Template:Did you know nominations/Giuseppe Mariani (doctor)

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 04:18, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Giuseppe Mariani (doctor)

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... ~~that Italian dermatologist Giuseppe Mariani protected the Jews of Genoa during the Holocaust by hiding them in the city's leprosarium?~~ Source: Barabino, Gianfranco; et al. (June 2020), "Genoa and Leprosy from the Middle Ages to the Present", Giornale Italiano Dermatologia e Venereologia, vol. 155, no. 3, Turin: Minerva Medica, pp. 346–348. "In the early 1900’s, Radaeli promoted the construction of a leprosarium behind the San Martino hospital. In 1936 Giuseppe Mariani was known for using the leprosarium to hide Italian Jews during deportation to the extermination camps."
- ALT1: ... that dermosyphilopathologist Giuseppe Mariani received a silver medal for his bravery under fire at the Third Battle of the Isonzo? Source: Farnetani, Francesca (2008), "Mariani, Giuseppe", Dizionario Biografio degli Italiani, vol. 70. "Chiamato alle armi allo scoppio del conflitto mondiale, il M. fu assegnato a un ospedale da campo in prima linea: nel corso delle azioni svoltesi sulle pendici del monte S. Michele (altopiano carsico) tra il 21 e il 23 ott. 1915 fu ferito nel tentativo di soccorrere i militari colpiti giacenti allo scoperto, e per questo fu in seguito insignito con la medaglia d’argento al valor militare."
- ALT2: ... ~~that Italian veneral disease experts like Giuseppe Mariani are traditionally known as doctors of dermosyphilopathy?~~ Source: Gibson, Mary (1999), Prostitution and the State in Italy: 1860–1915, History of Crime and Criminal Justice (2nd ed.), Columbus: Ohio State University Press. The history of medicine, however, belies his words, for at midcentury knowledge about veneral disease was rudimentary. As the denomination of this branch of medicine as "dermosifilopatia" shows, these diseases were traditionally diagnosed and treated like skin infections.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/German Tarok
- Comment: Kindly don't add extraneous links to the hooks.

Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 16:34, 12 May 2022 (UTC).

Re the original hook, and per The Holocaust, were there "extermination camps" in 1936? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 07:12, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Fair enough to prefer the other hooks. Leaving aside the German situation, Italy wasn't formally antisemitic until 1938. I left out the date from the hook and article because I assumed the otherwise trustworthy source had simply muffed that specific number. — LlywelynII 18:03, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

ALT1a: ... that dermatologist Giuseppe Mariani received a silver medal for his bravery under fire at the Third Battle of the Isonzo?

@LlywelynII: I changed one word and added inlinks to the hook. I would prefer ALT0 for pure eye-catching capacity, but I'm also concerned about the cite - and for some reason its DOI doesn't work for me so I can't get the original. ALT1 is also pretty good though. I expanded the lede in the article and unlinked the years per MOS (ping me if you question this). If you are good with this version of the hook I'll review it ASAP. Maury Markowitz (talk) 17:56, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Suspecting it to be a misprint, I tried to find an email for the primary author without luck. I have written to one of his colleagues in Genoa so hopefully he can forward it on or answer directly. Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:08, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

And if you're looking for suggestions on your list, it seems an article on San Martino Hospital is long overdue! Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:22, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

I note that this has not yet had a formal review, so I shall do that, taking into consideration the above comments on the hooks. Storye book (talk) 08:25, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: The article is fine. Re the hooks:

ALT0: I agree with the above comment that it would be safer not to use this hook because it could invite controversy over the date 1936. I have therefore struck it (although please unstrike it if you disagree with me).
ALT1 and ALT1a: I prefer ALT1 because dermosyphilopathist is a jolly good, clickbaity word. There is nothing wrong with dermatologist in ALT1a; it's just boring - but the bravery and medal in the hook make up for it. So I approve ALT1 and ALT1a (taking the Italian source AGF).
ALT2: ALT2 is within DYK rules, but I'm not happy with it. The long word is fun but ALT1 does it better, because it also has the medal and bravery. To compete with ALT1, I think ALT2 needs a bit more. Why not rewrite it to include the bit about treating the venereal disease as if it were just a skin infection?

Summary: The article is fine. The remaining (unstruck) hooks are OK. ~~I could pass it, but I want to give you a chance to comment (and suggest other ALTs if you wish) before completing the review.~~ LlywelynII? Maury Markowitz? Storye book (talk) 09:12, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

@Storye book: I'm good with 1 or 1a. I think DYK has scared off LlywelynII, so we should just move ahead on this one. Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:47, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Maury Markowitz. Good to go with ALT1 or ALT1a. (I prefer ALT1). Storye book (talk) 20:54, 3 July 2022 (UTC)