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Rename "Taco Chains"

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Do you think "Taco Chains" should be renamed "Mexican Chains?" Many of them sell much more than just Tacos. I know many burger chains sell much more than just burgers, but some of the chains in this list are much more well-known for their burritos than for their tacos. --Toadaron (talk) 21:08, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How about Tex-Mex? Most are not really Mexican, but Texican. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 21:42, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
One of the earlier edits didn't think Tex-Mex was a proper phrase, which is incorrect. But anyway, I've changed it to "Mexican-style food" which is more inclusive. 98.197.249.31 (talk) 06:44, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mexican-Style vs. Tex-Mex

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Mexican-style food is not restricted to just pure Mexican food. I would argue that Tex-Mex (which is of course itself distinct from Mexican food) is a subcategory of Mexican-style food. "Mexican-style" is, basically, defined as "Mexican cuisine outside of Mexico" in Wiki's own article about it, so I think it's more broadly inclusive than just Tex-Mex. Also, if you follow the links to a number of the restaurants listed, they are described as serving Mexican-style food instead of Tex-Mex. I think it would be better to categorize these restaurants as Mexican-Style rather than Tex-Mex. 98.197.249.31 (talk) 18:13, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the brands are not Mexican, but Tex-Mex even though they claim to be Mexican. The foods these chains serve does not resemble real Mexican food. What many in the United States consider to be Mexican is in fact Texican. Read the Tex-Mex article and you will see this.--Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 20:46, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm well aware of the difference between Mexican and Tex-Mex foods (check my IP's location if you wish). What I'm saying is that the addition of the "-style" modifier makes "Mexican-style" useful as a descriptor of the pseudo-Mexican food served in these fast food chains, especially since they're not all that authentically Tex-Mex either. 98.197.249.31 (talk) 20:54, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
They're more Texican than even pseudo-Mexican. Tacos in Mexico barely resemble those in the US, the burritos aren't even close. I know a beautiful Mexican woman and the real Mexican food she makes is nothing like the the stuff found in these restaurants. They are Tex-Mex, not Mexican style. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 06:34, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like we're talking past each other. IMO, "Mexican-style" doesn't mean "in the style of Mexico" (or "replicating real Mexican food," if you will). Rather, it means food influenced by and descended from Mexican traditions but also incorporating local influences and ingredients. In the United States, these regional variants would include Tex-Mex, Sonoran Mexican, and Cal-Mex. "Mex-ish" probably gets the idea across better, except that's not a real word. Additionally, the burrito-centric restaurants (Chipotle, Freebirds, and Qdoba) serve fare that's more Cal-Mex than Tex-Mex, so it isn't entirely accurate to use "Tex-Mex" as the category heading here, either. 98.197.249.31 (talk) 16:54, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

California Pizza Kitchen

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It's a chain, but I don't think it exactly qualifies as fast food, does it? 98.197.249.31 (talk) 22:44, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is not, it belongs in {{Pizza chains}} --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 06:37, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's gone. 98.197.249.31 (talk) 16:20, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

United States

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

This template should not be named Fast Food Restaraunts, but Fast Food Restaraunts in the United States, because that is what it is. Who agrees that we should move it? Voting ends October 31, 2010, 9 PM UTC. Us441 (talk) 18:59, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Fast casual restaurants

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Apparently, a few fast casual restaurants such as Chipotle Mexican Grill, Five Guys, and Quiznos are also included on this navbox. Therefore, I have clarified the title bar to now read "Fast food and fast casual restaurant chains". Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:50, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also doing this to prevent misunderstandings such as this edit. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:55, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is a great edit but I think there should also be a row in the template actually called "Fast Casual" for chains like Panera Bread, Atlanta Bread, Bruegger's, Newk's Eatery, Corner Bakery Cafe, Potbelly, and a few others. These chains don't fit into their current groups particularly well and are quite different from some of the others in those groups. Could also call the row "Cafés" or possibly "Bakery Cafés". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Southrunner10 (talk • contribs) 06:09, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thai Express

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I think Thai Express should be removed, it looks like it's only in Canada. Masterblooregard (talk) 06:31, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Done – That chain was removed with this edit. Wbm1058 (talk) 17:43, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Smashburger is an up-and-coming hamburger fast food restaurant chain.

