Talk:Yandere Simulator/Archive 1

Archive 1

Website

The game has an official website: http://yanderesimulator.com

Will it be necesary to edit this into the sidebar, along with the only overview information? I would do it myself, but not sure if necessary/appropriate, or even how to do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.101.175 (talk) 22:28, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Fake Death

What is the proof that this is a planned feature? 79.129.253.63 (talk) 14:36, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Having followed this game for a while, I don't think it is. I think whoever wrote that was thinking of the ability to push students off the roof and leave their shoes at the top to make it look like they committed suicide. I've edited it accordingly. Raymond1922 (talk) 01:49, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Genre

I ripped off Hitman's infobox for this game, but I'm not sure the genre can really be called stealth. Does this fit anywhere as we know it? Zero Serenity ^{(talk - contributions)} 21:04, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

• I suppose that it could fit into stealth technically since part of the game requires players to hide their kills and sneak up on people. The game looks like it's probably developing in that direction, anyway. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:09, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
• But no... it doesn't really fit easily into any categories that I can think of. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:09, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
• Even though this game is not meant to be played live, it does have a clock/timer, as well as unpredicted reactions from students to abnormalties. WOuld this game be considered real-time strategy/tactics? Eltusc1 --Eltusc1 (talk) 16:49, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Is it necessary for introducing rivals in detail?

WP:VGSCOPE--逆襲的天邪鬼 (talk) 17:11, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Probably not. I'd support trimming/removal of content. Me, Myself & I (☮) (talk) 17:49, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

• I think it should be necessary, as, in the general section, it just says "ten different rivals in order to ensure that her crush, Senpai, will not fall for the other girls" but it has no indication as to who these 'rivals' are. This could allude to any random student in Akademi High. --Eltusc1 (talk) 16:53, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Ref tag

there is a ref tag on the top of the article, is that meant to be there, or is it added there by accident? --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 01:11, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Context?

At the end of the Development section, it states this.

On March 1, 2017, YandereDev announced a partnership with tinyBuild that would help him with polishing and promoting the game. Through mutual agreement, the partnership was broken up again in December that year. Later, drama exposés came up around March 2018.

Ignoring how poorly written this whole paragraph is, there's no context given as to what that last sentence is referring to or what these "drama exposés" are. Would anybody be able to expand or even rewrite this? 109.78.54.211 (talk) 13:22, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

And there it goes. Zero Serenity ^{(talk - contributions)} 17:40, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Yandev's criticism

I've been reading around, and most of his assets used in the game are actually stolen. He did mention they were placeholders, but it's been years now. His main artist, Mulberry, is also a plagiarist and most of her drawings are heavily referenced. I think people have a right to know... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamingjusamur (talk • contribs) 13:15, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

WP:NOTFORUM Zero Serenity ^{(talk - contributions)} 14:48, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

No, the majority of the game's assets are *not* stolen, and no, Mulberry is *not* a plagiarist.B.A.B.E. (talk) 07:04, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

• Yes* they are and *yes* she is, EvaXephon. You saying that doesn't make it correct.2606:6000:60CC:C900:496E:C2D0:1467:6CA0 (talk) 18:52, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

In fact, you replying to this developer of Yandere Simulator who is also known as EvaXephon and now also as B.A.B.E. only confirmed that you indeed steal assets and she is indeed a plagiarist. are ya coding son 94.44.124.179 (talk) 01:18, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Did you guys even compare the so called stolen assets ? Look at the Room YandereChan has, compare it in Maya with the MMD Stage, it isn't even alike, same applies for the Streets and Gym; assets that are said to be stolen, but they're not, ask the volunteers themselves who made it also: QVA & SweetPotatoes & Riot Environment Artist (Unknown)

Upcoming is debatable

The statement that says that Yandere Simulator is a upcoming game is debatable, considering no proper updates have been made in years, essentially stagnating the game's development. It is more accurate to say that the game is in 'early-access' or that it will be released in the future, but the word upcoming that the game will be released soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.181.234.92 (talk) 10:29, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

I haven't been following developments on this closely, but the latest update blog post seems to have been authored on July 1. This suggests that the game is still in development as of two weeks ago. Whether or not the updates provided are "proper" is not ours to judge. As long as the game is not said to be cancelled, we should not assume that it is. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 11:03, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

That is my argument, that the word 'Upcoming' is inaccurate in this context. Just because it is being developed, doesn't mean it's upcoming. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.181.234.92 (talk) 19:42, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

"Upcoming" generally means that it is in development with the intent to release. How long this will still be is not mentioned. Omitting "upcoming" would just require us to alter the wording to something "... in development by ...", the same meaning but with more words. IceWelder [✉] 19:52, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

The Time Pyramid is a piece of art that is being constructed with the intention of finishing it. Would that be an upcoming finished piece of art, despite it will take literally 1173 years to finish? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.181.234.92 (talk) 20:26, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Also, before I forget, the actual wording is this: 'Yandere Simulator is an upcoming stealth action video game in development by YandereDev', so, not a difficult correction to make. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.181.234.92 (talk) 20:35, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

the spinoff's name

the spinoff of this game just changed its name recently to "Love Letter", but i am unable to add these changes. Malkallam333 (talk) 00:42, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Malkallam333, I would update but all the sources call it "lovesick" so I'll leave it until it gets a bit more notable Ed6767 talk! 01:46, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Understandable, have a pleasant day Malkallam333 (talk) 10:52, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

add a controversy section

its worth talking about how controversial alex mahan is as a developer and a person

(link removed for potential BLP concerns, can still be found in the history)

2001:8003:2D46:E500:495B:1BA9:6097:FCD6 (talk) 04:40, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, would be nice to have something about the project management, the rejection of constructive criticism (uh... else if? heavy assets?), and the watashi no mono threat stuff. But it does feel unfair for some gaming mag to shit on a "unfinished" indie game, especially in the middle of a pissstorm with someone threatening suicide, so no good sources for that… yet.

