Talk:Vittore Carpaccio

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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 12:30, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

TerminArtors external link

I have included the following external link to this page: „Carpaccio's paintings on TerminArtors”. The linked page displays 78 categorized paintings of the Italian master (as of Oct 10, 2007). TerminArtors is a community based paintings gallery. Abenhakan 21:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Albania

I have removed the Albanian project, as the Albanian correction (2nd or 3rd generation at best) is only referenced to a blog, which doesn't actuially give the detail in the article (which I will leave for now). It's pretty dubious that no non-Albanian sources seem to support this. Johnbod (talk) 17:20, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Re-entered the Albanian wikiproject: that wikiproject covers all ethnic Albanians. The reference of Carpaccio having both Albanian parents is not from a blog, but from Arte e Cultura, a reliable source. Carpaccio was a citizen of the Republic of Venice, that's it. That country had a lot of ethnicities. The link is from a website where the article is copy pasted and can be read from Wikipedia users, and there is nothing wrong with that, but if you are concerned, you can remove the link: it will just be more difficult for the reader though. If you have a problem with the source Arte e Cultura journal, please bring your concern to the appropriate forum. Perkohesisht ai i vjetri (talk) 18:14, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

The problem is the linked text doesn't actually say "according to historian Mikel Prenushi his parents were Albanian from Korçë" or similar - it just vaguely mentions Albanian roots. Johnbod (talk) 01:48, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

It actually says just that, so I provided a quote within the citation to make it clearer (I gave both the original version in Italian, and also a translation in English): the quote is in the article itself, in Italian. Since I can't see other international scholars making the claim of him being an Albanian, I think it makes sense to keep Prenushi being mentioned in the article. --Perkohesisht ai i vjetri (talk) 02:09, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Ok, I didn't see it went beyond the first screen. I'll leave it for now, but it frankly seems suspicious there are no further references anywhere 12 years after this one. Johnbod (talk) 02:16, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

I found a second English source, by Ferid Hudhri, an arts historian: quoting "They set up there their own school, which they called “Scuola degli Albanesi” (School of the Albanians). Their textbooks were the works of the Albanian Humanists:Marin Beçikemi (1468-1528) and Marin Barleti (1460-1512). The most renowned painters were Mark Basaiti (1496-1530) and Viktor Karpaci (1465-1525). Some international academics have referred to them and their Albanian descent." A full view of that part of the book is linked here. I referenced with googlebooks and provided a full quote in the meantime in the article.--Perkohesisht ai i vjetri (talk) 21:04, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

A quick Google search of supposed "Viktor Karpaçi" yields only 413 results, and the bulk of those results seem to be comprised of blogs, message board discussions, and circulations of the same few articles. This is not a theory with enough currency for inclusion in this article. The research on Carpaccio's Venetian origins seems quite thorough and established. See "The Life and Works of Vittorio Carpaccio" by Pompeo Molmenti and Gustav Ludwig et al. Chapter 2 on page 16 is where the relevant passage begins. Here is a link: https://www.questia.com/read/30520094/the-life-and-works-of-vittorio-carpaccio 24.22.91.172 (talk) 20:59, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

That's a 1907 book, about as useful as an Albanian blog, frankly. Johnbod (talk) 00:25, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Beef Carpaccio

Not one word about the story that he's the inspiration for the name of this dish? I'd put something in the article but the blatant silence makes me distrust it. We should probably develop some provenance. 68.2.235.85 (talk) 18:51, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Found it. 68.2.235.85 (talk) 19:13, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Decided it doesn't fit the page, so I just added a See Also pointing to the food's page and, er, beefed up the ref there... 68.2.235.85 (talk) 19:17, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: The Year 1500 - A Global History of Art and Architecture

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 2 September 2022 and 13 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): ThelisFakes, Julestux, Salemdancer, Keiko12 (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by DrMedRenArtHistory (talk) 16:08, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

So, the student editors appear to have finished their project. The page has been transformed from an encyclopaedia article (with many defects, particularly the paucity of citations) into a sort of student essay rich in WP:OR and value judgements ("An interesting stylistic choice in Carpaccio's oeuvre includes that fact ..."), with the result that essentially the whole thing now needs to be rewritten. I'm inclined to simply revert to this revision, listing the newly-added references in Further reading for now, so that anyone with the inclination can use them in the page. Ceoil, Johnbod, you've recently made some corrections, what are your thoughts on that? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:19, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

I don't think it's that bad, though certainly some of the phrasing is inept. Perhaps User:DrMedRenArtHistory, the course tutor (one of very few who actually try to buff up their student's work) could give it a going over again. If I had to choose, I'd keep it as it is. The previous version had a lot of EB 1911. Johnbod (talk) 15:46, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

I have done an initial edit for tone and and phrasing; will revisit in the next few days as new scholarship has been found. I will update accordingly. DrMedRenArtHistory (talk) 19:53, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Johnbod for the support. The students found and used academic sources to improve the page; they did not do any original research. I will go through and edit the page to improve the tone and phrasing. Some of the sections may appear to be by my students when in fact they copied parts into their sandbox from the original page where in turn they actually made no corrections and then accidentally pasted them back into the original article although they were asked to be especially cognizant of this issue (only paste in new, additional work). DrMedRenArtHistory (talk) 15:59, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Missing in the index

A search for “Carpaccio” does not bring up this article (only the food). i don’t know how to fix that aspect. Chipotle (talk) 22:09, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

No, but he has a hatnote at the food. Johnbod (talk) 22:48, 16 January 2023 (UTC)