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I think that Smashburger should be included in the template for Fast-food chains of the United States. I've tried to add it to the template, but for some reason, Wikipedia won't let me. Any reason for this? Mr. Brain (talk) 01:45, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

 Done – You successfully added Smashburger with this 01:39, 6 January 2014 edit. Seems they've been selling a lot of franchises lately. It takes a while for the system's job queue to show the changes on articles transcluding the template. Wbm1058 (talk) 17:52, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No Chicken

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Don't see any chicken places in this box. Certainly would expect KFC to be here, as well as Church's, Chick-fil-A, Wing Street, and Boston Market. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.28.66.74 (talk) 23:58, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Johnny Rockets

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Should the template include Johnny Rockets? --Stephan Schulz (talk) 13:12, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No one objected, so added. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 07:46, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't really fit the fast-food/casual vibe, as it has waitstaff who take your order and deliver your food. Powers T 02:03, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Pare down the list?

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Anyone object if I go through and remove chains that don't fit the guidelines in the documentation for number of outlets? Powers T 02:04, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Culver's like Dairy Queen

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Culver's should probably be listed like Dairy Queen in both desserts and burgers instead of just desserts. In fact, unlike DQ where some locations only have desserts, all Culver's sell burgers. As such, it would make more sense for Culver's to be listed under burgers (which it isn't) than DQ (which is listed in both categories)--2601:1C2:1300:1F33:8C08:982:A142:8620 (talk) 21:39, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2019

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Can someone add Freddy's Frozen Custard & Steakburgers to the template {{Fast-food chains of the United States}}? This business currently meets the requirements for this template by having over 300 restaurants that are located within at least 30 states since March 2018. Since the company sells both burgers (under group1) and frozen desserts (under group5), it qualifies for inclusion in both subsections. Thanks. -- 147.202.209.1 (talk) 23:43, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done Listed as Freddy's in the Hamburgers section Danski454 (talk) 21:49, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How strict is the requirement for chains needing a minimum of 100 locations to be allowed inclusion on this template?

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The rules for this template state that This template should only include chains that are national or are in a sizable region with more than 100 locations. Please do not add regional chains that have only a few locations in a couple of states.

I have noticed that at 01:00, 16 December 2018‎, User:ADMRN9102 had added recently added Tasty Made and ShopHouse Southeast Asian Kitchen to the section of defunct chains. At its height ShopHouse had a maximum of 15 locations while Tasty Made had only a single location during its entire lifespan. Can a company with a single location be considered a chain? Although ShopHouse with locations on both east and west coast, is 15 locations close enough to the 100 location threshold to warrant inclusion on this template? -- 64.134.164.33 (talk) 23:52, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have noticed that someone recently (at 22:00, 23 December 2018‎) added Jollibee to the list, but Jollibee only has 39 locations in the United States so it appears that the requirement of having over 100 locations is just ignored by most editors. -- 50.195.200.161 (talk) 01:52, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 18 January 2019

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Can someone remove Tasty Made from group11 - Defunct subsection of this template? Tasty Made had a grand total of ONE location throughout its very short existance and should not be on listed on this template. Other candidates that fail the 100 locations minimum requirement and should be removed are ShopHouse Southeast Asian Kitchen, which had a total of 15 locations and Jollibee only has 39 locations in the United States. -- 50.195.200.161 (talk) 02:20, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia! — Newslinger talk 14:01, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]


BBQ and Italian chains

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Since L&L Hawaiian Barbecue isn't exactly Asian food, it should go under a new category, Barbecue, along with other BBQ fast food and fast casual places such as Dickey's and Smithfield's. Also, Fazoli's and Sbarro should go under another new category, Italian, along with Little Caesar's, which is definitely fast food (you tell them what pizza you want, they hand it to you right away, you pay, and you leave). Thoughts? Greggens (talk) 03:17, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Italian, please see some of the changes I've made here. Any thoughts? AnilSezgin (talk) 14:42, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Categorization of Dunkin' Donuts

