's resolve this. —Anomalocaris (talk) 21:08, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I might have improperly nested the <span> tags (I'm still adapting to Wikipedia's internal code and I'm better at graphic design compared to coding websites), although from a design standpoint, it's the proper use of colour and the text can still be properly read. When I hover over the text, Wikipedia has a pop-up conveniently previewing the article.

An example of this would be the WWE Network on Peacock. When I hover over the white texts on an appropriately coloured background, Peacock has a little animation showing it's a selectable option, as does Wikipedia's preview pop-up. It allows casual users to know it's a clickable page.

White text or similar shades of white are acceptable for links when placed against a different colour, as long as they can be read and there's no conflict of contrast, which will allow both people with good vision and those with poor vision to read it fine. Those with colourblindness can still make out the different shades, and an example would be with the red AJPW background and the green NOAH background. While both would look like different greens to the user, the user would know that they are separate banners given the distinct shade tones of the green. 67.249.36.13 (talk) 21:53, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • There's no good reason to change the colour schemes and very good reasons to keep the existing ones (accessibility). The RFC was strongly in favour of reverting to/preserving the default colour scheme; this should not be changed without the backing of a new RFC. McPhail (talk) 22:05, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Is this as per Wikipedia's RFC's for all articles? That would make more sense to me. I first saw the coloured navboxes in other wrestler pages (specifically the WWE, ECW and NJPW navboxes), thinking it was normal to have colours for all the promotions. That's why I initially decided to make them for WCW, AJPW, NOAH, etc. as well, having seen other people do it. To me, it looked like they were missing colours as a designer. 67.249.36.13 (talk) 23:17, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, When I saw the discussion (I didn't participated, but I read it), It was clear users are against colours in the navboxes. I saw Czello changing the colour of this template but no others, so I tought he was bussy. I think this discussion includes other navboxes as well. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 22:54, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Also, while one navbox doesn't hurt, for some wrestlers can be a little bit annoying, like [1] [2] --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 22:58, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I made the suggestion that this apply to all pro wrestling templates, but as I said in the hat note, there wasn't much engagement with the idea. Only McPhail really agreed. Therefore, I can't say it has consensus. That said, I am in favour of removing it from all templates, but you might need a separate RfC for that (preferably on the Wikiproject page). — Czello 06:56, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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