If he did publish the game, it could be handled like any other bad stuff being sold like Kingdom Come. Now it's just a free-for-all. --Artoria2e5 🌉 10:12, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Artoria2e5 and IP, I wrote the "Criticism" section that is currently in the article, however, per WP:BLP and WP:NPOV we can't just shit on YandereDev, especially when no big publication is following it. TRO, Kappa Kaiju and others have made great video essays on this subject, but it's unlikely they'll pass WP:RS, so what's currently there is the most neutral and covered things I could add at this point in time. Ed6767 talk! 15:54, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

I removed the doc, it could be a WP:BLP violation. Zero Serenity ^{(talk - contributions)} 16:57, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Zero Serenity, not really. Is a link to external resources and is opinion, and if it is a BLP issue we probably need oversight to get rid of it. Ed6767 talk! 18:33, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Bruh, can we just remove that link and suppress it?! Linking to an expose document about a living person not backed up with reliable sources (and especially accusing someone of being really unsavory) opens up a good can of WP:BLP-related worms. ❤︎PrincessPandaWiki (talk | contribs) 02:45, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

PrincessPandaWiki, follow the protocol at WP:OS Ed6767 talk! 10:07, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

It was decided that the link isn't too "gross" to be rev-deleted. Removing the link and letting it stay in the history would be a good course for now. ❤︎PrincessPandaWiki (talk | contribs) 13:55, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Name Censorship

I've noticed multiple wikiters have been reverting whenever Yandev's actual name is revealed with sources.

I ask for this to be stopped. Because we all know his real name, and we all know his voice. At this point, REVERTING his name is stupid. --Sereniama (talk) 19:59, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Just because you say that, doesn't mean a reliable source says its his name. Zero Serenity ^{(talk - contributions)} 01:45, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

YandereDev has stated in an interview that his first name is Alex and he's verified it on twitter: https://twitter.com/YandereDev/status/657312179629248514 so at least could that be included? --SymphonianLegend (talk) 05:44, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

The development section does already cover the first name:

Yandere Simulator is developed by YandereDev, a 31–32-year-old freelance game developer identified as Alex and based in Temecula, California.

(emphasis added)

All info in that sentence is extracted from the two adjacent reliable sources and therefore perfectly fine to keep here. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 08:20, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't catch that, thank you. --SymphonianLegend (talk) 12:16, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Yandere Developer's censorship?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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User B.A.B.E. is an alternate account that belongs to EvaXephon/YandereDev (he's used Evaxephon handle in Twitch streams) and I think he's trying to censor his suicide threat towards Love Letter's developer. It was noticed by people outside of Yandere Simulator's community and the influx of people led YandereDev into reinforcing security in his Discord and Reddit as well as possibly losing support in development, so I feel like it's notorious enough to be included. On that note, the developer is also heavily criticized for his censorship, should it be included as well? --SymphonianLegend (talk) 07:48, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

SymphonianLegend, yes, this is true as far as I can tell, especially looking at the history of his user page. I will take this to WP:COIN. Ed6767 talk! 13:39, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

I do think the section that was deleted is completely irrelevant/not sourced with RS. Zero Serenity ^{(talk - contributions)} 17:17, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Zero Serenity, as with any indie game article, the same could be said about the rest of the article tbh. Ed6767 talk! 18:14, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Touhou Project, Undertale, Papers Please, I could go on. None of this gossip nonsense appears in those articles. Zero Serenity ^{(talk - contributions)} 19:01, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Maybe because their developers aren't anywhere near as controversial as the developer of this game, not to mention how they are actually released, far more popular, have larger fanbases and therefore more reliable sources to back claims? You might want to give WP:CRIT a read. It isn't really nonsensical if it's been covered in many reliable sources (see WP:VG/S). The coverage of this controversy is probably the most mainstream coverage this game has had in years and was even notable enough to prompt a response from the developer of the game and multiple media outlets, unlike similar controversies that have remained gossip, therefore I'd argue that it is very much notable enough to remain in the article. Ed6767 talk! 19:28, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Based on what you said, that entire line should go since none of the sources are in the VG/S list. Zero Serenity ^{(talk - contributions)} 19:34, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

The Yandere Developer does tie drama and controversy very closely with the game's development seeing as he frequently cites it as a major reason why the game keeps being delayed. Not to mention he relies on volunteers to accomplish some tasks within game development and particularly the suicide threat made volunteers shift support towards Love Letter's Dev at least according to Yandere Dev in a screenshot-SymphonianLegend (talk) 20:19, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

It's not Wikipedia's job to chronicle his drama, unless reliable secondary sources are taking note. The sources in use are weak at best, outright unreliable at worse, and certainly don't show any widespread coverage. -- ferret (talk) 21:03, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I've looked into it and I agree with the lack of RS although I still think the suicide threat was remarkable enough to be noted. I was really hesitant because the Developer's intention was most likely wanting to cover it up, but seeing as experienced editors agree that it doesn't belong here and that there's not enough quality coverage of it then I'll be dropping the subject as well. -- SymphonianLegend (talk) 03:10, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Zero Serenity, you should know that the list on WP:VG/S is non-exhaustive. The first section of VG/S tells you this. I've reverted your removal until we can reach consensus and would prefer to get a WP:3O - the core purpose of this is to prevent an edit war between people who agree this should be here and people who believe it shouldn't be here, A WP:3O or a WP:RfC would establish consensus to either option and prevent a dispute and provide a definite non-biased resolution. Again, I still argue that it should stay as while it has relevance to the development of the game, but we should get another editors outside opinion here. Ed6767 talk! 21:05, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

