Template:Did you know nominations/Fateme Asadi
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:41, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
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Fateme Asadi
- ... that the body of Fateme Asadi was found 37 years after she was killed by the Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan when she attempted to release her husband? Source: Mehr News – in Persian
- Reviewed: Hanford Engineer Works
Created by Mhhossein (talk). Self-nominated at 06:03, 2 November 2022 (UTC).
- General eligibility:
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- The article was 8 days old on nomination. - Long enough:
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The article was created on 25 October and nominated it on 2 November, an eight-day separation. – dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 15:13, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Dudhhr: Oops! I just missed 31st of October. I think we can just consider an exception here. --Mhhossein talk 12:49, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
- WP:DYKSG:
"The "seven days old" limit can be extended for a day or two upon request. If the nominator is new to DYK, a seven-day extension may be allowed."
--Mhhossein talk 13:06, 4 November 2022 (UTC)- @Mhhossein: As the only problem with this DYK is that it was mistakenly nominated a day too late, I will invoke WP:DYKSG#D9 and
Pass this nomination. – dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 14:36, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Mhhossein: As the only problem with this DYK is that it was mistakenly nominated a day too late, I will invoke WP:DYKSG#D9 and
With due apologies, this article and hook need more work before being featured on the main page. There's a few related issues. First, IRNA is not a source we should be using for presenting contentious content in Wikipedia's voice. Past RSN discussions suggest it's a marginal source at best, and RSN discussions aside, a state-controlled news agency should be used with care where political violence is concerned. Second, the contentious material isn't worded carefully enough; some of it requires inline attribution. Third, "She is reportedly the first victim woman whose missing body was explored and recovered" is a very big claim, and likely unintentionally so. Finally, there's some issues with grammar, though these aren't enough to hold the nomination up by themselves. Vanamonde (Talk) 22:45, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Vanamonde93: I have removed IRNA and it was replaced by other sources. Also which "contentious material isn't worded carefully enough"? Pls let me know so that I can resolve the issue. As for the third, it is a usual happening for the remaining of the Iran-Iraq war victims to be discovered during the explorations. However, she is the first woman to be discovered. What's so big about it? Thanks. --Mhhossein talk 07:24, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
- Well, do we have a non-state-affiliated source saying she was tortured in its own voice? The one I spot-checked yesterday said "according to..." though I am of course looking at it in translation. As to the "first woman"; you currently have no qualifiers. It's written to imply she was the first woman victim, period. Of anything. Which obviously isn't true. If its the first woman victim of the war, then say that; if she's the first victim in Iran to be identified via DNA testing, say that...but make sure it's qualified appropriately. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:58, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Vanamonde93: There are a couple of such sources like this one which exactly says she was tortured and killed in its voice. Also I have added the qualifiers to the "the first woman". --Mhhossein talk 06:29, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. Restoring tick per previous review; AGF on Farsi sources. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:26, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Vanamonde93: Thanks, but this page just needs to be promoted or transferred to the approved noms page. Right? --Mhhossein talk 08:11, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- You're correct that one of those would need to happen. I can promote this, but in reviewing it I realized that "attempted to release" in the hook is imprecise. Specifically, she attempted to ransom her husband; ie pay money so his captors would release him. I suggest amending this. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:21, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- That makes sense Vanamonde, it seems more precise. Please take a look at this (also added 'tortured'):
- ALT1:... that the body of Fateme Asadi was found 37 years after she was tortured and killed by the Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan when she attempted to ransom her husband?
- Thanks. --Mhhossein talk 05:37, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
- That makes sense Vanamonde, it seems more precise. Please take a look at this (also added 'tortured'):
- You're correct that one of those would need to happen. I can promote this, but in reviewing it I realized that "attempted to release" in the hook is imprecise. Specifically, she attempted to ransom her husband; ie pay money so his captors would release him. I suggest amending this. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:21, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Vanamonde93: Thanks, but this page just needs to be promoted or transferred to the approved noms page. Right? --Mhhossein talk 08:11, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Vanamonde93: There are a couple of such sources like this one which exactly says she was tortured and killed in its voice. Also I have added the qualifiers to the "the first woman". --Mhhossein talk 06:29, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
- Well, do we have a non-state-affiliated source saying she was tortured in its own voice? The one I spot-checked yesterday said "according to..." though I am of course looking at it in translation. As to the "first woman"; you currently have no qualifiers. It's written to imply she was the first woman victim, period. Of anything. Which obviously isn't true. If its the first woman victim of the war, then say that; if she's the first victim in Iran to be identified via DNA testing, say that...but make sure it's qualified appropriately. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:58, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Vanamonde93: I have removed IRNA and it was replaced by other sources. Also which "contentious material isn't worded carefully enough"? Pls let me know so that I can resolve the issue. As for the third, it is a usual happening for the remaining of the Iran-Iraq war victims to be discovered during the explorations. However, she is the first woman to be discovered. What's so big about it? Thanks. --Mhhossein talk 07:24, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
I think ALT1 is accurate and supported. I think the first part is grabby enough and I prefer shorter hooks, so I'd suggest ALT2: ... that the body of Fateme Asadi was found 37 years after she was tortured and killed by the Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:20, 17 February 2023 (UTC)