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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:31, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

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Visium Asset Management

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Created by MJL (talk). Self-nominated at 04:56, 28 December 2019 (UTC).


General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing: Yes
  • Neutral: Yes
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Yes
  • Other problems: No - The article includes a quote: "Visium employees routinely sought sham quotes from brokers to justify inflated values for debt securities, and deviated from prices set by third-parties on a magnitude beyond what was usual." It attributes this quote to Thorell, but the quote is actually a paraphase of what he said by the cited Reuters source. I think this either needs the clarification "Reuters reported that Thorell said ..." or rewriting in our own words.

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - The quote "fight back" in the hook is not attributed—it comes from WSJ, not from Gottlieb. I'd suggest rephrasing to avoid this e.g
  • ALT1: ... that Jacob Gottlieb hired Status Labs to generate positive news coverage of him after the bankruptcy of Visium Asset Management, a hedge fund company that he founded?
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: No - The article's mention of the hook fact uses the word-to-watch "revealed" in its description of the WSJ article; this needs rephrasing.
QPQ: Done.
Overall:
A couple of explanations for the checklist above:
  • The article reflects negatively on Visium Asset Management, but after searching for other unused sources online, I see that this is not due to editorial bias, but due to the overall negative coverage towards the company, so the article is neutral by our guidelines (particularly in regards to WP:UNDUE).
  • I cannot access all of the given sources, but I have done spotchecks of the ones I can view and found only the problems mentioned above, and some others even verify the given fact in their headline. All sources in the article are reliable.
    — Bilorv (talk) 19:50, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that hedge fund manager Jacob Gottlieb hired Status Labs to help counteract negative news coverage about him over how his last business venture ended? Source: Mr. Gottlieb said in an interview with the Journal that he found his press coverage unfair and wanted to fight back. / 'I worked with this company to help me launch my new venture,' he said.
Maybe? –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 21:05, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
Easter egg links aren't good, but this is one along the same lines, if you want:
ALT3: ... that hedge fund manager Jacob Gottlieb hired Status Labs to counteract negative news coverage about him over the closure of Visium Asset Management?
Other issues are fixed, and thanks for the quick reply! — Bilorv (talk) 00:00, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
I like the clickbait of ALT2 more, but I'm perfectly happy with ALT3. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 00:12, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Alright, ALT3 approved! — Bilorv (talk) 00:27, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @MJL: @Bilorv: - I'm reopening this, because the hook fact is no longer in the article. Nikkimaria removed it yesterday, along with a chunk of other stuff, with the summary "rm bio". I have no opinion on whether this was the right or wrong action, but either way this DYK is no longer ready to go. Please either discuss with Nikkimaria as to whether the removal was justified, or propose an alternative hook. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 13:37, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
    • @Amakuru: restoring the tick per the re-addition following talk page discussion. — Bilorv (talk) 19:06, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
      Great, thanks for the update.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:10, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
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