Talk:Yusuf Sayfa

Yusuf Sayfa has been listed as one of the History good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Review: November 12, 2020. (Reviewed version).

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Yusuf Sayfa article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Lebanon Low‑importance

	Lebanon portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Lebanon, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Lebanon-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.LebanonWikipedia:WikiProject LebanonTemplate:WikiProject LebanonLebanon articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Former countries: Ottoman Empire

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Former countries, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of defunct states and territories (and their subdivisions). If you would like to participate, please join the project.Former countriesWikipedia:WikiProject Former countriesTemplate:WikiProject Former countriesformer country articles
	This article is supported by WikiProject Ottoman Empire.

Syria Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Syria, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Syria on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SyriaWikipedia:WikiProject SyriaTemplate:WikiProject SyriaSyria articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Military history: Biography / Ottoman

This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history articles

Associated task forces:
/
	Military biography task force
	Ottoman military history task force

Biography: Military / Politics and Government

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by the military biography work group (assessed as Low-importance).
	This article is supported by the politics and government work group (assessed as Low-importance).

A fact from Yusuf Sayfa appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 December 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Yusuf Sayfa, commander of Ottoman forces in Syria against the Kurdish rebel Janbulad, became the latter's subordinate?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/December. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Yusuf Sayfa.

Wikipedia

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Yusuf Sayfa/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: FunkMonk (talk · contribs) 22:42, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So with that IP triggered review page out of the way, I'll have a look soon. My paternal family is from the Tripoli/Akkar area, so it will be especially interesting for me. FunkMonk (talk) 22:42, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@FunkMonk: I hope you enjoy the read then ;) And thanks for sorting out that mess and taking this review up. Looking forward to your comments and suggestions. Al Ameer (talk) 02:28, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

At first glance, some cities appear to be duplinked, you can highlight them with this script:[1]

Done.

"The establishment of Turkmen and Kurdish military colonies around Tripoli started during Mamluk rule" You could state somewhere when it changed to Ottoman rule?

Done.

Qurqumaz ibn Yunis just links to Ma'n dynasty, which is linked right after him, so seems redundant.

Fixed the link, it now directs to the relevant section of the Ma'n article. If it's still considered redundant, I'll remove it.

"powerful chieftain in Syria" Link Ottoman Syria or something like that?

Done. On a related note, I was not sure whether to use the term Syria (as enough readers may confuse for modern Syria) or the Levant. Thoughts?

Hmmm, I think it's fine as is as long as you somehow make clear that we are talking about Syria as a region early on. Maybe say that it was an Ottoman region divided into administrative subdivisions or something. Or maybe "was a subdivision of Damascus Eyalet spanning the Syrian coastlands" could be something like "was a subdivision of Damascus Eyalet spanning the coastlands of the Ottoman region of Syria/"? FunkMonk (talk) 11:57, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The relevance of the Tripoli Citadel image isn't made clear in its current location, could context maybe be established in the caption?

Done, I think. Al Ameer (talk) 21:50, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"In 1585 an Ottoman expedition was launched against the local chieftains in Syria, including Yusuf." Why? I know there is a linked article, but could be good with a brief explanation here.

Let me know if what I added suffices. Al Ameer (talk) 02:26, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. FunkMonk (talk) 11:57, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The term iltizam doesn't seem to be linked or explained in the article.

Done, clarified that a multazim is a holder of iltizam (tax farm) and there’s already some explanation about tax farming in the region.

Link Shia Muslim?

Done.

Link Baalbek?

Done.

"near the Dog River" Why use an English name here?

Changed to "Nahr al-Kalb river". For this and the below points about the forts, I was not sure whether it was best to use the local name or the English name.

Since the names below are well-known in the west, I think they could be mainly used. But I'm not sure Dog River is as common? Also, there are more instances of the term left if you want to replace them. FunkMonk (talk) 11:57, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, and done for remaining instances of "Dog River". Al Ameer (talk) 19:36, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Yusuf escaped to the Krak des Chevaliers" Would it perhaps be more appropriate to use a contemporary local name for the structure here? Or at least mention it?
Likewise with Beaufort Castle?

Again, for this article and related articles that I have been working on, I was not sure which names would be best. I would think Krak des Chevaliers and Beaufort work better as "common names" for English readers, but maybe the difference is marginal. How about using "Hisn al-Akrad" and "Shaqif Arnun", but on first mention for each I note in parentheses that they refer to the Krak des Chevaliers and Beaufort? Al Ameer (talk) 21:50, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think the western names are common enough that you could just mention their local names in parenthesis after first mention? FunkMonk (talk) 11:57, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, done.

"and demanded that he make peace sealed by a marriage alliance between their families" So were anyone married?

@FunkMonk: Yes, added it. Al Ameer (talk) 02:26, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"who alternaively" Missing t?

Fixed.

"hanging his body at the Kras des Chevaliers" Krak?

Fixed.

Considering how much you've already written about Fakhr al-Din II, I wonder if he'll get the GAN treatment too?

@FunkMonk: Absolutely. There's a lot more work to be done on that draft, and I plan on FAC ultimately. --Al Ameer (talk) 19:36, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's it, will promote, looking forward to related articles! FunkMonk (talk) 01:28, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:45, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(

Comment or view
Article history

)

... that Yusuf Sayfa, commander of Ottoman forces in Syria against the Kurdish rebel Janbulad, became the latter's subordinate?

Reviewed: Nacotchank

Improved to Good Article status by Al Ameer son (talk). Self-nominated at 02:07, 19 November 2020 (UTC).[reply]

The nomination still needs a QPQ requirement. Please be aware that a QPQ is expected to be completed within a week of nomination. Thank you. Flibirigit (talk) 14:34, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Flibirigit: QPQ done. Al Ameer (talk) 16:44, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. A full review is still needed. Flibirigit (talk) 16:46, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall:

GA promoted on November 11, DYK nomination made on November 18 (timestamp says "19th" but the edit histories show that this is time zone silliness). A very long and thorough article with pretty credible sources. Looks good to roam the main page. jp×g 00:47, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]