Template:Did you know nominations/Hanford Engineer Works
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 02:24, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
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Hanford Engineer Works
B reactor in 1944
... that during World War II the nuclear reactors at the Hanford Engineer Works (B reactor pictured) came under Japanese attack?Source: Japanese Balloon Attack Almost Interrupted Building First Atomic Bombs- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Regent Cinema, Deal
- Comment: Article was forked from an existing one, but greatly expanded in my user space. Moved to mainspace on 1 November 2022
Created by Hawkeye7 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:44, 31 October 2022 (UTC).
- Hawkeye7: Hi, I am willing to review this nomination, but think this should have been 5Xed before coming here. Can you plz provide diffs showing the fork was 5Xed while in subpage or article space? --Mhhossein talk 06:49, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Unfortunately there should be more expansions so that the nomination can go ahead. Per Fivefold F4: "If some of the text was copied from another Wikipedia article, then it must be expanded fivefold as if the copied text had been a separate article." Hence, the article should become 90kb. --Mhhossein talk 12:17, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
- I've never seen that before. The article is a new one, and the text moved across was new too. It wasn't in the old article ten days previously. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:31, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
- I should highlight that I am in favor of moving it ahead since I know expansion from 67 to 90 kb is a huge amount of work, an you have already done a lot of edits and insertions. Maybe we can consider an exception here since you said the content from the older page was not older than 10 days. Pinging BlueMoonset for their insight. --Mhhossein talk 09:20, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
- Mhhossein, I don't believe the Fivefold page is up to date, and I wouldn't use it. Pages like WP:DYK and WP:DYKSG are regularly maintained and are "official", and you'll find the following on the latter in A5:
If some of the text in a nominated article was copied from another Wikipedia article, and the copied text is more than seven days old, then the copied text must be expanded fivefold as if the copied text had been a separate article.
I don't have time to check the copied-in text; Hawkeye7 started adding to Hanford Site on October 5, nine days before he created the Hanford Engineer Works article with a chunk of text from Hanford Site on October 14, and much of what he added to Hanford Site is more recent than October 5. I'd say nine days is a reasonable stretch of seven—recall that D9 saysThe "seven days old" limit can be extended for a day or two upon request.
, and I think that could stretch to this situation if needed. If you can trace the original addition of the copied text, you'll be able to know for sure how much needs to be 5x expanded and how much doesn't. I hope this helps! BlueMoonset (talk) 15:33, 3 November 2022 (UTC)- The new text was added to Hanford Site between 8 and 13 October. It was 32 kB (5,112 words) on 7 October, and 43 kB (6,895 words) on 13 October. So 11 kB (1,783 words) was added. The new article (Hanford Engineer Works), then in my userspace, was started on 14 October with 18 kB (2,983 words) from the old one, so 7 kB (1,200 words) was old. It was 68 kB (11,266 words) when moved to the mainspace on 1 November. I had forgotten that I could nominate the article for GA. I have done so now. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:23, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
- Hawkeye7, given the good explanations by BlueMoonset I think the nomination can go ahead. But do you like to keep the review for the time the page is a GA? That way a GA would be featured on the main page. --Mhhossein talk 13:22, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
- I have nominated the article for GA. This will avoid having to invoke IAR, but it is unlikely to be reviewed in 2022. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:01, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
- Hawkeye7, given the good explanations by BlueMoonset I think the nomination can go ahead. But do you like to keep the review for the time the page is a GA? That way a GA would be featured on the main page. --Mhhossein talk 13:22, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
- The new text was added to Hanford Site between 8 and 13 October. It was 32 kB (5,112 words) on 7 October, and 43 kB (6,895 words) on 13 October. So 11 kB (1,783 words) was added. The new article (Hanford Engineer Works), then in my userspace, was started on 14 October with 18 kB (2,983 words) from the old one, so 7 kB (1,200 words) was old. It was 68 kB (11,266 words) when moved to the mainspace on 1 November. I had forgotten that I could nominate the article for GA. I have done so now. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:23, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
- Mhhossein, I don't believe the Fivefold page is up to date, and I wouldn't use it. Pages like WP:DYK and WP:DYKSG are regularly maintained and are "official", and you'll find the following on the latter in A5:
- I should highlight that I am in favor of moving it ahead since I know expansion from 67 to 90 kb is a huge amount of work, an you have already done a lot of edits and insertions. Maybe we can consider an exception here since you said the content from the older page was not older than 10 days. Pinging BlueMoonset for their insight. --Mhhossein talk 09:20, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
- I've never seen that before. The article is a new one, and the text moved across was new too. It wasn't in the old article ten days previously. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:31, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Congrats for the GA, Hawkeye7. Everything is OK with the prose which is a GA now. I found no copyvio. Though you may chose to go by the suggested hook, it is not interesting enough for me to be honest. I think you can create a more interesting hook from "Plutonium manufactured at the site was used in the first atomic bomb in the Trinity test, and in the Fat Man bomb that was used in the atomic bombing of Nagasaki in August 1945," specially the portion showing the site has some links with the the second nuclear weapon of the only two ever used in wars. Best, --Mhhossein talk 05:19, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- Well I tried it out on people, and they knew that if knew anything about the Manhattan Project at all, but the hook was "How did that happen?!!" Hawkeye7 (discuss) 07:29, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1 ...that plutonium produced in the nuclear reactors at the Hanford Engineer Works (B reactor pictured) was used in the Fat Man bomb used in the atomic bombing of Nagasaki in August 1945? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 07:29, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
- I've struck ALT0 because it's really an exaggeration. The balloons were not aimed at specific targets, and the event described in the source was that a power line which fed the plant was shorted, causing a transient interruption in electric power which had no significant effect on the plant. It's a bit of a stretch to say the plant "came under attack". I don't have access to the off-line source for ALT1, so I guess AGF on that. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:28, 29 November 2022 (UTC)