Talk:Wensleydale Railway

Couple of errors in Route Map

I believe that there are a couple of errors in the Route Map: 1. Section between Leeming Bar and Northallerton should not be marked as "Not in use". It doesn't have a regular passenger service unlike the section between Leeming Bar and Redmire. However it is occasionally used by tank trains and occasional excursions. 2. Trains connecting between the Wensleydale Railway and the WCML actually have to make a reversal - the diagram makes it look as though this is not necessary. I don't know how to make these changes - can somebody else?Zin92 (talk) 07:10, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

On point 1, the section is shown in dark red, meaning in use, why do you think it is shown as not in use?

On point 2, the route diagram is a simplified map of the line, not a detailed map. The intention is to show that a connection exists, that a train can travel from one to the other, and not to describe the detail of now this happens. Rich257 (talk) 09:15, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Rich, the line is dark red because I changed it minutes ago. The diagram now shows the former layout at Northallerton which was a triangle and is now rationalised to a single junction. This means that trains can run straight onto the E (not W) CML although they have to reverse to access Northallerton station, and head south on the ECML. Britmax (talk) 09:22, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I looked at the page history before commenting, but of course the route diagram is a template. Rich257 (talk) 09:43, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much for making the changes. However the WR/ECML connection still looks wrong to me. I appreciate Rich257's comments that it's a simplified map not a detailed map. However I still think it's misleading. Britmax, you say that "trains can run straight onto the ECML" - I assume you mean northwards - but they can't: a train leaving the WR currently has to travel northwards a short way (parallel to the ECML) but as there's no connection to the ECML at this point, they then have to reverse into Northallerton station. I suggest it's worth getting the junction exactly right as it is quite confusing and quite key in respect of WR being able to restore regular trains between Northallerton and Leeming Bar. PS Apologies, I originally said WCML but of course it's the ECML - doh!82.4.188.109 (talk) 07:09, 20 March 2009 (UTC) Sorry, that was me making that comment. Zin92 (talk) 07:24, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

There are several plans for connecting the line to Northallerton but none of them use this north curve, instead most likely the south curve would be reinstated to run in to a bay platform at Northallerton station, or possibly a platform disconnected from the current station. There is some more information at on this page at the WR site. Rich257 (talk) 09:10, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, this is all my understanding also. Yes had already seen the link. Thank for changing the Route Map. Zin92 (talk) 18:49, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Fourth longest?

The article says "Recreation of the entire 40-mile link between Northallerton and Garsdale would make it the fourth largest heritage railway in England" - I'm sorry, but what lines are longer than that? If you add the Welsh Highand and the Ffestiniog together then maybe, but that would still only be one, and they're two separate lines. There aren't any others that long, the next is the West Somerset, which is only twenty something. Tom walker (talk) 22:24, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

The sentence has been tagged for a cite since 7 July 2009 so can go unless anyone steps up with a reference. Keith D (talk) 00:14, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Longest heritage railway in Great Britain claim.

Text claims longest heritage railway in Great Britain, however using the same criteria for both, the West Somerset Railway seems to be longer by 1km. 2ghoti (talk) 17:35, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

List of stations and halts - delete or improve?

This section currently reads poorly, is formatted pretty poorly and I'm not sure of the accuracy of some of the claims (and there are no references). Can somebody improve it? Or should we just delete it? Zin92 (talk) 21:21, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

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Liverpool, Manchester & Newcastle-upon-Tyne Junction Company

Tomlinson p. 480 (which is were the ref 1 link takes you) only states this railway was given permission to build the railway. I can't find in Tomlinson who opened it; however I wrote in York, Newcastle and Berwick Railway that, according to Hoole, the GNER had permission, and opened to Bedale in 1848 (contradicting this article). I'm on the road at the moment and without my book, so I'll have a look at the weekend. Edgepedia (talk) 08:16, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Butt (1995) gives owning company at the time of opening for each station.

• For Ainderby, Scruton and Leeming Bar he shows "OP 6 March 1848 YN&B", i.e. opened on 6 March 1848 by the York, Newcastle and Berwick Railway
• for Bedale he shows "OP 1 February 1855 (YN&B)" - here, the parenthesis denotes that the YN&B had lost its identity before that station opened; the heading for the entry shows "NE", so the station was opened by the North Eastern Railway
• for Crakehall, Jervaulx, Finghall, Constable Burton, Spennithorne and Leyburn he shows "OP 19 May 1856 Bdle&Lbn", i.e. opened by the Bedale and Leyburn Railway
• for Wensley, Redmire, Aysgarth and Askrigg he shows "OP 1 February 1878"; no company is shown, so that on the heading for the entry is the applicable one, which is "NE"; i.e. these were opened by the North Eastern Railway
• for Hawes he shows "OP 1 October 1878", but in this case the heading shows "Mid/NE", which indicates that the station was jointly owned by the Midland Railway and the North Eastern Railway.

Butt doesn't always show companies that lost their identity (whether by amalgamation or absorption) before any of their lines were opened. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:26, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Redrose, I've just been looking at Tomlinson and he's just as infuriating. The LM&NJR is mentioned in passing on p. 488, but on p. 492-3 he says the same as Butt, the YN&BR opened the 'Bedale branch' to Leeming Lane (5+1⁄2 miles) on 6 March 1848.

This is complex, so I suggest the 'built by' line be removed from the infobox. Edgepedia (talk) 17:45, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

I was wondering what is was called as Wensleydale Railway is just the name of the heritage railway; [1] says Hawes branch, which rings bells for me. Edgepedia (talk) 17:57, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

The LM&NJR had permission for a different line that failed to open. I've added my research into the article and tidied it up a little; I'll see what Hoole says at the weekend. Edgepedia (talk) 19:07, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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. Requires addition of inline references using one of the {{Cite}} templates Requires infobox Requires route diagram Mixture of links to places and stations needs to be addressed - probably all should go to stations in the line description section Requires some photographs Copy-edit for WP:MOS Keith D 14:29, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 14:29, 23 October 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 10:23, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Restoration

1. Re "short term plan is to extend some 0.75 miles to a brand new station serving Castle Bolton. This has been costed at £2 million, and is listed in a five year plan, so should be operational by 2025." Isn't "should" a bit strong? Just because it's in a 5-year plan, given the need to raise £2million, I would have thought that being operational by 2025 is optimistic.

2. Re "The missing bridge that used to span Apedale Beck to the west of Redmire station, will be replaced by a redundant bridge from the Catterick branch line, that was removed during the A1 to A1(M) upgrade in 2015", agreed that this was the plan. However whilst the bridge was stored in Redmire station car park for a while, it has now been dismantled and scrapped. Hence there's no possibility that it will be used to span Apedale Beck. Sorry but I can't find a source for this.

Thanks Zin92 (talk) 08:04, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

I have made changes in respect of the above two points. Zin92 (talk) 06:24, 5 March 2020 (UTC)