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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:13, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

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Janet Lee Stevens

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Created by CallMeBarcode (talk). Self-nominated at 22:41, 16 April 2019 (UTC).

I am new to Wikipedia so I don't understand what you mean when you say that I need to identify the sources in the hook. Thank you for your help. CallMeBarcode (talk) 01:08, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

  • I mean you should cite the sources that show the memorial fund supports research. Векочел (talk) 04:15, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Good to go with the second hook Векочел (talk) 19:20, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
  • ... that Janet Lee Stevenswas a journalist, human rights advocate, translator, and scholar of popular Arabic theater who died in the suicide bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon, on April 18, 1983 Source: Van Atta, Burr (April 22, 1983). "Janet Lee Stevens, 32, Journalist". Philadelphia Inquirer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CallMeBarcode (talk • contribs) 01:59, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote this hook, but I have several questions. Firstly, the hooks should be identified by number (ALT0, ALT1, ALT2, etc.), since it is unclear which "second hook" the reviewer Векочел is approving. Secondly, and welcome to DYK, CallMeBarcode, a hook should be just that—something to reel in the reader so s/he'll click on the article. Each of these hooks tell me the whole story without my needing to click on anything. There is also a 200-character limit to hook length, although shorter is always better.
  • I went over the article and noted that the lead is too short; it should summarize key points in the article. You have such a long article; the lead should be a nice-sized paragraph. I also removed one non-reliable source, wordpress.com. Please source that paragraph with a reliable ref or remove it. Footnote 19 also needs an archive date.
  • Please suggest a shorter and snappier hook. Going over the article, for example, this line jumped out at me, although it needs an inline cite: ... that the Palestinians called Janet Lee Stevens "the little drummer girl" because of her staunch support for their cause? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 22:39, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
  • @CallMeBarcode: I agree with Yoninah's comment. My suggestion is to use the hook she suggested if you can source it. Векочел (talk) 23:41, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

ALT0 ...... that Janet Lee Stevens was an American human rights advocate who died in the 1983 United States embassy bombing in Beirut, and whose memorial fund at the University of Pennsylvania supports research on Arabic culture?

ALT1 ... that Janet Lee Stevenswas a journalist, human rights advocate, translator, and scholar of popular Arabic theater who died in the suicide bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon, on April 18, 1983 Source: Van Atta, Burr (April 22, 1983). "Janet Lee Stevens, 32, Journalist". Philadelphia Inquirer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CallMeBarcode (talk • contribs) 01:59, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

  • ALT2: ... that Palestinians in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Beirut called American journalist Janet Lee Stevens "the little drummer girl" because of her staunch support for their cause? Source: Kai Bird, The Good Spy: The Life and Times of Robert Ames (New York: Crown Publishers, 2014), p. 276

ALT3 … that Palestinians called the American journalist  Janet Lee Stevens, who died in the 1983 bombing of the U.S. embassy in Beirut, "the little drummer girl" because of her staunch support for their cause? Source: Kai Bird, The Good Spy: The Life and Times of Robert Ames (New York: Crown Publishers, 2014), p. 276.

I am still trying to figure out the archived date for footnote 19. Thanks for your help.CallMeBarcode (talk) 16:04, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Please try not to pack so much information into a hook. Otherwise the reader has no reason to click on the article. ALT2 is the only one that looks hooky to me. Yoninah (talk) 17:04, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

ALT4 ... that Palestinian refugees in Beirut called Janet Lee Stevens "the little drummer girl" because of her staunch support for their cause? Source: Kai Bird, The Good Spy: The Life and Times of Robert Ames (New York: Crown Publishers, 2014), p. 276.

If I go with this hook above (ALT4) assuming that you approve it and favoring something shorter as Yoninah suggested, then what do I do next to continue this and prevent the DYK nomination from going stale? Thanks for your help.

@CallMeBarcode: thanks for your response. You don't have to make it so short that it loses context. ALT2 is just fine. I formatted the hook for you. Since I suggested it, I'm calling on a new reviewer to check ALT2. Yoninah (talk) 12:43, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you!CallMeBarcode (talk) 13:24, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

ALT 2 is fine. Good to go.Felixkrater (talk) 16:53, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

@CallMeBarcode: @Felixkrater: @Yoninah: actually, sorry to be a pain, but I think the drummer girl hook needs a bit of a reword. It is unclear to me why having "staunch support" for the Palestinians would lead to the title "the little drummer girl". What aspect of drumming is being referred to? Another book talks of "strongly voiced" opinions so perhaps it's that? Not sure, but probably needs a bit of thought. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 21:13, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

  • @Amakuru: I understand a "little drummer girl" to imply "drumming up support" for their cause. Yoninah (talk) 00:11, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
And someone who just keeps beating the drum for the cause, never gives up. I'd ask if it were an Americanism but in this woman's case Palestinians were using it the same way. --valereee (talk) 19:28, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
@Amakuru: If you are happy with this response, can you replace the tick so that this can be promoted? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:26, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi all, sorry I missed the ping above, I'm not sure why. I'm still not convinced that the two points about staunch support and being a drummer girl is obvious, but I'm happy to concede the point if you guys are OK with it. Not a major deal,and at least it isn't a factual error! Re-marking as confirmed. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 23:18, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
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