(actually restored the RM due to expressed concerns, if somebody wishes to add it back please reach consensus in this thread first) Ed6767 talk! 21:08, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

I bounced this off a couple of other people before coming to this conclusion. It just felt too weak to be worth inclusion, and I'm reminded of the "The article should be about the game itself, less the people surrounding it." Zero Serenity ^{(talk - contributions)} 21:27, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Zero Serenity, that's fair then. I'll leave this now, but if anyone else wants to continue this discussion they can do so. Ed6767 talk! 21:43, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to further put forth the argument that these are close to, if not definitely, BLP claims that need strong reliable sourcing above question. These clickbait sites don't suffice. -- ferret (talk) 22:22, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

The user who removed this was YandereDev himself, making this a conflict of interest edit. Plenty of websites have reported on the current controversy. If you think the current sources are unreliable, I'm sure there are plenty of others that can be used, instead. Lastly, if you think this doesn't belong in the development/criticism section, we can add a controversy section, like many other articles have done before. Rickraptor707 (talk) 01:50, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

That YandereDev removed it first is irrelevant, experienced editors unrelated to him have removed it since. The burden to provide reliable sources lies with those who want to include the content, especially in regards to controversial WP:BLP edits. Beyond the BLP sourcing issues, article isn't about YandereDev, but about Yandere Simulator. -- ferret (talk) 01:56, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Rickraptor707, yes, he removed it first, then we readded it, then we removed it again - but that along with the, now that I've looked into them more, admittedly weak sources I used when originally writing that section and the points made above, I've changed my mind and tbh think it should remain removed for now. We have to abide by WP:BLP and WP:V. I had to look far and wide to back up those claims with sources. The core issue is that quite frankly there is not enough reliable coverage of this situation, however, I do not doubt that given the current situation, these will soon become more common and far less sparse than they are now. See ferrets points above. Ed6767 talk! 02:02, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 July 2020

The drama about Yandere-Dev with suicide should be reported on and not removed, it did happen even if the claims are not clear it should be recorded he did threaten life. 47.17.148.94 (talk) 00:54, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:03, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. (see above) Ed6767 talk! 01:46, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 September 2020

185.95.207.52 (talk) 20:45, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 20:59, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 October 2020

Change "Yandere Simulator is an upcoming stealth action video game in development by Californian game developer YandereDev" to "Yandere Simulator is a PC game in its demo stage by Californian game developer YandereDev"

Change the two pictures of Yandere Chan with high/low sanity to be in line with what the game looks like now (i.e. sanity meter has changed, windows are now transparent, etc.) 104.186.179.65 (talk) 15:40, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: A game in "demo" or "beta' stage is still an "upcoming" game. The default style will remain.

You'll have provide your own screenshots to update the article to, no one here can simply make new screen shots. -- ferret (talk) 16:06, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Rivals

Shouldn’t the rivals be in this Wikipedia page? SlugQween (talk) 17:52, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

• No.122.180.218.65 (talk) 11:50, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Controversy section

I think it would be reasonable for there to be a whole section for the controversies involving the development of the game. I also think there should be the creation of a wiki page on yanderedev to give history of him including his personal controversies. Jw4332 (talk) 13:17, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

There absolutely should not be. Wikipedia isn't the place for this game's community to air it's dirty laundry and complain about the dev. -- ferret (talk) 15:18, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Please read WP:CSECTION. Sergecross73 msg me 17:00, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I believe that there should be more stuff about the Dev's actions, not a full page though. He's attracted a lot of controversy in the last year that I believe is notable enough to be in the article. Vader13289 (talk) 02:34, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Do any of them follow WP:RS guidelines? Zero Serenity ^{(talk - contributions)} 03:52, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

This sort of question has been brought up mutiple times. Maybe popping a {{FAQ}} to the top of the page would be useful? — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 08:00, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

I think that the biggest problem with this situation is that there aren't any big reliable sources on the Dev's controversies right now. The last major articles about Yandere Dev are about Love Letter, and before that are articles from 2016. I believe that most if not all of the controversies are valid and should be in this article, but we have to wait until someone writes an article about him or something. Vader13289 (talk) 21:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 February 2021

Remove the linking to Monika from under Development as that article has been redirected per AFD William278 (talk) 14:20, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Done. Zero Serenity ^{(talk - contributions)} 15:43, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2021

Change the “32-33-year old” segment under the Development tab to “32 year old”. Alex was born in June of 1988. CheckYourGrammar (talk) 08:33, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 09:03, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Needs balancing

Yandere Simulator is a very controversial video game, and I believe this page has sanitised the controversies, especially with regards to asset theft, the developer and the development cycle. It would be great if we could gather a small work force to look for reliable sources (check Youtube video descriptions about the game, they tend to contain the sources) and balance this article. It previously read like an advert for the game and ignored all of the development issues. Naihreloe (talk) 17:00, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Youtube is not considered a reliable source, therefore there's nothing to add from that. Zero Serenity ^{(talk - contributions)} 04:46, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I didn't say Youtube videos, I'm fully aware of what a reliable source is. I'm saying in the descriptions a lot of Youtubers will put sources they've used to create the videos. Some of these are reliable :) Naihreloe (talk) 10:16, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Then please share said sources. Zero Serenity ^{(talk - contributions)} 11:20, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Error

"A provincial release date of 2021" should be "provisional."98.246.153.16 (talk) 07:26, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done Cannolis (talk) 02:42, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Can this be added?

