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On 24 February 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Vileyka to Vilyeyka. The result of the discussion was moved.

On 3 September 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Vilyeyka to Vileyka. The result of the discussion was moved.

Number of people massacred

Hi user:Figure19, in 2010 you added that "15,000 civilians, including 6,972 Jewish people" were killed during the German occupation of Vileyka. I wanted to add this to the German-language Wikipedia, but the source linked (which was added later) only mentions the 6,972, but not 15,000. What is your source for that higher number? Regards, --Metrophil (talk) 19:22, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's my fault I didn't specify the source, and I'm not sure now where I took this from 10 years ago. Seamingly, it was the corresponding article in Russian wiki: "The Nazi invaders during the war has murdered more than 15 thousand civilians in the district, including 5 villages completely burned along with population." As you can see, the statement is not about Vileyka itself, but Vileyka District (created in 1946), and it does not refer to any sources also. I've inserted request for a source in ru-wiki, let's see. --Figure19 (talk) 14:56, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 February 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – Hilst [talk] 14:26, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vileyka → Vilyeyka
Vileyka District → Vilyeyka District

– Per WP:BELARUSIANNAMES. The letter "е" in "Вілейка" should be romanized as "ye" according to BGN/PCGN romanization of Belarusian, therefore it should be "Vilyeyka". There is also no clear common name for this settlement, and WP:BELARUSIANNAMES instructs us to follow BGN/PCGN romanization in that case. Mellk (talk) 02:40, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 3 September 2024

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Vileyka. Not a lot of participation after a lot of time has passed, but from the discussion that has taken place I get the sense there's a reasonsable body of evidence that Vileyka is the most recent common name and the lone opposition voice is not a strong one. The previous title Vilyeyka doesn't seem to have a lot of evidence supporting it other than as a "default" per WP:BELARUSIANNAMES. — Amakuru (talk) 13:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vilyeyka → Vileika – WP:COMMONNAME: most common English name, which any general-purpose rules cannot trump. google ngram does not see 'Vilyeyka' in books at all --Altenmann >talk 21:40, 3 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 17:02, 11 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans 08:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. If it is argued that a common name exists, then this probably would be Vileika. See for example Google Scholar.[1][2] But the town is fairly obscure in English-language sources to have a common name, hence why this argument is typically only used for regional capitals (compare for example Mogilev with 25,000 results). Mellk (talk) 22:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well,google ngram does say that 'Vileika' does beat Vileyka with the exception of recent times since Wikipedia started (Why this would be so? :-). So I am changing my target title. Sorry it didnt come to my mind to check earlier. --Altenmann >talk 22:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am still not sure, if we disregarded WP:BELARUSIANNAMES and simply judged by Ngram then this would require moving nearly all articles, e.g. Baranavichy,[3] Salihorsk,[4] Maladzyechna,[5] and so on. Mellk (talk) 23:28, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A ngram is an indicator which English name is more common. Contrary to your opinion, Vileyka is not that obscure place. and does have reasonable level of occurrence in English texts. And I am not against moving many pages exactly such as Baranavichy, but I am not that level of fanaticism of Danzig/Gdansk or Kyiv/Kiev level. It is just the spelling "Vilyeyka" strikes me as really weird. --Altenmann >talk 02:51, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, one more, if the place is really obscure, then most certainly the official Belarusian rule for geographic naming must be applied. --Altenmann >talk 02:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is not how I interpreted WP:BELARUSIANNAMES, but if you wish to move this article, then it would also make sense to request to move Vilyeyka District as well. Mellk (talk) 05:43, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You interpreted it correctly: one has to distinguish Вилэйка and Вилейка (a hypothetical example: there is no Вилэйка). But I am talking about common English name. A am wondering how to tell Вилейка from Вильейка and Вилъейка in English (real example: село Подъемное; gogle say village Pod'emnoe). --Altenmann >talk 18:54, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If both Vileyka and Vileika are fairly close, then can we say that there is one single common name? Mellk (talk) 06:24, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Belarus, WikiProject Military history, and WikiProject Cities have been notified of this discussion. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:27, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Resetting. It seems that the choice is between Vileyka and Vileika. Ngram shows

in 19th century Vileika dominated, with Vileyka almost invisible
There was a weird peak around 1920 for Vileika; I guess due to coverage of Polish-Soviet War
During 1930-2016 they wew about the same
Since 2017 Vileyka started beating Vileika, and in 2022 it beats by more than 2x. As I suggested probably due to wikipedia :-) because in Wikipedia vast majority articles use spelling Vileyka.

Therefore I suggest a quick poll: 'i' vs 'y' . --Altenmann >talk 03:25, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vileyka --Altenmann >talk 03:25, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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