Template talk:Infobox former subdivision/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Display on template page

I've made an edit to bring over the change we made to decrease the prominence of the native names on Template:Infobox former country (see the discussion). Doing so here works perfectly well in the dozen or so articles I've checked that transclude this template, but they have broken how the template is displayed on its own page.

I can't see what it could be that is causing that problem, however. As it's 2am here and I have things to do tomorrow (and as it's not actually affecting anything in the Article namespace, as far as I can see), could someone take a look at the diff to see what I did to break it, please?

Thanks! — OwenBlacker (Talk) 02:19, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

nested includeonly tags. Frietjes (talk) 18:58, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

@Frietjes: Thank you! :o) — OwenBlacker (Talk) 20:47, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Start date

The start date should not be mandatory; in some cases, we don't know it Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:08, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

True, wouldn't this go for the end date as well? Jimp 08:36, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Deprecate {{{year_start}}} and {{{year_end}}}

It's unnecessary to have both {{{year_start}}} and {{{date_start}}}. {{{date_start}}} by itself would do. Likewise for {{{year_end}}} and {{{date_end}}}. Jimp 08:36, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Olonets Governorate

In Olonets Governorate, this template generates a link to Coat of arms of Karelia, which is (a) a DAB page and (b) irrelevant. The arms are those of Olonets Governorate itself, as File:Coat of Arms of Olonets gubernia (Russian empire).png makes clear. Narky Blert (talk) 15:37, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Narky Blert, I changed it to link to the file. feel free to change the link. Frietjes (talk) 16:16, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

@Frietjes: Yet more speedy service! (I never like to meddle in complex templates, for fear of bringing the whole thing crashing down.) Narky Blert (talk) 16:19, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:Infobox historic subdivision

Template:Infobox historic subdivision has been nominated for merging with Template:Infobox former subdivision. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Timmyshin (talk) 01:14, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Flag caption beside flag rather than beneath?

Is there a reason why the caption of flags is shown beside the flag image rather than below it when there is no coat of arms? As an example see the article on the Ukrainian People's Republic of Soviets. -Thespündragon 14:32, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 28 June 2019

Please disambiguate a wikilink as in this sandbox edit. (President has been moved to President (government title); President is now a disambiguation page.) I have added Cisplatina to the testcases to demonstrate the effect. Certes (talk) 07:06, 28 June 2019 (UTC) Certes (talk) 07:06, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

 Done DannyS712 (talk) 16:02, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 3 December 2019

Replace:

| header7      = {{#if:{{{national_anthem|}}}|[[National anthem|Anthem]]}}

With:

| header7      = {{#if:{{{national_anthem|}}}|[[Regional anthem|Anthem]]}}

Since this infobox deals with subdivisions and not sovereign states. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 18:17, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

@Illegitimate Barrister: But the parameter is "national anthem"... DannyS712 (talk) 18:52, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

There are apparently only 20 articles that use this parameter. Perhaps someone could look at them to determine if the parameter is being used correctly. It would be easy to rename the parameter to "regional_anthem" or just "anthem" in these 20 articles (and in the template code) if that is the best course of action. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:57, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. Primefac (talk) 01:49, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Consensus for templates is only required for controversial edits. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 17:37, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

I object to this change. we should really rename the parameter and change the label rather than just changing the label. Frietjes (talk) 17:56, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Wouldn't renaming the parameter just break it on the pages that use it? – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 18:59, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

see above. Frietjes (talk) 19:11, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

In that case, I concur with @Jonesey95:'s suggestion and now hereby propose replacing:

| header7      = {{#if:{{{national_anthem|}}}|[[National anthem|Anthem]]}}

With:

| header7      = {{#if:{{{anthem|}}}|[[Regional anthem|Anthem]]}}

Either that or just merge this into the Template:Infobox former country template. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 19:37, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

now updated, pages requiring update will show up in Category:Pages using infobox former subdivision with unknown parameters with a warning in "show preview" mode. Frietjes (talk) 20:01, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Very well, much thanks. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 20:06, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Date format

The use of the date and year fields causes problems when dates are in American format, because there is no comma between the date and year as there should be. this solution at New Mexico Territory seems really hacky. Graham87 05:53, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Hrm... I suppose we could add in a {{date}} call to have it better format the result when both |date_start= and |year_start= are used. Primefac (talk) 15:37, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

title_leader not working

Hi, there seems to be a problem with the template. "title_leader" and "leader1" are not being displayed - see State of Madura. Any guidance would be appreciated. Regards Davidelit (Talk) 09:31, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

In order to display |leader1= you need to have |year_leader1= set. Primefac (talk) 13:03, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

@Primefac: Thank you. Davidelit (Talk) 13:36, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Image_coat2

Currently the infobox supports multiple flags but not multiple coats of arms, can this also be added? --Donald Trung (talk) 09:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

That is weird, in the current infobox there is only one "Image_flag =" parameter but it allows for multiple flags to be listed, why doesn't this also work for coats of arms? --Donald Trung (talk) 06:48, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Not sure if anyone is watching this page, but this is an edit request, as this already currently works for flags and not coats of arms, meaning that if a country subdivision changes coats of arms or has two (2) that it can't be listed in the current infobox, meanwhile this is not an issue for the template for former countries. --Donald Trung (talk) 09:23, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 10 May 2021

Hoàng triều Cương thổ (皇朝疆土) Domaine de la Couronne
Collection of autonomous territories of the State of Vietnam (a part of French Indochina until 1954)
1950–1955
National flag and Imperial standard Coat of arms and Imperial seal
History
• Established	1950
• Disestablished	1955

For whatever reason the second coat of arms is not properly loading, can someone fix that? It does show two flags. --Donald Trung (talk) 10:13, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

| other_symbol

Can someplace please add the parameter for "Other symbol" to this template like already exists for the "Former country" template? This would be handy for former country Subdivisions which both had a coat of arms and an emblem and/or seal. --Donald Trung (talk) 14:17, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

• @GKFX:, as you recently edited this template could you add this parameter? --Donald Trung (talk) 13:06, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 10 April 2022

History section of the infobox is not displaying any information and it seems like it was commented out in the source of this template. --Deoma12^(Talk) 03:31, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Could you give an example of where this template isn't displaying properly? Primefac (talk) 12:10, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

See for example Fergana Oblast and Caucasus Governorate, history is not showing properly. Also this can be seen in the infobox example above under the 10 May 2021 edit request. Mellk (talk) 10:15, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 22 July 2023

Could language fields be supported in some form? An editor (Nederlandse Leeuw) attempted to document official languages of Socialist Autonomous Province of Kosovo but used a workaround (entered it in a deputy field) that doesn't look or work great. Thank you! –Vipz (talk) 01:59, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes, please! I tried all sorts of things, and eventually I had to come up with this imperfect workaround in order to state languages in the infobox. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 06:11, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please make your requested changes to the template's sandbox first; see WP:TESTCASES. Izno (talk) 01:02, 26 July 2023 (UTC)