On January 1, 2018, as part of a collaboration with Team Salvato, Monika and the other main characters of Doki Doki Literature Club! were added to Yandere Simulator as playable character. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bribemylar (talk • contribs) 12:00, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

No reliable secondary coverage so why should it be included? -- ferret (talk) 14:04, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

There's many thing without a reliable secondary source on Wikipedia. Dawsongfg (talk) 17:38, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

And they aren't suppose to be. They are removed all the time. -- ferret (talk) 18:00, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

I mean then again who would end up making a reliable coverage of this? Dawsongfg (talk) 01:38, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2022

"Yandere Simulator is developed by YandereDev, a 33–34-year-old freelance game developer identified as Alex "

Change to

"Yandere Simulator is developed by YandereDev, a 34-year-old freelance game developer identified as Alex "

He is 34. His birthday is June 30th 1988. Wimpkitty (talk) 02:23, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. General Ization ^Talk 02:24, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Yan sim

People they can get to choose the gender of the senpai 105.163.18.188 (talk) 13:00, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

They can't. If you try it'll come up with that it's not in the game yet. Naihreloe (talk) 13:50, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 October 2022

Change publisher to TBA, as Yandere Dev, in the past, has explored the idea of other companies publishing the game LordEnma (talk) 16:17, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:18, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Yandere dev on his youtube channel has stated that he was working with TinyBuild to publish and develop the game, but that plan was eventually canceled. Also, he hasn't ever confirmed whether or not he'll self publish the game LordEnma (talk) 16:21, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

That's not a reliable source. Unless you have reliable sources the change will not happen. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:22, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

So coming directly from the developers mouth isn't reliable? LordEnma8 (talk) 16:27, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

That's a primary source. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:29, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

The policy doesn't say you can't make changes based on primary sources. LordEnma8 (talk) 16:42, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm still not going to add it. If another editor disagrees with my assessment then feel free to add it. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:42, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Earlier (6/10/2022), Blaze Wolf removed a link to distractify as a source, saying "I'm not quite sure if Distractify can be considered reliable". But reference #18 still uses a link to distractify, it probably flew below the radar. The link also doesn't really back up anything which was stated. Seeing that it's a link which trolls have been using to vandalize the page I suspect someone snuck it in there in a place where it wouldn't be likely caught. If the point of the source was to back up that yanderedev is called yanderedev then any other link could be used, like reference #16 for example. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1810:4F0B:500:EC44:51AB:6357:A4F4 (talk) 23:21, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

My edits are being reverted because of “sourcing issues”

1. The developers own video announcing the release of the demo is a reliable source. 2. The KYM page cites multiple posts that document their speedruns, wich I tried to cite too. UnkreativeFrog (talk) 16:06, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

@UnkreativeFrog: 1. And? See WP:RSPYOUTUBE. 2. I don't care, Know Your Meme is not reliable ever. See WP:KNOWYOURMEME. I suggest you actually read WP:RSP because the vast majority of the sources you cited there are unreliable. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

1. This is absurd. What is more reliable than the developer themselve annoucing something about his game. 2. The KYM page documents a meme-phenomenon in which thousands participated. I understand that KYM isn’t a always reliable source so I tried to directly cite the individual posts and search for additional sources discussing it. 3. I know the rules, thank you UnkreativeFrog (talk) 16:19, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

@User:Blaze Wolf, User:Zero Serenity UnkreativeFrog (talk) 16:57, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Blaze's position is correct. This article is not a regurgitation of every twitter or youtube video the developer makes. If RSPs aren't taking note of the changes or his week to week postings, then it doesn't belong here. -- ferret (talk) 17:31, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

I know why the "speedrun" is popular again, but unless its reported by RSP and its origins are elaborated on, there is no reason to add it in here. A bunch of trolls do not an article make. Zero Serenity ^{(talk - contributions)} 17:37, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Mention of the city that the developer is based in - doxing?

YandereDev has stated that he has never publicly revealed what city he lives in. People *do* know what city he lives in, but it's because his home address was doxxed by trolls. That city is named in this article.

Revealing what city someone lives in - when that information was posted online maliciously, without the individual's consent or approval - seems inappropriate. Should the city name be removed from the article? 192.190.255.173 (talk) 07:16, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

YES 46.232.211.150 (talk) 23:59, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

The citations from reputable sources mention the city he is in. It can stay as not doxing. If it was a more specific street address, then we would make considerations. Zero Serenity ^{(talk - contributions)} 17:18, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Request for page protection decrease

In July of 2020, lots of drama was floating around about the developer of this game, and since there were a lot of unverified changes, it was rightly Semi-protected. However, unlike lots of other pages, the page was never unprotected. This is incosistiant with wikipedia's policies and rules, and has led to the page being deprived of many changes it needs. Therefore, I request the removal of the current protection from the page. Just wanna get some consensus from other editors 38.22.153.175 (talk) 01:13, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

You're mistaken. Long standing protections are not inconsistent with our policies and rules. They're used when a topic repeatedly sees disruption that resumes each time a protection expires. Most protected articles that need updating see a regular stream of edit requests on their talk page. However, this topic does not, so it's unlikely that protection is explicitly preventing any sort of updates that have reliable secondary coverage. In fact, most of the recent edits by edit confirmed accounts have been inappropriate and sourced to primary forum/blog posts. Please provide an example of a few of the missing updates that are backed by reliable secondary sources. -- ferret (talk) 01:46, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Edit request on May 1, 2023

The way that the "Demo" section is currently written feels like it was just randomly cut off. I would add the following sentence between the two current ones to make it flow better: "Since the release of the original demo, four 'revisions" have been released that feature major changes and improvements". LordEnma8 (talk) 00:24, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Come on. Over and over we've told you, it must have reliable secondary sources. This time you haven't even provided an unreliable or unusable primary source. Please provide a source that covers the release of various demo versions or revisions. -- ferret (talk) 01:13, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

This stupid yandere dev hid the damn thing deep in his blog post, but i found it.

