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Intro

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Intro is not POV neutral. It reads like a pamphlet advertising a school that teaches the practice. PurpleChez (talk) 16:21, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Founding of zen yoga as a practice

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A founder is listed as establishing zen yoga in 2002. Surely this is about an attempt to codify the practice for Western pop culture; yoga existed in Japan with zen influence long before this. Does anyone have sources for the history of Japan's Buddhist interpretation of Indian yoga practices? Blue Rasberry 16:17, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Rewrite needed

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So, what's the scope of this article, other than a number Zen-centers using yoga-practices? This edit seems to have screwed-up this article badly. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:30, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed WP:UNDUE, unsourced, WP:SPAM, WP:OR. Especially Julian Skinner was unduely promoted; not surprisingly, Westmoquette also created the pages on Shinzan Miyamae Roshi and Julian Daizan Skinner Roshi. According to Zenways, "Julian Daizan Skinner is the first Englishman to go to Japan and become a Roshi or Zen Master in the rigorous Rinzai tradition of Zen." Yeah, right. No specifications, no explanation about Shinzan Miyamae's standing, or lack there-of, in the Rinzai-shu. Looks like they are rejecting the tradition, yet deem it convenient to take recourse to the authority of a tradition when it fits them. From Shinzan Miyamae Roshi:

Long critical over the system of excessive charges for funerals (equivalent charges to $5000–6000 US dollars are not unusual) Shinzan Rōshi withdrew from the Myoshinji branch of the Rinzai Zen School in 2005.[1] In May 2007 he named Julian Daizan Skinner Rōshi as his successor, presenting him with inka.[2]

References

  1. ^ http://www.japansociety.org.uk/14746/continuity-and-change-in-zen/
  2. ^ "zenways.org/about-our-teachers/#shinzan". Retrieved 2018-04-11.
Reminds of Yasutani roshi, and his break-away from the Soto-shu. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:42, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edits to the Zen Yoga article

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Copied from User talk:Joshua Jonathan#Edits to the Zen Yoga article

Hi Joshua, sorry for calling your edits to the Zen Yoga article inexplicable. I'm not so familiar with the ways of wikipedia - I see now your explanation on the Talk page. I think your criticism of unsourced, WP:SPAM, WP:OR is a little over the top, but I do see your point about WP:UNDUE. It seems the term 'zen yoga' was never used before Master Oki (as referenced). Of course, people would have been doing yoga-like exercises in the Zen world for centuries before but they wouldn't have called them Zen Yoga. Probably Ki-ko or Do-In. You're right that Shinzan Roshi has distanced himself from the Rinzai establishment because of his dispute over funeral charges, but I don't see how that should affect anything that was written here. Also (as far as we know) Daizan Roshi was the first english-born person to become a master in the Rinzai tradition. There have been english-born masters in the Soto tradition, but not in Rinzai before.

We're going to try and re-write the article with your comments in mind. What we were trying to do was to present Zen yoga with a basis in Zen Buddhist practice, with reference to the teaching of the Buddha, that has credence and authenticity. I know many people these days use the term Zen Yoga to refer to their own 'brand' of yoga, without it having any grounding in actual Zen Buddhist practice.

Westmoquette (talk) 08:33, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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@Westmoquette: thank you for your kind message. Wish you success with rewriting the article, but please do keep the policies I referred to in mind. See also WP:RS. And maybe also have a look at WP:COI; who is "we"? Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 10:10, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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