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The comment in the template says that Dunkin' Donuts should not be listed with the other donut shops because it is primarily a coffee shop. I'm not sure that's the best placement. It still sells donuts and other pastries in more than 11,000 shops worldwide. (Duck Donuts is listed, but it has under 100 locations.) Dunkin' Donuts also sells sandwiches, tea, iced drinks, bagels, and other pastries. In addition, their donuts are sold in several major grocery chains and other outlets. Krispy Kreme has a similar combination of pastries and drinks, but is still listed under donuts. So, I think it's incorrect to list Dunkin' Donuts under coffee. The corporation wants to rebrand with an emphasis on drinks, but the category on Wikipedia shouldn't change just to match a company's advertising strategy. Perhaps there should be a category for the "pastry & coffee", "light breakfast", or "Quick Service Restaurants (QSRs)"? I still expect to find them under donuts, not coffee, what do you think? (I have no affiliation with DD, but I have eaten their donuts.) -RobinLampert (talk) 05:09, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2021

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In the defunct category, Zantigo is listed. This is incorrect. More information can be found at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zantigo or zantigo.com 2601:446:8200:A9C0:85E2:6F30:4553:9312 (talk) 21:34, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The article at Zantigo also appears to lack reliable sources for this. Unfortunately, Zantigo.com is a primary source, and does not substantively declare the current status of the chain, even if we were to accept it. The article reads that the chain has gone from some 82 restaurants to 4 under the newly-opened entity. Given that, I am not certain that it would qualify as a fast food chain for the purpose of this template, and some might consider it defunct still, especially as it only exists in one state. If you have a better source, please feel free to resubmit this.  A S U K I T E  22:05, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2023

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 Already done Shellwood (talk) 15:19, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2023

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Can someone remove Manila Sunset from group1? According to the company's website, the company only have a grand total of seven (7) locations worldwide, a number far below the 100 threshold. 23.25.58.41 (talk) 23:12, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Thank you! Updated the article too. NotAGenious (talk) 15:54, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2023

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Can someone remove 7 Leaves Cafe from group5 (Drink|Beverages)? The company's website only list 43 locations in four states (zoom out on map to view relative locations on map, while list view displays addresses of all locations), thus failing the template's stated Guidelines for inclusion minimum of greater than 100 locatiobs. 50.231.49.42 (talk) 23:29, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done NotAGenious (talk) 15:58, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2023

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Can someone remove California Tortilla, Rusty Taco, Taco del Mar, Taco Maker, and Wahoo's Fish Taco from group10 (Mexican / Tex-Mex)? The company websites for California Tortilla, Rusty Taco, and Taco del Mar, and Taco Maker claim less than 40 locations each, far below the 100 location minimum. Wahoo's Fish Taco] might barely have 50 after adding all 8 regions. 108.71.214.235 (talk) 11:57, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Thanks for your work on tracking this information down! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 23:04, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2023

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Can someone remove Zippy's, and Savannah Bee Company from group15 (Other)? The company websites for Zippy's, and Savannah Bee Company claim less than 30 locations each, far below the 100 location minimum. Although Europe-based German Doner Kebab claimed more than 100 locations worldwide, the company's website only shows 9 locations in the U.S. Should this company remain on the template since the majority of the company's locations are in Europe and not in the U.S.? It would be different if most of the locations were in the U.S. 108.71.214.235 (talk) 05:24, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 22:58, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2024

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Nestle Toll House is no longer in business. Requesting that it is placed in the Defunct Section of the Template. Change "Nestle Toll House" in Baked Goods to "Defunct" or move to the Defunct Section of the Template. (The Actual Nestle Toll House Wikipedia page refers to the business as a Was, which leads me to believe it is defunct.) 73.201.96.197 (talk) 00:57, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Jamedeus (talk) 02:29, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Concerns over certain inclusions

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Many chains featured on this list don't seem to fit the description of fast food or even fast casual. Examples of this, and similar ones on the list, are entries like P. F. Chang's, Texas Roadhouse, Cracker Barrel, Olive Garden, and Rainforest Cafe. Just because these are popular, medium-priced, American chains does not mean they should count as fast food or fast casual. The major deciding factor that makes a chain fast food/casual is the main way of receiving food being counter service or paying before receiving food.