"You might have noticed that, at some point in time, I put the words “REVISION B” on the title screen. That was to mark the moment that I considered the demo to have made a significant step forward, like moving from “A” to “B”. As of this build, I feel that the demo has changed enough to have taken another step forward, so I’ve updated the title screen to say “REVISION C”"

It appears here: https://yanderedev.wordpress.com/2021/06/01/june-1st-big-update/

It also appears here: https://yanderedev.wordpress.com/2023/02/02/202x-tutorial-update/

This will be used for one single sentence LordEnma8 (talk) 01:49, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok so, no reliable secondary sources? -- ferret (talk) 01:50, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

As i said, it we used for one. Single. Sentence. It can also be confirmed by literally downloading and playing the damn game. Oh, and i see that you're nuking the article of single lined sentences that have had consensus for years, so i guess ill need to gain consensus from others instead LordEnma8 (talk) 01:53, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok then. Apparently you still haven't read WP:V. Please understand, this continued ignoring of sourcing could eventually lead to a full block. Please also read WP:OR, in regards to just "downloading and playing the damn game." -- ferret (talk) 01:55, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Put it up to a vote then, and see what other contributors think LordEnma8 (talk) 01:57, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

This edit request is quite possibly the polar opposite of what would be needed to prove that your partial block should be lifted. You didn't do the edit request right (you forgot to add the template) and you failed to provide a third party reliable source that backs the content. This is precisely why you're currently blocked from it. Sergecross73 msg me 01:58, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

So what do we do if there are none, for the entire topic? LordEnma8 (talk) 02:01, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Please read WP:VNT. If you can't source it, don't add it. Sergecross73 msg me 02:02, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

You didnt answer my question. Try to find me one single article about yandere simulator that was posted after 2021. You cant find any. So what, are we just not supposed to ever update the article again outside of small grammer changes? LordEnma8 (talk) 02:05, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

To be very short and to the point: Yes. If there are no new sources, we make no new updates. -- ferret (talk) 02:05, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

So why is reference 14 still there? Or are you gonna get rid of it as soon as I mention it to you? LordEnma8 (talk) 02:07, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes. Sergecross73 msg me 02:15, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

So why is reference 14 still there? Or are you gonna get rid of it as soon as I mention it to you? LordEnma8 (talk) 02:16, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

I did not write this article, nor have I reviewed it entirely, nor is it in my plans to clean it up. So you're asking the wrong person. But I do think you should familiarize yourself with the concept of "other stuff exists" - just because you find something present on Wikipedia does not mean it was right to be there. There's no implicit endorsement of "it's here so that means it's acceptable". You might just be pointing out another error needing fixing. Sergecross73 msg me 02:21, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Of course i did, and ferret's just gonna get rid of it without consensus again. Fine, i'll concede. Ill just go to other articles that actually have active sources LordEnma8 (talk) 02:29, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Edit request on May 2, 2023

Change "monopolizing" to "attracting" for clarity and readability. Or change it to gaining, whichever one works best LordEnma8 (talk) 04:21, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Done. --Mvqr (talk) 11:59, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Edit Request on May 4, 2023

Change "who has developed a crush on Taro Yamada, a fellow student nicknamed "Senpai" to "who has developed a crush on fellow student Taro Yamada (nicknamed "Senpai")" LordEnma8 (talk) 20:07, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Original version is correct. Callmemirela 🍁 02:49, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

The change was for improved readability and consistency, not objectivity, as both express the same facts LordEnma8 (talk) 14:42, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Again, the original version is correct. Callmemirela 🍁 14:54, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Hmm... I feel we could move the "fellow student" part to before "Taro Yamada" and instead have it read "who has developed a crush on fellow student Taro Yamada, nicknamed 'Senpai'" so it flows a bit better. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:58, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

@Callmemirela Just because it's "correct" in your judgment doesn't mean we can't change it to be more consistant with the sentence before it and to make it flow better with the article. With how it's worded now it just sounds weird LordEnma8 (talk) 15:14, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Let's refocus. The awkward sentence structure aside, we have a sourcing issue here. The supplied Siliconera source mentions neither character's names, nor the nickname Yandere-chan. The only name mentioned is Senpai. Which source actually presents the names? -- ferret (talk) 15:30, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ferret Get out of here with your reference bullcrap, that wasn't the original topic at hand, and do you really wanna delete the main characters name? Just cite the website with the characters name, but oh wait, i forgot, we can't site primary sources, well, i guess we're gonna have to get rid of the main character's real names. Sadge LordEnma8 (talk) 15:45, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

This comment is incredibly unconstructive and adds nothing to the discussion at hand. Callmemirela 🍁 15:46, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok? that doesn't change the fact that Ferret just randomly came in and tried to make this about sources when the original discussion was about weirdly worded sentences. So i was just trying to get the topic back on track LordEnma8 (talk) 15:50, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

that doesn't change the fact that Ferret just randomly came in and tried to make this about sources when the original discussion was about weirdly worded sentences and? We shouldn't be worrying about the phrasing if there are issues with the sourcing. The phrasing is irrelevant if the sourcing doesn't support it. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:51, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

