Talk:Whaling in the Faroe Islands

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Thorough review - September 2021

I have just completed a thorough review of this article in an effort spanning about a week. The sources have now been thoroughly vetted for link rot, dead links, duplication, incorrect formatting and missing titles. Questions about quality and neutrality may remain, but all of the links at least now lead where they are supposed to. I have also restructured the page, removed sections of duplicated material and addressed the essay-like nature of large portions of the content that were written up without any appropriate sourcing or citation. The tags pertaining to these issues have been duly removed. There is still a lot of work to be done, not least in filling the many holes in the article where citation is still either sparse or lacking. The neutrality of many of the sources may also be questionable, and I have reserved judgement on whether the article in general is neutral and left the disputed neutrality tag in place. Input from others welcome. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:10, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Whaling in the Faroe Islands/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Chiswick Chap (talk · contribs) 14:19, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Comments

What an interesting and well-written article on a sensitive subject. I have only a few comments to make.

• "these dolphin specie" -> "species"

• The term grind needs to be introduced as it is local to the Faroes; further, it seems to mean "pilot whale" and "whale meat" as well (possibly) as "whale hunt" - though that seems to be Grindadráp, literally "whale-killing" (maybe that is now slangily abbreviated to grind for the hunt? - in which case we probably should not use it), so a little cited explanation would be desirable.

• Further to the above, would it not be better just to say "whale-hunt" as the general name in English, after briefly introducing the various Faroese terms just once?

• "Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora" should be wikilinked to CITES.

• "International Whales Commission" should be "International Whaling Commission", and wikilinked.

• "The film is one minute long and caused controversy when it was released." needs a citation for the controversy.

• "and drawing criticism even from some members of the pro-whaling community," - seems to be cited in the BBC article, so please move the ref to the end of the sentence.

• "Sleppið Grindini" - I presume that means "Stop the Whale-hunt". The term should be in italics and the translation supplied in parentheses.

• "be put down" -> "lawfully be killed".

• "currently around 22–23 approved whaling drive locations". You've listed 27 of them...

• "the Faroese PM" -> "the Faroese prime minister", and I suggest you add his name and wikilink, "Bárður á Steig Nielsen".

• In ref #12, Grindabátarnir has been mistranslated as "Lattice boats". Clearly it means "Whaling boats" here. The original Faroese title should be provided as well as the English translation.

• Could you please provide a trans-title= parameter with English translation of every Faroese article title used in the references.

Summary

OK, that's about it from me. The needed fixes are very minor and shouldn't take long. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:37, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

That's looking great. It's a GA. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:16, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

@Chiswick Chap: Thanks for taking the time to conduct this GA review, for your useful and helpful comments (trans-titles were a new discovery for me) and for helping to give me the shove I needed to go through the piece and standardise the terminology, which admittedly was somewhat variable - couldn't quite decide whether to push it towards common terms or local slang. I'm glad to hear that I am generally pushing the boulder up the slope in the right direction. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:41, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 08:56, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that the practice of whaling in the Faroe Islands dates back to the early days of Norse settlement during the Viking Era? [1]
  • ALT1: ... that traditional whale hunters in the Faroes Islands used whale skins to make fishing lines and ropes, whale stomachs to fashion fishing floats and other body parts to make items such as shoes? [2]
  • ALT2: ... that whale hunts in the Faroe Islands were once celebrated with a traditional cultural dance known as the "grindadansur"? [3]

Created/expanded by Iskandar323 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:30, 9 November 2021 (UTC).

• General eligibility:

• New enough:
• Long enough:
• Other problems:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - Earwig is picking up some similarities that I'm not quite comfortable with, but they should be easily resolved with some paraphrasing. See here.

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: Just need the plagiarism issue resolved and a QPQ added. Oh, also, for ALT0 – shouldn't the link use in rather than on, since the whaling takes place in the place but (I assume) not on the islands themselves? ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 04:23, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

• Comment I don't really see the plagiarism. The tool itself self "violation unlikely" and many of the similarities are either organisation names, titles or string of words that might reasonably be expected to organically emerge. As far as I am aware, the Animal Fund has never been used as a source (I've certainly never seen it), and I think a slightly more likely explanation is that the Animal Fund has, at some point in the past, used some material from Wikipedia. Bear in mind this web page is not an article or feature, but a simple web page (with bullet points) plugging an advocacy organisation. It makes no claim to be original prose from or authored by the Animal Fund. Its source is entirely unknown. The vast majority of the Wikipedia article is taken from published books, journals, other documents and, where absolutely necessary, some Faroese and Danish language websites, but certainly not from English language advocacy websites, except for some very limited, news-related content from reliable sources. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:21, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
• Question When I follow the QPQ link, I see that it says if you have fewer than 5 DYK credits (I have none) then you are exempt from the QPQ - is this still the policy? I'm happy to help in future, but at the moment, I frankly barely understand all of these DYK templates etc. enough in order to help. I think I would need to see how the whole process works at least once before I can properly get involved and lend a hand. It is both my first GA and DYK nomination. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:21, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

• Approved per the responses above! Good job, Iskandar323. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 17:53, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

ALT0 to T:DYK/P1

Worth a shot at FA?

Hi @Chiswick Chap: I recently encountered this thread at the village pump with various individuals bemoaning the lack of variety at TFA, which got me thinking: might it be worth trying to take this article to the next level? I then checked the criteria and realised that, thoroughness aside, the criteria are not so very different and might be attainable. But I thought I might ping you for your thoughts first, since you know the content, look familiar with the FA process, and might be able to give me some hints about any MOS bloopers that may currently exist. I would be grateful for your thoughts. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:33, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm certainly not an FAC pundit. It's always a lot of work and can be seriously gruelling, so everything must be completely tidy in all details. Worth a shot? That depends on you, whether you'd rather bring a dozen topics to GA or spend the time polishing just the one doorknob Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:32, 15 July 2022 (UTC)