Talk:Vultures 2

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October 7, 2024	Good article nominee	Listed
October 27, 2024	Good topic candidate	Promoted

Current status: Good article

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May 3rd date

Should we really list a source that described itself as "potentially misleading." I think we should hold off on putting ANY release date here unless Ye or Ty Dolla's team confirm any dates or they themselves decide on a date AND confirm it themselves. skelter (talk) 22:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 19 March 2024

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change "who is currently serving a life sentence for a murder he he did not commit." to "who is currently serving a life sentence for a murder he allegedly did not commit." Crinkel (talk) 00:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DrowssapSMM 01:36, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Remove the grammatical error “murder he he did not commit” in the Cover art section of the page. 2601:642:C400:3AD:F024:2447:5186:D791 (talk) 00:29, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Thank you, - FlightTime (open channel) 00:34, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DRAFTIFY

I believe that this article fails WP:FUTUREALBUMS which states that "An article about a near-future but not yet released album qualifies for inclusion if critical information about that album has been confirmed in reliable sources. This must include the title, cover image, release date, track listing, and other critical information as required in an album article. A separate article should not be created until such information is available and confirmed by the musician and/or their record label, and reported upon by reliable sources." It does not say it must include title or cover image but title and cover image, meaning this page is few elements away from completion. Artists, Ye, Ty Dolla Sign and ¥$ did not release the track listing, references on this article only cites speculations from fans on social media and the release date was not announced also. dxneo (talk) 00:32, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone check the track listing?

Some of the songs listed are either unable to be found or contain inaccuracies. For instance, the song ‘Model’ (also unable to be found) has been incorrectly attributed to featuring BotMert and Orpheus, who are likely not involved. Merescooky (talk) 02:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tracklisting

We should remove the tracklist, they are just rumors and news about features not the actual features on the album Addictedtoanime122 (talk) 03:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

August 2

Kanye's YZY website currently announces that it will come on august 2nd. https://yeezy.com 72.94.150.61 (talk) 15:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cover

Just because its a single dosent mean its the album cover, can someone change it Addictedtoanime122 (talk) 04:37, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SLIDE Isn't on all streaming

SLIDE was only released on Spotify and Kanye's yzy.com Iizan (talk) 06:41, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

James Blake did not contribute to the album

The page lists incorrectly the following as producers: Fya Man, Gren808, James Blake and Lamm, none of them contributed to the album or even if they did, they are not mentioned in the official credits. 177.240.121.99 (talk) 19:10, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Critical reception, #1 debut and genre(s)

The genre section should be blank until an official critic or a review comes out listing those, the albums and many songs of it are already #1 on Apple music and this information should be already provided in the page, as well as some reviews have already been made by bloggers, critics and websites. 177.240.121.99 (talk) 19:13, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Allegations of AI usage / Controversy Section

The entire section of controversies and allegations of AI use is complete speculation, and gives no backing or real examples. It goes as far as just stating as if fact that this and that verse are AI from this and that song.

The article linked and the conclusion taken from it are also completely different. The article makes no claims and just shows some random people on the internet speculating on the idea. The conclusion acts as if its proof of an allegation of AI and runs on saying it as if fact.

As well the entire next paragraph is just plainly false. There's no indication anywhere that they are making fixes *because* of the AI allegations. And if we are to act on assumptions it'd be more rational to assume its to fix mixing issues like the changes made after Volume 1 was released.

The section should be reduced to simply addressing that there are some allegations and speculations, and for specific songs, but definitely shouldn't allude to it as a fact as it is currently. Until there is at least hard evidence.

And the reasons for fixing shouldn't necessarily be elaborated on, or at least pinned to a more rational (and precedented) reason. RockyDerFailure (talk) 20:07, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I agree, we shouldnt just use sources that say it uses ai without actually ye saying it Addictedtoanime122 (talk) 00:18, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We don't need Ye to say it, he wasn't the only person to work on the album, though there's no official confirmation- there is firm evidence that ai was utilized in at LEAST two songs on the album (FIELD TRIP and SKY CITY) also, many updates to the album updated the mixes on vocals that were suspected to be ai Cringe AG (talk) 15:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ok, ok thank you for clarifying i appreciate it a lot Addictedtoanime122 (talk) 01:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Producers disinformation

The page lists James Blake as a producer of the album, this information most likely comes from Genius, however unreliable without refenrece not credibility as he is not listed on the official credits, the same goes to the names of Fya Man, Gren808 and Lamm being credited on the page. Stop the disinformation. 177.240.121.99 (talk) 23:14, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced genres