My suggestion would be just to cite the main character website with consensus to keep the changes at a minimum, but since most of those have been removed or reverted, we might need to look elsewhere LordEnma8 (talk) 15:54, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Would you review the existing sources and see if one contains the names? Also, since we're trying to clarify this, Senpai is less a nickname than an honorific. -- ferret (talk) 16:15, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

reference number one mentions yandere chan as Ayano, but refers to Taro as Senpai, if that helps LordEnma8 (talk) 16:31, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

No it doesn't. It only mentions Ayano and says that she is Yandere-chan. Taro is not mentioned anywhere in the source by name and only as "senpai" ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:33, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Using the source to support that Taro is senpai is straight up WP:SYNTH. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:34, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

That's what i said, "Senpai" is Taro, but the source refers to him as "senpai". I know that "senpai" is Taro, but the source just says "senpai", so it's only half of what we need LordEnma8 (talk) 16:35, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Exactly. So all that source tells us is that Ayano is Yandere-chan and there's another character simply named "senpai", not that senpai is Taro. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:37, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

thats why i said "it's only half of what we need" LordEnma8 (talk) 16:37, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok, find a source that supports Taro being senpai then. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:40, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Source 16 (Now 6, after edit) was the answer. I've adjusted the sourcing and changed the sentence structure. Taro is referred to as senpai in the standard honorific fashion. It is not a nickname. To be honest, the bit about the Yandere-chan nickname is wonky. Does the game use that nickname in-plot? Or is it wholly an out-of-game nickname? -- ferret (talk) 17:43, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

She is referred to in the game as yandere-chan or "yan-chan", most notably in the 202X tutorial LordEnma8 (talk) 17:58, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Do you have a source for this? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:00, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

He asked me a question, so I answered it for him. Since Yandere dev really only started referring to yandere-chan as Ayano around 2017, it might be hard to find a source, since most of the time, she is referred to as "yandere-chan", even in game LordEnma8 (talk) 18:02, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Edit request on May 23, 2023

Remove "complete" from the 1980s mode section about the soundtrack. LordEnma8 (talk) 16:10, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Why? Please explain why this change is needed or is proper. The source says that the 1980s mode "completely" changes the soundtrack. -- ferret (talk) 16:12, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

well, I think it sounds nicer, "a new complete soundtrack" just sounds weird to me. LordEnma8 (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I changed it to "a completely new soundtrack", which matched the exact adverb used by source, and sounds more natural. -- ferret (talk) 16:43, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Edit request on July 25, 2023

Move the "demo" section of story and gameplay to the development section

Remove "one" from "with the most apparent one being fans' frustration"

These changes are made to improve readability and to make it all make sense LordEnma8 (talk) 20:32, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

 Partly done: Section move done. The allegation section has sourcing issues, and I've made some tweaks to break up what's failing WP:V currently and what was properly sourced. -- ferret (talk) 00:16, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Edit request on September 27, 2023

Due to the changes made by ferret, the current flow of the controversy section feels empty and doesnt feel right. I would change it to read as follows:

Throughout the development of Yandere Simulator, the game has been subject to controversy. An example of which is fans concerns over how long development of the game has taken.

Twitch ban

In 2016, the game was added to a list of banned explicit games by the streaming service Twitch. In a statement made to Kotaku, YandereDev blamed "self-righteous ideologies" for the ban.

Obviously, adding sources where necessary. We have the sources to back up the first sentence with respect to the articles about the twitch ban and long development times. And with this format, it can be expanded later if more primary sources become available LordEnma8 (talk) 01:06, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

WP:CSECTION actually recommends we avoid having a criticism section at all unless unavoidable. There's really so little to say here with currently available sourcing. The section should probably just be renamed to "Reception" at this time or merged into Development entirely. it can be expanded later if more primary sources become available - No, it can't. Primary sources aren't suitable for this kind of thing. -- ferret (talk) 01:46, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, what i should've said was reliable secondary sources, sorry i wasnt specific enough for you LordEnma8 (talk) 04:10, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Unsourced content

Citation number 11 doesn't mention anything about the release of new builds, so that's why I initially removed it, as well as for its flow, but obviously, it's flow was not the sole reason for removal, since even it the article mentioned debug builds, it still failed verification LordEnma8 (talk) 17:25, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done - removed by ferret. Sergecross73 msg me 18:39, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Add Category:Temecula California

The developer of the game lives in my town, and the game was originally developed here, so it should be added. 2600:1012:B163:91F1:CD31:4B8F:8B8B:F7C0 (talk) 01:22, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

We don't categorize video game development below the national level. The article is appropriately in Category:Video games developed in the United States. -- ferret (talk) 01:24, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Edit Request on September 29, 2023

Remove the current mention of fan concern over the long development and replace it with a new one in its own section, as follows:

Yandere Simulator is developed by YandereDev, a freelance game developer identified as Alex and based in Temecula, California. He first pitched the idea on He first pitched the idea on 4chan in 2014, and after receiving positive feedback, decided to begin development.

In 2016, the game was added to the list of banned games by the streaming service Twitch. In a statement made to Kotaku, YandereDev blamed "self-righteous ideologies" for the ban.

On March 1, 2017, YandereDev announced a partnership with tinyBuild that would help him polish, promote, and publish the game. On June 10, 2018, YandereDev announced that the partnership ended with the company in December 2017.

Fans have voiced concerns over the extensive 9 year development process of the game.

Why? Please explain why this change is needed or is proper.