While pick-up options are available at these restaurants, allowing you to pay first, it is not their main form of service. When you dine at these restaurants you are sat at a table and given table service, something that makes a chain casual dining/sit-down. I believe chains like these should be removed from the list. Popeetoes (talk) 20:00, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems chains like these were added not too long ago, probably in error. The guidelines should be more specific about which types of restaurants qualify for this list. MrBatteryBrain (talk) 21:27, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 21 August 2024

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Can someone remove Happi House and Manila Sunset from group1 (Asian)? Neither chains never exceeded a dozen locations. (Manila Sunset has been removed from this template multiple times.)

Can someone remove Stonefire Grill from group10 (Mexican / Tex-Mex)? Stonefire Grill appears to be an extremely small regional chain with only 12 locations within two California counties.

Can someone remove Claim Jumper, Gen Korean BBQ, Rocklands Barbeque and Grilling Company, Smithfield's Chicken 'N Bar-B-Q, and Vic & Anthony's Steakhouse from group3 (Barbecue)? Rocklands has exactly 4 locations in the DC metro area. Claim Jumper appears never to have exceeded 15 locations. Gen Korean BBQ has yet to reach 40 locations. Smithfield is located in a single state with ~40 locations. Vic & Anthony's Steakhouse only has 4 locations.

Can someone remove Patxi's Chicago Pizza, Pizza My Heart (restaurant), Romano's Macaroni Grill, Uncle Maddio's Pizza Joint, and We, the Pizza from group11 (Pizza / Italian)? All of those do not exceed 40 units, some as few as 12.

Can someone remove Rainforest Cafe from group15 (Other)? Rainforest has not exceeded 30 units.

Not sure why some editors keep adding these insignificant chains that do not meet the minimal standards. Are better instructions needed to be added to the template?

96.82.59.129 (talk) 01:12, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Either the edit notice isn't doing the job against illiterate editors, or those were added a long time ago and weren't noticed. Anyways,  Done ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 04:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]


TGI Fridays

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Not sure if Fridays would be categorized under Burgers, but I'd say it belongs on this list. MrBatteryBrain (talk) 22:46, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2024

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It is time to check more sections for items inserted by editors who are unable to read instructions concerning the 100 location threshold (and I'm only including the ones than has not exceeded 60 in the present or even 80 in the verifiable past.)

(I don't know what to do about the repeat offenders who keep including the same chains that were removed in the past that have not increased their number of locations since the previous removal.)

Can someone remove 7 Leaves Cafe, Argo Tea, Colectivo Coffee Roasters, Heine Brothers', Intelligentsia Coffee & Tea from group4 (Beverages)?

  • 7 Leaves Cafe was removed once before for having only 43 locations. The company's website only list 43 locations in four states (zoom out on map to view relative locations on map, while list view displays addresses of all locations in viewable map).
  • Argo Tea had at most 40-50 locations in the past, but currently has 8. (It also previous had products sold in thousands of supermarkets in the past, but should not be included for this list.) See citations about the company's acquisition by Planting Hope in 2023.


Can someone remove Randy's Donuts from group2 (Baked goods)?

  • Randy's Donuts's website does not list more than 25 locations in the United States and less than a total of 50 worldwide. No mention of the company being larger in the past. (The main location is famous for being easily visible from airplanes landing at LAX and might also be visible in some satellite photos.)


Can someone remove Cluck-U, Harold's Chicken Shack, and Zankou Chicken from group6 (Chicken)?


Can someone remove Cauldron Ice Cream, Golden Spoon, Nielsen's Frozen Custard, and Wanderlust Creamery from group7 (Frozen dessert)?


More coming later. 96.82.59.129 (talk) 14:03, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Much appreciated. MrBatteryBrain (talk) 17:36, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 September 2024

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It is time to check more sections for items inserted by editors who are unable to read instructions concerning the 100 location threshold (and I'm only including the ones than has not exceeded 60 in the present or even 80 in the verifiable past, so I have created an even lower threshold to remain on this list.)


Can someone remove Hot Dog on a Stick from group9 (Hot dogs)?


Can someone remove Taco Mayo from group10 (Mexican / Tex-Mex)?


Can someone remove &pizza and Pie Five from group11 (Pizza / Italian)


Can someone remove Burgerville, Burgerim, Cheeburger Cheeburger, Ford's Garage, Good Times Burgers & Frozen Custard, Kewpee, Nation's, Original Hamburger Stand and Spangles from group8 (Hamburgers)?


