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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron talk 00:01, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

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Dave Barney

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Created by Flibirigit (talk). Self-nominated at 23:57, 29 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Dave Barney; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

  • Length, history and reference verified. Good to go. Daniel Case (talk) 08:48, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@Flibirigit, Daniel Case, and Lightburst: welcome back, everyone! We're discussion the original hook and its modification:

  • ALT1: ... that when Peter and Dave Barney won multiple intramural swimming races, their university recruiter reportedly did not realize that they were not the same person?

theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:08, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

  • Thank you for returning this to the nomination page, and placing on hold on. I have a rather lengthy explanation to type as to why ALT1 is a mistake. I hope you can have some patience as I have a real life and work to attend to, and need to dedicate a large chunk of time all at once to give the explanation. I have struck ALT1, and will get to the explanation as soon as possible. Flibirigit (talk) 21:45, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
    • Sounds good :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:56, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
      • Still working on this. Should have something ready by November 18. Flibirigit (talk) 01:08, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
        • Almost done working on this in my user space. Will post by tomorrow. Flibirigit (talk) 01:47, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

ALT1 is incorrect since Krider (2014) made several mistakes, which Fisher (2021) duplicated.

  • Dave and Peter are not twins. As per multiple other sources, Dave and Bob are the twins. [1][2][3][4][5][6]
  • The years of birth for Bob and Dave indicate they are twins. Dave Barney was reported to have his 83rd birthday on January 5, 2015, indicating that he was born on January 5, 1932.[7] Bob Barney was born in 1932.[8] Peter Barney died at age 43 on August 15, 1982, indicating that he was born circa 1939.[9][10] Surely a man born circa 1939 is not a twin of someone born in 1932.
  • Krider (2014) states that Dave Barney was offered a scholarship in 1957. Here are multiple sources from 1957 to 1959 which indicate that is is Bob and Dave swimming on the UNM team, and not Peter.[11][12][13][14]
  • Dave and Bob Barney graduated in 1959 after swimming together in university.[15]
  • Peter Barney attended Baltimore City College, where he was junior varsity swimmer in 1957.[16][17] Surely someone who is a junior varsity high school swimmer is not winning university intramural swim races. I searched newspapers.com for mentions of Peter Barney swimming at UNM. I only found that he competed in water polo for UNM in 1966, and no mention of swimming.[18]

I hope that all of the above is evident why I am adamant that ALT1 is incorrect. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 02:02, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

I included footnotes in the biographies of both Dave Barney and Bob Barney to explain the mistaken twins. Unfortunately nobody on this review has acknowledged those footnotes. I remain open to other ways to explain this in the articles. Flibirigit (talk) 02:05, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
@Flibirigit: All well and good. I did look at the footnotes; Fisher 2021 was not included in the list of erroneous sources. Was the pool named after Peter after all? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:50, 25 November 2023 (UTC)


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