This would not only improve the flow of the article, but would also give direct mention to the exact development time, which the article previously lacked. LordEnma8 (talk) 02:31, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

The source currently in place covers 2014-2017, so they're about the general length of development at that time. Do you have a source to back making this statement about the "9 year development" process? This needs a new source. -- ferret (talk) 23:07, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

I didnt think i needed a source for the date on the calendar, but if it's really an issue, you can just strike the 9 year part and add it without mention of the exact length of development LordEnma8 (talk) 23:48, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

It's not to source that it's been in development for 9 years, but that fans have been complaining for 9 years. -- ferret (talk) 23:53, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done Phrase moved as requested to the end. -- ferret (talk) 23:54, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Controversy: inappropriate discussions with a minor

A recent controversy has to do with the developer having inappropriate conversations with a minor, 16-year old fan.

This has been discussed by the developer, the fan, and also some YouTube and TikTok folks (but I’m not on social media so I don’t have links).

The developer and fan admitted that the conversations were inappropriate (even if there wasn’t any grooming) so it’s probably appropriate to use stronger wording than “allegations.” Albeit the social media reports seem more dramatic than how it was described in primary sources (e.g. who sent the first messages). 2601:642:C400:FCF0:998E:F61B:9FD6:5C43 (talk) 07:26, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Secondary reliable sourcing is required for controversial information like this. Discussion of this topic runs dangerously close to Wikipedia privacy policies that would require the information taken down. Unless someone is replying with a reliable secondary source covering this, the topic should not be discussed further here. Unfortunately, despite numerous attempts by people who follow this project to insert controversies and allegations against the developer, no reliable secondary sourcing has ever surfaced. This simply violates our WP:BLP policy unless such sources are found. Blogs, social media, reddit, are not reliable. -- ferret (talk) 13:40, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

This is correct. Additionally, said reliable 2nd/3rd party sourcing should tie such information into the game itself as well, as this isn't an article about the developer, it's an article about a video game. Sergecross73 msg me 13:44, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Secondary sources include: "Yandere Simulator Developer Admits To Grooming Allegations" and "What Happened to Yandere Dev?".

I don't know about the history of this page and what other edits folks wanted to push. However, this controversy is relevant because it is delaying the game's development significantly. Many staff left and contractors are requesting that their assets are game. From the first of those articles, "The Yandere Simulator developer allegations as well as the Voice Actress leaving resulted in several other members of Yandere Simulator team quitting the project as well." From the second article, "Looks like Yandere Simulator is set to take even longer from here." It would fit in the "Development" section of this wikipedia page. And Yandere Dev, himself, mentioned in his Apology post that this controversy will affect development and release time of the game.

TLDR; this is relevant to the video game because its a huge setback for development and a release date. 71.204.141.86 (talk) 06:43, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Imagine implying Yandere Simulator will ever release. Uh, I mean, those sources are probably not reliable enough (but they may be, I just haven't heard of them before). LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 06:46, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

No, these sources are not reliable. GamerBraves was found unreliable by WP:VG/S and Distractify is apparently WP:USERG / self-published with a currently active discussion at WP:RSN. -- ferret (talk) 12:48, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't think it's impossible, but it'd be fairly difficult to implement information about YandereDev's controversies into an article about Yandere Simulator. The closest I can get with a 2nd/3rd-party source within sourcing guidelines (that I'm aware of) is "Yandere Simulator Devs And Voice Actors Quit Following Grooming Allegations Against Creator", and even then, I'm not sure if it's truly a good one to use (primarily because it and every other article I've seen so far doesn't bring up something like the game's nonexistent release date, or really anything blatantly intertwined with the game itself). Another problem would be that it's either putting controversies about YD into the YS article or making a page exclusively for the former, which would be fairly clunky and require even more sources. Zormego (talk) 06:47, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Well, there's also the fact that the your “news article“ you linked to pretty much states that the whole allegation was a hoax Trade (talk) 13:21, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Sourcing

I'm going to try and find good/better sourcing than what's in the article. See my comments at the AfD for a better explanation, but basically my concern is that a lot of the sourcing is trivial or borderline trivial. When I created this I was honestly expecting that more, better sourcing would come about to fill the (many) issues with the sourcing I used when creating the article. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 15:48, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

• So far it's repeating the same issues, specifically that the sourcing either summarizes a primary source (or another article) or only mentions the game in passing as with this source. This seems good, but it's an undergraduate degree and still kind of in passing. It doesn't help that both are more about the drama surrounding the game. I'd like to avoid relying on sourcing like that since it could pose some issues as far as BLP goes (even though this isn't a bio of a living person).

This is definitely better, as it's a PhD dissertation that extensively mentions YS. The game is not the focus of the dissertation and is mentioned as an example, but the doctoral student does comment upon the game, including some of the issues people had with the content. This is a good step in the right direction. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 15:56, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

That would be appreciated. One of the article's primarily maintainers is currently WP:PBLOCKed from editing the article, largely in part due to their continued mishandling of sourcing issues, so I imagine there's plenty of room for improvement possible if we get some more experienced editors knowledgeable about our sourcing standards on the job. Sergecross73 msg me 15:58, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

I looked through wikipedia policy, and i still don't see where it says that removing sourced content for things like their flow is prohibited. It is discouraged, but never prohibited.. LordEnma8 (talk) 18:21, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

"One of the article's primarily maintainers is currently WP:PBLOCKed from editing the article, largely in part due to their continued mishandling of sourcing issues" Mind letting us others in to as to what happened? Trade (talk) 18:31, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

I was blocked because one of my edit summaries didn't properly state what I was doing, and because another one of my edits removed content that i believed could've been better placed elsewhere, but apparently that isn't allowed. which in a later edit request is exactly what I did. Mentioning my block in a completely different conversation is extremely rude and disrespectful. LordEnma8 (talk) 18:36, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