  • Burgerim is a weird case. The owner of the company is a crook who recent fled the country after some federal warrants were issued against him. The company's website appears to have permanently gone offline. No news of a bankruptcy filing. No news that fines levied by recent federal default judgements against the company are being paid. There are no company-owned locations. All locations were operated by franchisees who were defrauded. Are there any franchise location still in business? Unknown. Unable to find anything via Google other than various Yelp reviews stating that franchises in any giving city has closed. The closest thing I found is this March 2024 article. There is also a recent article in the American edition of the British tabloid The Sun (United Kingdom), but that publication is on the Wikipedia citation blacklist so that a WP bot will automatically delete that citation. I hate the lack of VERIFIABLE news. What do others editors think of this situation?


I vote, remove Burgerim from this list. Or should this item be moved to Defunct? Let's discuss this one since we don't have any evidence that this company is still operating.


More to come. 96.82.59.129 (talk) 10:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In progress: An editor is implementing the requested edit. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 03:17, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AlphaBetaGamma: Thank you for your efforts in this matter ABG, but it has been about a month and we need to allow someone else to clean up this mess in a timely manner so I'm relisting this request as unanswered. Once this request has been completed, almost every article listed on this template should meet the current minimum requirements!!! Thanks to everyone who had participated! 96.82.59.129 (talk) 23:02, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Done I took care of these and moved Burgerim to the 'Defunct' category, based on a Google search that showed the business is pretty much done. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 19:45, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2024

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It is time to check more sections for items inserted by editors who are unable to read instructions concerning the 100 location threshold (and I'm only including the ones than has not exceeded 60 in the present or even 80 in the verifiable past, so I have created an even lower threshold to remain on this list.)


Can someone remove The Boiling Crab, Bubba Gump Shrimp Company, Ivar's, The Kickin' Crab, and Mitchell's Fish Market from group14 (Seafood).


Can someone remove Atlanta Bread, Così, Daphne's, Great Wraps, Jerry's Subs, Tubby's, and Tudor's Biscuit World from group13 (Sandwiches).

  • Così is a failing chain that has not exceeded a maximum of 66 anytime prior to filing for bankruptcy the second time. There is no chance that the company would even reach its former record.
  • Daphne's is a failing chain that has not exceeded a maximum of 70 anytime prior to filing for bankruptcy. There is no chance that the company would even reach its former record.
  • Tubby's's website only lists 70 locations, all within the state of Michigan and within a short drive from Detroit.
  • Tudor's Biscuit World's website only lists 50 locations, mostly in West Virginia and in the surrounding states within a short drive of West Virginia.

I think I might have covered all groups by now EXCEPT the Defunct group. THE Defunct group may still contain obvious removal candidates, such as single restaurants and small region chains.

Thanks to all of the editors who help to clean up this really bloated template. 96.82.59.129 (talk) 02:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: A majority of these are fast food chains, I don't see the necessity to remove them from the template. Just because some of them have 10-15 chains, doesn't make it any different. The template is "Fast-food chains of the United States" not "International fast-food chains" or "Popular fast-food chains". Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 03:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cowboygilbert: – The CURRENT written instructions for inclusion is for chains with 100 or more units and also have units located in different several states. Are you saying that we should change the rules and allow chains with just as few as 10-15 total units should remain on this template? If so, THOUSANDS of chains can potentially meet this lower threshold. Are you suggesting that we need to increase the length of this template by adding these smaller chains to this already bloated template since you do not believe that this template is large enough? 100 units is an arbitrary threshold that I did not set. I know about two dozens small chains off the top of my head that are not on this template that could meet your lower threshold for inclusion and should be included. If I interpreted your response incorrectly, I apologize in advance. 96.82.59.129 (talk) 13:50, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with IP. The guidelines clearly state 100 locations or more. None of these chains belong here. MrBatteryBrain (talk) 16:01, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Yeah, these pretty clearly didn't meet the template's standards as written. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 20:51, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2024

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Add Scooter’s Coffee to template under beverages. 2600:1702:1354:A0:3421:ADE3:64E2:E172 (talk) 16:10, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done A search shows over 800 locations in 29 states, so they seem worthy of inclusion. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 20:58, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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