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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:47, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

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Aletta Jacobs

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Jacobs by Max Büttinghausen
Jacobs by Max Büttinghausen
  • ... that 100 years ago today, Aletta Jacobs (pictured), who had challenged Dutch women's lack of citizenship in 1883, won the right to vote? "This bill was accepted by the Lower House and on 18 September Queen Wilhelmina signed a law that gave women full suffrage"[1] and "In 1883 gaf Aletta Jacobs de eerste aanzet tot de strijd om het vrouwenkiesrecht ...diende ze een verzoek in bij de gemeente Amsterdam om haar op de kieslijst te plaatsen voor de komende verkiezingen ...kreeg Jacobs nul op haar rekest ... Grondwetswijziging van 1887 de kieswet dicht door het kiesrecht expliciet toe te kennen aan Nederlanders en mannelijke ingezetenen." (In 1883 Aletta Jacobs made the first move in the struggle for women's suffrage ...she submitted a request to the municipality of Amsterdam to certify her as a voter in the upcoming elections ...she received nothing ...a Constitutional change in 1887 explicitly granted the right to vote only to Dutch male residents.)[2]
    • ALT1: ... that in 1883, Aletta Jacobs (pictured) challenged Dutch laws denying women's suffrage, which was finally granted 100 years ago today? Same as above
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hedi Schoop
  • Comment: Can this run in the photo slot on 18 September, 100 years from the day the queen signed into law Dutch women's official right to vote? I am working on getting a better image than any of those that appear in the article. Just need to confirm that it can be used.[3]

Improved to Good Article status by SusunW (talk) and Ipigott (talk). Nominated by SusunW (talk) at 18:09, 27 April 2019 (UTC).

  • Date, size, refs, neutrality, hook, copyvio spotcheck, all GTG (as one would expect from a recent GA pass). I think the main hook reads better than proposed alt1. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:49, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
  • @SusunW and Piotrus:--I have preference for ALT1 but both the hooks seem to suffer from information overload, at any case and takes some considerable time to parse. Does something like:--... that 100 years ago today, Aletta Jacobs (pictured), won the right to vote, after 36 years of continued activism? sound feasible or better, at all? ∯WBGconverse 15:11, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
Winged Blades of Godric it truly doesn't matter to me. I am not good at proposing hooks, as my skill is with sourcing and getting the details right. Whatever hook runs, as long as it runs on 18 September in the photo slot will be fine with me. SusunW (talk) 15:19, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
Well, I will leave that to the discretion of the original reviewer:-) ∯WBGconverse 15:21, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
The revised sentence, which we could call ALT2, is fine. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:04, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
  • @SusunW: DYK rules allow for special occasion requests for up to six weeks. You're asking us to hold it for five months. You could appeal for a community-wide consensus of IAR at WT:DYK. Otherwise, please submit a different hook that can be run now. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 18:12, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
Yoninah, submitted IAR request.[4] No idea if I did it right, but I did it. SusunW (talk) 18:38, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

per this discussion, we have decided to run Aletta Jacobs as the POTD for 18 September, which will give the 100th anniversary a larger space on the main page, with a full blurb. However, I see no reason why the DYK shouldn't run before that, per the discussion mentioned and normal DYK rules. That way Ms Jacobs gets space on the main page twice. SusunW did indicate that they weren't bothered about pursuing the DYK but I would recommend that we go ahead with it anyway (with a revised hook, since it can't mention 100 years ago today any more) unless there are good reasons not to? Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 15:52, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Piotrus as the FP will run on the centennial of suffrage, so the hook needs to change to run now. Can you evaluate:
  • ALT4: ... that Dutch physician Aletta Jacobs′ (pictured) feminist library, housed at the University of Kansas, is called the Gerritsen Collection, but she never took her husband's surname a name she never legally used? p 200 and pp xv, 118
Thanks! SusunW (talk) 15:56, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
@SusunW: Uh, they both sound veeeeery boring, IMHO. They are ok, but I'd really suggest something that's has a chance to make people click her article. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:10, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
Piotrus I find it really interesting that the provincial and patriarchal systems in place when she sold her library named the collection of a world famous physician after her husband and not her. No one who was, or even is today, looking for her library would associate it with her. But heck, what do I know? I've tweaked it a bit. If you don't think that is better, then what about:
  • ALT5: ... that Dutch physician Aletta Jacobs′ (pictured) legal challenge to be added to the Amsterdam electoral rolls backfired, leading to a constitutional amendment granting voting rights only to men? "Kennelijk wakker geschud door deze pogingen van Jacobs timmerde men bij de Grondwetswijziging van 1887 de kieswet dicht door het kiesrecht expliciet toe te kennen aan Nederlanders en mannelijke ingezetenen". (Apparently shaken awake by these attempts by Jacobs, the Constitutional Amendment of 1887 restricted the electoral law by explicitly granting the right to vote to Dutch male residents.[5]
Maybe @Ritchie333 and Victuallers: can come up with another hook. Mentioning firsts is frowned upon here and focusing on birth control is an invitation to vandalism, so I'm stumped for other ideas. SusunW (talk) 12:42, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
@Ritchie333 and Victuallers: You guys are fabulous! Thank you so much! SusunW (talk) 13:23, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT8: ... where the phrase Dutch Cap comes from?

Without a pic and to annoy the pedants? A variation might suit April 1st - Thanks Susun. Victuallers (talk) 13:46, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

I can see Dr. Jacobs looking at Victuallers and saying "tut tut, make a family friendly hook please, not like that creepy Dr. Young". Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:49, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
All the DYKs are fine, except ALT5 needs a proper indication where the DYK ends and the editor's commentary begins. The closing admin can chose the hook they think is most interesting, I can't say I have a preference --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:38, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
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