LordEmma has repeatedly been caught violating WP:PRIMARY and excessively using primary sources, removing properly sourced content on invalid grounds, using misleading edit summaries, and just generally making edits that need to be cleaned up. That said, ferret has been pretty good on addressing and cleaning up these sorts of issues. But the fact remains that there hasn't been anyone dedicated to finding and adding good quality sourcing and commentary until ReaderofthePack's efforts today. Reader, you're finding good stuff, thank you. Sergecross73 msg me 18:51, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

I looked through wikipedia policy, and i still don't see where it says that removing sourced content for things like their flow is prohibited. It is discouraged, but never prohibited LordEnma8 (talk) 18:53, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Even if things were exactly as you say (they're not) do you really not see the issue with making two "discouraged" edits directly after receiving a final warning about not making "discouraged" edits? Sergecross73 msg me 19:01, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Could you tell me where in Wikipedia policy where removing sourced content that doesnt fit with the article is prohibited? Since apparently i cant find it LordEnma8 (talk) 19:14, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

This is not the place to relitigate your block. Sergecross73 msg me 19:20, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

You're the one who mentioned me LordEnma8 (talk) 19:30, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Indeed, I was giving background information about how/why this article could use an experienced editor like ReaderofthePack to research and find better sourcing and commentary. There hasn't been much of that in the time I've had this article on my watchlist. Sergecross73 msg me 19:35, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

YandereDev

I think YandereDev deserves an article more than the game. Info about the game could be in a section in his article, but it does not quite have enough information for documentation, whereas YandereDev does. Aquaticsans (talk) 10:39, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

There's already people discussing this article's fate at a different location, so you ought to raise your arguments there at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yandere Simulator (2nd nomination). Sergecross73 msg me 13:51, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

He's not independently notable outside of the game. Coverage of him in any outlet considered even remotely reliable falls almost exclusively into two areas: the game and the grooming allegations. We cannot build an article based on the coverage from the grooming allegations because that would pose a huge BLP issue.

Even if we consider him to be a high profile person, which I'm sure some would debate, there's the question of WP:BLPCRIME. You'd have to establish a number of things, such as the impact of the accusations, the coverage, whether said coverage was extensive enough and over a long enough period of time, and so on. At this point in time the coverage was limited to a relatively brief span of time. To be honest, there's been people questioning whether or not the allegations should be mentioned in the article at all and if so, to what extent - something that is a much better question to ask here. That's a discussion for another section, however. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 16:10, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2023

In this paragraph:

Cecilia D'Anastasio, writing for Kotaku, covered the debug version in a 2017 article; they commented that the game had received criticism for "glamorizing suicide, bullying and Bipolar Disorder — allegations that I strongly agree with, despite the game’s merits as simulator for sociopathy."[13] D'Anastasio went on to interview YandereDev in the same article, who stated that the game "pivots on the archetype of an obsessed, violent stalker, rather than female stereotypes."[13]

Change "they" to "she." I don't think the mentioned person prefers to be refered to with neutral gender pronouns. Plus, on her own wikipedia page, she herslef as refered to as a "she". Therefore, and in accordance to the official English language gramatics, I think the page should refer to Cecilia with femalte pronouns rather than neutral ones. EuAmoRefriDeCola (talk) 14:11, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done by Cannolis. LordEnma8 (talk) 17:01, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2024

In the first paragraph in the development section, remove the portion that talks about the game being in "development hell", since it

1. Uses a primary source;

2. It doesn't even back up the claim that the game is in development hell; and

3. The game is still receiving updates, so I wouldn't nessesarily say that the game is in development hell LordEnma8 (talk) 15:02, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

 Done After reading the source I agree it does not verify this claim. I removed the whole sentence. Jamedeus (talk) 22:52, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 May 2024

In the lead of the page, replace the word "unfinished" with "in development" or "upcoming". As the game is still in active development, the tag "unfinished" seems a bit inappropriate and puts the point of view and neutrality of the article into question. Regardless, it should be changed to something that more accurately describes the current status of development. LordEnma8 (talk) 20:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Could you provide a source showing that it is still in development, as opposed to unfinished? The article currently states that development is on a "partial hiatus" – I don't know whether this would better fit "unfinished" or "upcoming" so you may also need to seek consensus from people more familiar with the topic than myself before this edit can be made. Irltoad (talk) 11:29, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

If you look on the game development blog, you can see that the game is still receiving updates, however that probably cannot be used on this page since it is a primary source, and im not sure if any news outlets have covered the game since September. LordEnma8 (talk) 23:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

@LordEnma8 Done. I've replaced "unfinished" with "in-development," although "upcoming" might be a better word to use.

Primary sources are not disallowed on Wikipedia; I believe that a primary source would be valid in this specific case to show that new test builds are currently being released, without needing secondary sources to report on what is obviously factual.

Speaking of obviously factual, it's uncontroversial and obviously factual that new debug builds are being released, so no source is technically required in this case; see WP:SKYISBLUE. I might still add a citation later, though, just to be safe.

(For reference, the game's blog is https://yanderedev.wordpress.com/, which regularly posts when new builds are released about 3–5 times a month.) — gabldotink [ talk | contribs | global account ] 03:39, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Reddit as sources

Sources 27 and 28 are from Reddit, citing a screenshot of a Discord messages from someone claiming to be the developer. IAW the guideline on user-generated content, these sources are unreliable. Discord messages, profile pictures, and names can be easily faked. Reddit is not a reliable source.

Ergo, the final paragraph under "Crowdfunding Campaign" about "multiple drama", as well as the sources it cites, should be removed. Unidentifiability (talk) 22:51, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Removed. I was planning to but got distracted by the recent sockpuppet issues on this page. No reliable secondary coverage was given. -- ferret (talk) 23:13, 25 July 2024 (UTC)