The genres category lists hip hop, R&B and trap, while this might be the case, the information is unsourced thus making it not official and unreliable. Only list genres when official sources are available with its proper references. 177.240.121.99 (talk) 23:24, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Album cover

While the album cover was revealed through social media months before the album was released, the one featured on the page is not the the official one the album was released with, and the “Cover” section on the page does not explain this thoroughly, this needs to be updated and properly referenced. 177.240.121.99 (talk) 01:11, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Recorded*

The recording of some songs dates back to 2018, SKY CITY was recorded for the unreleased Yandhi/Jesus Is King, MY SOUL was recorded for Donda, and 530 was recorded for Donda 2. Therefore the *recorded section in the info box depicting 2023–2024 is incorrect and unreferenced, as it should be 2018-2024 and properly referenced. 2806:262:496:852A:E187:C8CE:C4CB:5A45 (talk) 21:32, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now with CAN U BE being released, the production of this album dates back to 2016, 2018, 2022, until the present 2024, this information needs to be implemented in the page. 177.240.121.99 (talk) 13:47, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Producers list and credits

In the album info box at the producers section Scott Bridgeway is missing, however Fya Man, Lamm and Gren808 are still there, having no official credits in the album. 177.240.121.99 (talk) 13:20, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With the bonus tracks being now released, not only Scott Bridgeway needs to be added as a producer in the page, but also JPEGMafia, Adam Vadel, Veyis and Havoc, meanwhile Fya Man, Gren808 and Lamm should not be listed as they are not officially credited, thus not being part of the project/album. 177.240.121.99 (talk) 13:52, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add "Believer", "Drunk", and "Gun to my Head" to the track listing

The newest tracks: "Believer", "Drunk", and "Gun to my Head", need to be added to the Track listing section with their proper information such as title, writers, producers and length. 177.240.121.99 (talk) 18:56, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Features

Where are the features sourced from and how are they distinguished? Csg95 (talk) 17:02, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. dxneo (talk) 21:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Vultures 2/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Kyle Peake (talk · contribs) 15:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Dxneo (talk · contribs) 00:35, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm tackling this review. I just went through the whole article and this is really such a good piece which I'd actually pass right away. However, I have a few minor suggestions. Oh, please consider reviewing "Truth or Dare". dxneo (talk) 00:35, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dxneo Thanks a lot for this review, I would be willing to take on your article sometime this week as I don't have a lot on my plate! --K. Peake 19:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much. dxneo (talk) 21:10, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

I think it's better to describe what the album is about before name dropping the producers and collaborators. What do you think? dxneo (talk) 00:35, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done it is common in music articles for the people who worked on the album/song to be mentioned before what the subject discusses in itself --K. Peake 19:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Music and themes

It features a raw style, including prominent synths. Multiple publications noted the album's unfinished sound, comparing its songs to demotapes. — keep WP:REFBOMB to a minimum. dxneo (talk) 00:35, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done --K. Peake 19:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

post-release updates

For the first update on August 6, 2024, "River" received a new mix and drums, with sound effects removed too. "530" was provided with altered sound effects and some distorted vocals, adding Ty Dolla Sign. "Fried" had a new mix and seemingly unmastered ad-libs, while "Field Trip", "Sky City", and Dead" — this is cited to references and there are periods in between the sentences, so I thought maybe you could put a reference after each sentence. Thoughts? dxneo (talk) 00:35, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: since the ref group at the end back up this information throughout, I think re-invoking would class as WP:OVERCITE. --K. Peake 19:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What about WP:REFBOMB? dxneo (talk) 21:10, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Media

All is well here. dxneo (talk) 00:35, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Personnel

Am I missing something or there are no credits here? dxneo (talk) 00:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: West has not disclosed the full credits for this release much like Vultures 1, only offering the writers and producers. --K. Peake 19:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, I also can't find anything on Apple Music 😳 However, as we all know, information in the infobox must be fairly referenced in the body of the article. So how do we move about this? dxneo (talk) 21:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe put a source at the end of the list (infobox)? Thoughts? dxneo (talk) 21:09, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, I can actually see songwriters here, and it says the information was abducted from Tidal. I think this checks out Y dxneo (talk) 21:14, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright vio

Violation unlikely as Earwig finds 16% similarity. dxneo (talk) 00:35, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.